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#60078 - 01/17/09 04:46 PM Re: SOCK PUPPET ALERT: Essex, Yamaha, Charles Walter
Ken Knapp Offline



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FYI everyone, I've had some talk with Frank through PM's and I am sure he will comment directly or through me as soon as he can.

Turandot, as far as the personal info goes, I can't remember if I gave PW personal info when I signed up or not. Maybe I did.. But I don't see anyone's personal info, maybe it's there and only Frank can see it.

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#60079 - 01/17/09 05:40 PM Re: SOCK PUPPET ALERT: Essex, Yamaha, Charles Walter
Steve Cohen Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by turandot:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Supply:
I must say it surprises me very much to hear that a Loya Jirga has to be called in so that the Council of Grand Poohbas can discuss whether or not anything should be done when someone has been caught, and has admitted to, breaking the most basic rules here.

Is there no precedent, no MO? Nothing in place? No exit plan????
How long do you have to deliberate a drop kick?

Deliberation to me underscores that maybe, just maybe, there is a chance of breaking all the rules in the book and getting away with it.

Back to reason for a moment:
I think the least that should happen during the deliberations is a suspension of forum privileges of the party who pleaded guilty. This thread has seen too much attack and counter-attack already. Put an end to it, I say. [/b]
This is it in a nutshell. The admission of guilt was the time to put the muzzle on pianomadam until a decision could be reached. It would not have completely eliminated the bloodlust, but it would have controlled the frenzy. Keeping her under wraps would also have prevented her from making the worst possible strategic decision: to launch a counterattack.

The thought that this might be decided by a show of member vitriol has caused me to personally question if I want to post in the piano forum at all. The obvious virtue and exalted high moral standards of some of the membership seem completely out of whack with the everyday world in which I live. The possibility that there is no precedent to guide a swift decision and that options might include everything from getting out of jail free to outright expulsion is the reason I am so concerned with mob mentaility. If nothing firm and fixed applies, then overcooked emotions might fill the void.

If madam's violation means termination according to the rules, I see no problem with it. Nor does she. In this thread she is on the record saying that she would deserve it. What she does not deserve is to be left twisting in the wind to suffer further humiliation while the poohbahs find an option which will satisfy the masses. [/b]
Frank's opinion matters significantly. Frank is the only one who has the authority to ban someone.

FRANK IS AT NAMM!!!!!!

Let me repeat...FRANK IS AT NAMM.

His has MUCH more pressing matters to attend.

Perhaps just a litle patience....
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#60080 - 01/17/09 06:28 PM Re: SOCK PUPPET ALERT: Essex, Yamaha, Charles Walter
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[QUOTEoriginally posted by Lilylady
]I can't even plough through the last one...expecting the same things you have said previously...
[/QUOTE]

Change of pace caught you off guard huh?

Well, you know, I always read Adrian's posts very carefully, and interest in this thread has seemed to flag. Bearing in mind Adrian's opinion that entertainment value is key, I just figured that a new controversy would keep the ratings high until the poohbahs got a chance to see the overnight Neilsons. \:D

It was fun taking a run at Adrian, and he certainly would agree that it's for a good cause...to put fresh meat on the table. \:D He can get me back in the morning and serve me up as a roast duckling. Lord knows how long sideshows may be needed to keep people from changing the channel. Anyone you want to take a swipe at? Now's the time! \:D A Free-for-all would probably set a new high in page views.
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#60081 - 01/17/09 06:36 PM Re: SOCK PUPPET ALERT: Essex, Yamaha, Charles Walter
Ken Knapp Offline



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Steve is right. We're all guests here, and while there is nothing wrong with making suggestions, it's discourteous to him to start making them sound like demands.

Ken
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#60082 - 01/17/09 07:58 PM Re: SOCK PUPPET ALERT: Essex, Yamaha, Charles Walter
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 Quote:
Originally posted by turandot:
[QUOTEoriginally posted by Lilylady
]I can't even plough through the last one...expecting the same things you have said previously...
Change of pace caught you off guard huh?

Well, you know, I always read Adrian's posts very carefully, and interest in this thread has seemed to flag. Bearing in mind Adrian's opinion that entertainment value is key, I just figured that a new controversy would keep the ratings high until the poohbahs got a chance to see the overnight Neilsons. \:D

It was fun taking a run at Adrian, and he certainly would agree that it's for a good cause...to put fresh meat on the table. \:D He can get me back in the morning and serve me up as a roast duckling. Lord knows how long sideshows may be needed to keep people from changing the channel. Anyone you want to take a swipe at? Now's the time! \:D A Free-for-all would probably set a new high in page views. [/b][/QUOTE]Makes me want to buy stock in Piano World. ;\)
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#60083 - 01/17/09 08:39 PM Re: SOCK PUPPET ALERT: Essex, Yamaha, Charles Walter
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Registered: 09/22/08
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You didn't say whether you've bought a piano before, so ... in case you haven't ... let me add this:

Prices are negotiable. Don't ever expect to pay the dealer's asking price. Work the price.

(I'm guessing that recessionary times are the best for buying expensive items, like pianos. Sales are down and the buyer are well positioned to work a good deal.)

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#60084 - 01/17/09 09:41 PM Re: SOCK PUPPET ALERT: Essex, Yamaha, Charles Walter
Jeff Bauer Offline
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erm... L Horwinkle... you might consider reading past the first post to see what others have already said. You may reconsider your position ;\)
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#60085 - 01/17/09 09:55 PM Re: SOCK PUPPET ALERT: Essex, Yamaha, Charles Walter
Piano*Dad Offline
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Originally posted by Jeff Bauer:
erm... L Horwinkle... you might consider reading past the first post to see what others have already said. You may reconsider your position ;\) [/b]
:D


We even had Ken change the title of the thread to help prevent this. Whaddya gotta do?
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#60086 - 01/17/09 10:50 PM Re: SOCK PUPPET ALERT: Essex, Yamaha, Charles Walter
Ken Knapp Offline



Registered: 04/18/06
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Hmmmmmmmm...

Well, someone did mention the other day that there hadn't been a locked thread in a while.. \:D

Ken
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