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#605053 - 05/27/04 11:18 PM Richard Clayderman
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I didn't know who he was, and ordered a DVD of his playing from Netflix. I didn't enjoy the music very much.

According to his website, he "won a conservatory competition" at age 16, or something. Anyway, he was playing entirely easy music, stuff that an average player with several years experience can play (presumably). What's his deal, is he technically deficient or does he intentionally play simpler pieces so as not to challenge his audience, or what? He was even playing a simplified version of the slow Moonlight sonata movement, which is pretty easy in its original version. Watching him play, his body language was not that of someone who's in full control of the piano. Hard to explain, but he was watching his hands in a certain way, it didn't seem as effortless as any technically skilled pianist I've seen play.

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#605054 - 05/27/04 11:33 PM Re: Richard Clayderman
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What's his deal, is he technically deficient or does he intentionally play simpler pieces so as not to challenge his audience, or what?
He carved out a niche that he can make good money off of playing piano. He wrote/orchestrated a lot of the music he plays. So at least he is original. When you really think about it, even if you consider his pieces easy, not too many pianists have both the talent and the temperament to do that, and even fewer have the business sense to actually make money doing that. ;\)
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#605055 - 05/27/04 11:42 PM Re: Richard Clayderman
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I remember this guy from the 80's. In '84, I was surprised to see a bunch of Germans listening to him on a kibbutz, because I had seen his cheesy commercials in the US and I had assumed he was a no-name goof trying to make a quick buck.

I just checked out some samples on Amazon, and my take is that he's really awful. He makes pleasant, relaxing sounds, but you can barely hear the piano for the synths and drums, and it sounds like all he's doing is binking along with two-note chords.

I wouldn't even compare him to Liberace, who was a geek, but a geek who could play a little.

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#605056 - 05/27/04 11:45 PM Re: Richard Clayderman
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#605057 - 05/27/04 11:45 PM Re: Richard Clayderman
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That's true. I didn't mean to sound disrespectful of him; I'm mostly just curious if he plays easy stuff by choice or by necessity. I kept waiting for him to break out something even faintly virtuosic, but he never did. I must admit that I was put off by the fact that he was playing pieces written for solo piano that were pared down in difficulty and then set against the backdrop of an orchestra to make up for it. To my mind, that's not what a "pianist" does, yet he sells himself as a pianist.

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#605058 - 05/28/04 12:00 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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TP wrote: " ... he's really awful. He makes pleasant, relaxing sounds ..."
Pleasant and relaxing, yet awful! ;\) \:D
(Yeah, I know what you mean.)

A pianist[/b] is by definition a person who plays the piano. Clayderman is a legitimate pianist.

I vaguely remember he was once billed as the "Prince of Piano." That, I thought was too much.
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#605059 - 05/28/04 12:26 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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Never heard of this guy, but I'd just like to express my.... gratitude to all these pianists who put their poorly played recordings in every grocery store they can in a desperate attempt to make a hit. I once bought a CD from my local Safeway, done by some guy I had never heard of, and almost had an aneurism. He played the Moonlight Sonata (first movement, of course), and accidentaly went to E minor again after the return of the main theme (he was supposed to stay in E major), making the piece about 10 minutes long. Then he plays Mozart's Sonata K 331 in A major, and skips the last few variations (which happen to be my favorite). Thanks for wasting my time and money, communist.

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#605060 - 05/28/04 12:56 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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I guess it's a matter of what you like from Piano. I, personally got into piano only because of Clayderman; I guess I don't have quite enough knowledge about piano technique as to say if he plays well or not, but do can tell you I love the pieces he plays.

I just started playing piano like 2-3 months ago, but have already heard a bunch of different pieces on recording, ranging from the easiest Bartok miniature to those Super Hiper Mega Virtuoso Freak songs. And, to tell you the truth, most of the times I prefer to hear the easier ones.

It's the same as when I was into electric guitar. I had cd's by both Satriani and Vai. Vai plays freaking virtuosic music, while Satriani plays some kinda slow, easy songs. After all this time, I ended up with 4 cd's by Satriani, 1 by Vai.

As I said, it's just a matter of what you like; so I wouldn't say Clayderman plays 'easy' songs coz he's not capable of playing anything harder. I bet he can play a bunch of those 1000-notes-a-second songs, but he sticks with slow, melodic, rather simple pieces, just like me.

Just my $0.02 ;\)

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#605061 - 05/28/04 01:11 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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A pianist is by definition a person who plays the piano. Clayderman is a legitimate pianist.
Well, you take my meaning, I'm sure. This did have some minor real-world consequences, in that I wasted a position on my Netflix queue for his DVD, under the assumption that he was a world class pianist, as the DVD said. Yes, I know, he can be accurately termed that. But not in quite the same way as the other pianist who's DVDs I've rented, such as Gould, Kissin, and Kempff.

Anyway, my intent wasn't to bash him. I'm really just curious whether he's capable of playing more "virtuosic" pieces. I can imagine that he might simplify and orchestrate his music not to make it easier to play, but to make it more marketable.

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I guess it's a matter of what you like from Piano. I, personally got into piano only because of Clayderman; I guess I don't have quite enough knowledge about piano technique as to say if he plays well or not, but do can tell you I love the pieces he plays.
It's very nice music, for what it is. My problem was that I was expecting something else from the DVD. There's only so much shin-deep stage fog and soulful gazes into the camera that I can stand.

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#605062 - 05/28/04 02:35 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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Have you ever been to a hotel where you pay let's say min. 500$ for a room? Well, just try. Once you get in lift you hear.....Claydermann. You walk the corridor, you hear claydermann, you get in your room and put off Claydermann, you go down to the gala room to have dinner and there's a Claydermann revival band playing, you go back to your room and Claydermann seems to sleep next door, the suit with the baby Steinway...

Anyway. That's what his music is about. Easy listening. Some pling-ploing, Bridge over troubled water on digital panflute.
But it sells! Restaurants, Hotels and rich people with absolutely NO musicality buy it. Not to listen to, but to listen through.

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#605063 - 05/28/04 07:43 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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To paraphrase Liberace, he's crying all the way to the bank ;\)

Yes it's cheesy. I mean really, truely, awful bilge.....but if I'm honest I'd take the career and run!

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#605064 - 05/28/04 08:05 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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Yes he was classically trained. He is some sort of today's Liberace, making tons of money. Many young piano students are tinkering his 'songs' on their pianos. Parents like the youngsters achievments by playing Clayderman. What more do you want?

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#605065 - 05/28/04 09:13 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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Actually I have a book of his 'songs', and transcriptions, mostly written by French movie score writers. They are sickenly saccharine, but I have had more requests this song "Lady Di (or Diana)". His transcriptions are sweet and spare, and you know..... to each his own.
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#605066 - 05/28/04 10:51 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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I checked out some Liberace samples after comparing him to this Clayderman character. He did a respectable job with Liszt. I think Clayderman's head would explode if he tried to play Liszt.

I was mortified to see that Liberace played Chopin nocturne "medleys."

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#605067 - 05/29/04 12:03 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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I listen to Clayderman for 20 minutes every day before I practice. It makes me feel better about myself .

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#605068 - 05/30/04 12:29 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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Poor Mr. Clayderman. Oooh, some of us are being pretty brutal here! He's not a favorite of mine, but I give him credit for what he has accomplished.

Who is your favorite pianist/composer? Mine is Kostia - has anyone here heard his music? He is awesome but unfortunately not well known. He has 2 cd's of his own piano compositions (St. Petersburg Suite and the other is called 10 Pebbles). You can hear clips from his cd's on amazon.com. (I hope the link I'm patching below works.) His cd's are solo piano.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...=music&n=507846

Also Keiko Matsui has one solo piano cd. Most of her other cds are real new age-y with lots of accompaniment - nice, but I prefer solo piano. Keiko has one wonderful wonderful cd that is solo piano called (surprisingly enough) "Piano".

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B...0414232-2541422

I wonder if anyone else here will care for these pianists music??? Please let me know!!!

Jeanne W
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#605069 - 05/30/04 12:51 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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Me again.

I think the clips on Amazon.com of Kostia's music don't go on along enough to demonstrate the full breadth of his talent and his compositions. But I think you'll be able to tell this is not "background music"!?

Here's the link to his other cd on amazon.com called 10 Pebbles. On the liner notes, Kostia remarks the piano he is playing on this cd is one of the best pianos he's ever had the opportunity to play (it's a Steinway and sounds breathtakingly beautiful to me.)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...=glance&s=music

Jeanne W

P.S. It's 12:50 a.m. What am I doing posing at this time? I'm turning into a Pianoworld junkie.
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#605070 - 05/30/04 04:39 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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Hi Jeanne do you know where can I find free music sheet download for the song "Holding all my love for you" by Julianna Raye composed by Michael Kamen for the movie "Open Range" by Kevin Costner. Its a beautiful song so simple yet very powerful.

Regards Jeanne

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#605071 - 05/30/04 05:02 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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Originally posted by TheloniousPunk:
I wouldn't even compare him to Liberace, who was a geek, but a geek who could play a little. [/b]
Play a little? You don't seem to realize that even from just a technical standpoint Liberace had a technique that less than 1 out of 500(probably a much smaller %) people will ever have.
I'm sure his brand of piano playing doesn't appeal to that many people on this board(and I'm not a big fan either), but as a beginning piano student, I think you should be far less prone to criticize.

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#605072 - 05/30/04 07:40 PM Re: Richard Clayderman
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Well said. At first, I thought Liberace was just another one of those pianists who learns a few easy tunes that he can improvise to death, but was surprised to see pieces like cheyecoughski's Piano concerto No.1 in his repertoire. I don't particularily care for his playing, but I'll give him credit; I'd be thankful to become half as famous as he was.

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#605073 - 05/30/04 09:10 PM Re: Richard Clayderman
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Pianoloverus, thanks for the suggestion. I have one for you, too: lighten UP.

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#605074 - 05/30/04 09:15 PM Re: Richard Clayderman
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Originally posted by pianoloverus:
 Quote:
Originally posted by TheloniousPunk:
I wouldn't even compare him to Liberace, who was a geek, but a geek who could play a little. [/b]
Play a little? You don't seem to realize that even from just a technical standpoint Liberace had a technique that less than 1 out of 500(probably a much smaller %) people will ever have.
I'm sure his brand of piano playing doesn't appeal to that many people on this board(and I'm not a big fan either), but as a beginning piano student, I think you should be far less prone to criticize. [/b]
And you should be less of an authoritarian brown nose.

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#605075 - 05/30/04 10:03 PM Re: Richard Clayderman
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Seriously, it's like I blasphemed or something.

I say whatever I like about performers. Live with it, because it's not going to change.

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#605076 - 05/31/04 06:51 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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Originally posted by TheloniousPunk:
Seriously, it's like I blasphemed or something.

I say whatever I like about performers. Live with it, because it's not going to change. [/b]
I think you should have more respect for pianists (even Liberace) especially because you are a beginner. Unfortunately, you don't have this respect and will undoubtedly say "whatever you like." Maybe it will change when you understand more about piano playing and music. You have a lot to learn about piano playing, even from Richard Clayderman.

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#605077 - 05/31/04 06:52 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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#605078 - 05/31/04 07:18 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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I don't want to get into trouble but would like to add a comment on what people seem to forget easily on internet.

I personally believe that it is very important when you criticize (the word is neutral) someone, there should be reasons for it. Perhaps you can say so to someone you know well, and had some prior knowledge about your taste or personality. But I sometimes find it annoying when people call a music/ movie trash simply he/she doesn't like it. You may have perfectly good reason to not like him, then say it and try to convince the others. Whether I agree or not I will repect your opinion. Otherwise it will be an empty echo that no one cares.

Therefore your opinion should to be validated, in an internet forum where different people of different culture and age gather. So you will have to be more careful than when you talk to people who know you offline, because your personality can only be only judged by what you say here. You will find it difficult to be accepted especially the language is extreme.

p.s. personal attack not welcomed

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#605079 - 05/31/04 08:03 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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Ramel:

I've never heard of that song, "Holding All My Love For You." I went to amazon.com to try to hear it. Rats! There are no sound clips available from the soundtrack cd of the movie "Open Range". I don't know if sheet music is available for the piece of music or not?

If there is no sheet music available and the music isn't that involved - and you just have to have that music to play - you might consider doing the same thing I did with the piano music played by the actress n the Jane Eyre movie (George C. Scott version). I love that piece of music and since no sheet music is available, I wound up tape recording it from the movie on television and then transcribing it myself.

Sorry. Wish I could have helped you out with the sheet music instead.

P.S. The piano music from the Jane Eyre movie is "played" on the piano by the actress in the movie. I searched and searched for the soundtrack of that movie, so I'd have it on lp or cd, but by the time I got around to trying to get the soundtrack-it was out of print. After wanting that soundtrack for the last 25 years, I was overjoyed last year to find it's back in print and bought it. Imagine my chagrin when I found the piano solo was not even on the cd!!!! It's a John Williams movie score and there's tons of orchestral music using the melody, but the main theme song as played solo on piano is not included on the cd.

Moral of the Story: Never assume the piece of music you want that was in a movie is included on the movie sountrack cd -it might not be! Check the liner notes.

Re: my post regarding Kostia. I think maybe that would be better as a new thread. It would be interesting hearing what composers of today other Pianoworld members like. I did a search and did not see that this question had been asked before, so I'm going to bring my post forward.

Jeanne W
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#605080 - 05/31/04 10:20 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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Pianoloverus, I have absolutely no regard whatsoever for your opinion as to what I should or should not say. You are WAY out of line, trying to tell other people what they are allowed to type.

You need to ask yourself why you feel entitled to tell another adult what he can or cannot say. Who made you moderator? Are you Liberace's mother or something?

I say what I want, and I let you say what you want. I don't tell other people what to say, because I don't share your amazing arrogance.

Your remarks are uncalled-for, inappropriate, insulting, and unfounded. I can't believe you have the audacity to defend them, and I have no intention of heeding your bizarre advice.

Elfen, you sound like Joe McCarthy. Do you really expect me to have my opinions "validated" by some sort of committee? If I think Richard Clayderman's music is bad, I'll say so. That's what this forum is for.

By the way, who validated YOUR opinion?

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#605081 - 05/31/04 11:41 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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TheloniousPunk, sorry, but you're not allowed to have an opinion unless you are more than a "beginner" in music. At least, that's what pianoloverus is implying.

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#605082 - 05/31/04 11:51 AM Re: Richard Clayderman
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Originally posted by TheloniousPunk:
You are WAY out of line, trying to tell other people what they are allowed to type.

You need to ask yourself why you feel entitled to tell another adult what he can or cannot say. Who made you moderator?
I say what I want, and I let you say what you want. I don't tell other people what to say, because I don't share your amazing arrogance.

Elfen, you sound like Joe McCarthy. Do you really expect me to have my opinions "validated" by some sort of committee? If I think Richard Clayderman's music is bad, I'll say so. That's what this forum is for.

By the way, who validated YOUR opinion? [/b]
You've missed the point of my posts again. Anyone can say or type whatever they want. But based on your level of pianistic skill and musical understanding at this point I think you should have far more respect for professional pianists and be less prone to criticize them.

Just because you are an adult it doesn't make you knowledgable. It's fine if you you want to post about things like learning to use the pedal for the first time but why you offer opinions about things you know so little about and then try and defiend them so stubbornly.

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