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#640644 - 09/02/07 05:03 PM
Bridge Notching
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Registered: 12/27/06
Posts: 49
Loc: Utah
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On the Stieff rebuild I am undertaking, I am replacing treble bridge caps due to extensive cracking. I've completed the cap replacement, and will shortly begin the notching and pin replacement. I am curious about the original notching technique. I've included shots below of the tenor bridge -- I don't have shots in profile of the treble bridge. It appears that the notches are cut on a curve away from the the pins. Was this done with a straight chisel, varying the angle of cut as the cut progresses? Or was this curve achieved with a different chisel type, or other tool? I have not yet done a mock up and experimented with chisel techniques, but I am curious what you all can tell me. Tenor bridge showing curve of notching:
 Original treble bridge cap:
 New treble bridge cap:
 Thanks in advance for your time, experience, and observations.
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#640645 - 09/02/07 05:26 PM
Re: Bridge Notching
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Registered: 04/09/06
Posts: 2772
Loc: Vancouver B.C. Canada
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That is created by technique. Both by the chisel and by the side cut. You kind of scoop the wood with the chisel instead of pushing strait down. Practice on some scrap.
The first bridge I made 15 years ago was a practice bridge. I made the entire root treble to tenor for a grand. Capped it then drilled, notched and pined it. To this day it hangs on my shop wall.
It was a great way to learn the craft of bridge making.
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#640646 - 09/02/07 06:17 PM
Re: Bridge Notching
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A friend of mine who makes violins points out that it is the last cuts where neatness counts. You can rough it out, but it is your last cuts that should be smooth and sure.
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#640648 - 09/14/07 08:25 PM
Re: Bridge Notching
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Registered: 08/01/05
Posts: 1815
Loc: West Coast
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Flat chisel. Flat side up. Mega-Ultra sharp and polished until you can see yourself in it. Even the edge on new decent quality chisels is not refined enough.
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#640651 - 09/18/07 02:12 AM
Re: Bridge Notching
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Registered: 12/06/05
Posts: 224
Loc: Stoneham, MA
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Larry, do you find that A curved out notch works better than a straight notch? I like the look of a curved notch and thought it might be better than a straight notch but when I went on the M&H piano tour they told me the straight notch works very well.
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#640654 - 09/20/07 12:02 PM
Re: Bridge Notching
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Registered: 10/27/04
Posts: 1990
Loc: Lowell MA
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Here is how I joint my bridge caps. It is a large file pic so here is the link. www.ejbuckpiano.com/Coe/Sound%20Board/BridgeScarf.jpg I'll photo a completed bridge and put it up.
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#640656 - 09/20/07 02:32 PM
Re: Bridge Notching
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Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 373
Loc: Shreveport, LA
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Larry, I've never seen chisels designated by "scoop"...is this the degree of "swan-neck", like those used to clean the bottom of a mortise? I'm assuming anything other that the generic swan-neck would certainly be custom. Zero sweep, I know!!
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#640658 - 09/26/07 04:13 PM
Re: Bridge Notching
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Registered: 09/10/04
Posts: 1153
Loc: Old Hangtown California
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Larry, your works looks very nice and shows lots of experience. Do you think that just a straight cut is easier and a better choice for beginners?
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#640659 - 09/27/07 02:20 AM
Re: Bridge Notching
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Registered: 10/27/04
Posts: 1990
Loc: Lowell MA
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Thanks Gene, Originally posted by Gene Nelson:  Do you think that just a straight cut is easier and a better choice for beginners? [/b] I suppose so. I was thinking that the choice for tools will determine results, regardless of experience.
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#640660 - 09/27/07 02:22 AM
Re: Bridge Notching
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Registered: 10/27/04
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Loc: Lowell MA
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#640662 - 09/27/07 03:07 AM
Re: Bridge Notching
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Registered: 12/27/06
Posts: 49
Loc: Utah
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Larry, Thanks for your encouragement, compliment and additional remarks. Indeed, I finished the notching this evening, and I found technique that would allow me to scoop at the top of the treble. On the lower end, I had found that the chisel with the flat side up worked well, but in the upper treble with shorter working area a nice scoop is produced with the more conventional orientation of the chisel. I then went back and scooped the ones I had cut flat yesterday. I'm totally convinced that custom chisels would produce a better result more easily. Larry, can you tell me how to proceed with the custom tool route? I'm guessing the tools you have were made years ago, so this might be a hard question. Above you say that the bridge chisel should have "zero" sweep and a slight scoop. I'll do some googling on that, but can you perhaps also suggest where to go looking for a supplier? You and everyone here have given me so much! Thanks!!!!
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