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#599576 - 03/29/07 11:10 AM Hand Span
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Mine are only an octave, but my teacher can do a 13th!

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#599577 - 03/29/07 11:29 AM Re: Hand Span
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Octave here too...
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#599578 - 03/29/07 11:37 AM Re: Hand Span
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11th here.. what's the point of this topic? Everyone is going to say how big their hands are??

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#599579 - 03/29/07 12:43 PM Re: Hand Span
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Mine are only an octave, but my teacher can do a 13th![/b]
From C to A of the next octave??
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#599580 - 03/29/07 12:55 PM Re: Hand Span
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I have a 10th.

I don't have to roll the ending of the Bartok Op. 14 suite. \:D
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#599581 - 03/29/07 12:55 PM Re: Hand Span
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I can do C to E. General body proportion might have something to do with it. I'm 6'1", which is taller than average I think (at least for Chinese).

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#599582 - 03/29/07 01:00 PM Re: Hand Span
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10th here too. I can take the opening chords of the Rach 2 without breaking them, though it is a "stretch", so to speak. \:D
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#599583 - 03/29/07 01:02 PM Re: Hand Span
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Registered: 12/09/06
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If a person says that he can reach a 10th, does this mean on the top of the keys or the side of the keys?

I can't imagine how big of a hand would be required to reach a 13th!

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#599584 - 03/29/07 01:06 PM Re: Hand Span
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 Quote:
Originally posted by remline:
If a person says that he can reach a 10th, does this mean on the top of the keys or the side of the keys?[/b]
To me, it means you can play the interval reliably at whatever tempo and dynamic level you want without sounding the adjacent notes.
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#599585 - 03/29/07 01:20 PM Re: Hand Span
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 Quote:
Originally posted by packa:
To me, it means you can play the interval reliably at whatever tempo and dynamic level you want without sounding the adjacent notes.
Exactly. Playing the opening of the Rach 2 with unbroken chords would be just too risky for me in performance. (For musical reasons, they should be broken anyway, IMO.) My hands aren't that[/b] big. Whilst I can take a 10th with either hands at slow speed, they have to be broken at higher speeds.
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#599586 - 03/29/07 01:30 PM Re: Hand Span
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I would say from C to ?? 5'6" and one octave only.
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#599587 - 03/29/07 03:13 PM Re: Hand Span
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I'm glad I have no difficulty playing big spans, jumps etc.. Rach 2 unbroken chords are easy thank god.

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#599588 - 03/29/07 05:41 PM Re: Hand Span
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I can just scrape a very stretched 10th - certainly couldn't play a series of 10ths without adding an unintentional 9th or two ;\)

Watching someone like Marcus Roberts at the keyboard consumes me with jealousy - his hands give the impression that he's playing on a miniature keyboard. I reckon he could easily stretch two octaves - seeing him play an octave with thumb and 4th finger coming down perpendicular to the keybed made me do a double-take. That can't be an octave!



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#599589 - 03/29/07 06:01 PM Re: Hand Span
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 Quote:
Originally posted by argerichfan:
(For musical reasons, they should be broken anyway, IMO.) [/b]
*cough cough* .. no :rolleyes:

IMO :p

;\)

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#599590 - 03/29/07 06:10 PM Re: Hand Span
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Bassio:
 Quote:
Originally posted by argerichfan:
(For musical reasons, they should be broken anyway, IMO.)
*cough cough* .. no :rolleyes:

IMO :p

;\)
You should start a thread about that and watch all hell break loose! \:D \:D
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#599591 - 03/29/07 06:45 PM Re: Hand Span
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NEWS FLASH!!! I've grown! My parents and friends can agree that I have been getting taller. \:D Yesterday I noticed... HEY I can stretch a 9th! I'm not just c to shining c anymore! I'm c to shining d!!!

I love the fact that I am still growing \:D

Matt

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#599592 - 03/29/07 06:58 PM Re: Hand Span
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Debussy20:
NEWS FLASH!!! I've grown! My parents and friends can agree that I have been getting taller. \:D Yesterday I noticed... HEY I can stretch a 9th! I'm not just c to shining c anymore! I'm c to shining d!!!

I love the fact that I am still growing \:D

Matt [/b]
hey Debussy great .. did you discover this yesterday?? ;\)

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#599593 - 03/29/07 07:00 PM Re: Hand Span
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 Quote:
Originally posted by argerichfan:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Bassio:
 Quote:
Originally posted by argerichfan:
(For musical reasons, they should be broken anyway, IMO.)
*cough cough* .. no :rolleyes:

IMO :p

;\)
You should start a thread about that and watch all hell break loose! \:D \:D [/b]
Gather your gang .. and I'll gather mine

(tip: let us open a poll on it, a kind of yes/no poll .. and see who will pull this thing )

And remember it was you against me in the first place

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#599594 - 03/29/07 07:13 PM Re: Hand Span
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I can stretch an 11th in both hands but can't just put one down without splashing a few notes.

I love playing the Franck Violin Sonata and the Prelude, Chorale, et Fugue. Tenths galore. \:\)
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#599595 - 03/29/07 07:21 PM Re: Hand Span
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Brendan:

I love playing the Franck Prelude, Chorale, et Fugue. Tenths galore. \:\)
Not to mention Franck's Prelude, Aria et Final. 12ths galore. \:\)
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#599596 - 03/29/07 07:27 PM Re: Hand Span
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 Quote:
Originally posted by argerichfan:
Not to mention Franck's Prelude, Aria et Final. 12ths galore. \:\) [/b]
Indeed, and what an underrated piece! I've been meaning to get to it for a few years now. In some ways I find it more musically satisfying than the PCF.
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#599597 - 03/29/07 07:52 PM Re: Hand Span
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Brendan:
Indeed, and what an underrated piece! I've been meaning to get to it for a few years now. In some ways I find it more musically satisfying than the PCF.
I totally agree with you! For the life of me, I cannot understand why this magnificent triptych is so seldom played. Someday I would love to tackle it, though I don't really have the hands for it. I did learn the PCF several years back.
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#599598 - 03/29/07 08:02 PM Re: Hand Span
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Loc: SC Mountains
5'6" and a good reliable 9, sometimes a very strained 10
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#599599 - 03/29/07 09:10 PM Re: Hand Span
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Loc: Seattle
10th, 11th if really stretch hard
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#599600 - 03/30/07 09:38 AM Re: Hand Span
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11th. No idea why this is important. I have never needed more than a 10th and rarely more than an octave.
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#599601 - 03/30/07 09:42 AM Re: Hand Span
asherf Offline
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Registered: 09/09/06
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Loc: Colorado
I can reach an octave with my first and second finger.

I think I can do a tenth... but I like to think my hands still have growing to do.

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#599602 - 03/30/07 10:44 AM Re: Hand Span
Donna R. Offline
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Registered: 01/26/07
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5'1" and arthritic fingers - an octave is my limit. Fortunately that's all I've needed so far.

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#599603 - 03/30/07 11:52 AM Re: Hand Span
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Originally posted by AJB:
11th. No idea why this is important. I have never needed more than a 10th and rarely more than an octave. [/b]
Look at the chords at the beginning of the original La Campanella. I can hit tenths but I can't play those chords.
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#599604 - 03/30/07 12:12 PM Re: Hand Span
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This guy hits an 11th with ease:



I can do a tenth fairly well on black keys, quite a bit more difficult on white. I tend to think I have great piano hands, though, octaves are super natural to play.

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#599605 - 03/30/07 12:39 PM Re: Hand Span
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 Quote:
Originally posted by op30no3:
Look at the chords at the beginning of the original La Campanella. I can hit tenths but I can't play those chords.
My left hand can easily take the 10ths at the opening of Rach 2, but I cannot do those in the Ab minor version of La Campanella. (I just tried. )

From what I have read about Liszt (just covering the 10ths at the close of the slow movement of Beethoven's Opus 106 without breaking), he certainly wouldn't have managed those 10ths in La Campanella either.

Can anyone here take the left hand 10th's in the 6th Rhapsody (Presto section- measure 57) without breaking them? Argerich would seem to be doing that in her recording (which I've listened to a billion times), yet I've heard that her hands are not particularly large. She must be breaking them at supersonic speed.
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