Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician

the Forums & Piano World

Trying Something New with Search
Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World) our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps and more.

Free Shipping on Jansen Artist Piano Benches
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
Who's Online
79 registered (AndrewJCW, Amosdoll, Anticlock, Bachus, augustm, 20 invisible), 958 Guests and 8 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Topic Options
#642666 - 02/13/09 09:53 AM Hamburg Steinway?
Dave Stahl Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/06/07
Posts: 1645
Hi All,

Just tuned a really nice M from 1927. I was about to start tuning when I noticed that there was no sostenuto pedal (I often use it to tune the bass). Other than that, from the outside, it looked like a New York M. When I pulled the action, the hammers were decidedly different. Not sure if they were replacements (I suspect so) or originals. The underfelt was orange-yellow.

Any of you have experience with Hamburgs?
Promote Harmony in the Universe...Tune your piano!

Dave Stahl, RPT
Piano Technician's Guild
San Jose, CA

(ad 568) PTG Journal Online
PTG Journal Online
#642667 - 02/13/09 09:59 AM Re: Hamburg Steinway?
Steve Jackson Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/02/07
Posts: 700
Loc: Zichron Yaacov, Israel
Hi David:

The Hamburgs, and most European pianos did not have
sostenuto until recently. I think the Hamburgs started in the 60's with the 3 pedals. The hammers are different too. They have always used different parts and woods and sound and play different. The pinblocks are also doweled into the case at the ends, not just the stretcher.

International sales of vintage Piano and restoration.
Exclusive Live Performance Player Systems Dealer


#642668 - 02/13/09 10:19 AM Re: Hamburg Steinway?
Peter Sumner- Piano Technician Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/09/07
Posts: 852
Loc: San Francisco
Hi Dave
The cheeks on Hamburg instruments are round....square on NY instruments....
I think that applies to the era you mention.
Earlier instruments were all round cheeks...I think the styles changed in the early part of the century.

There are anomalies in reproduction styles and art case instruments....

I think!!!

Perhaps someone can straighten me out if I'm wrong.
Peter Sumner
Concert Piano Technician

#642669 - 02/13/09 10:29 AM Re: Hamburg Steinway?
Dave Stahl Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/06/07
Posts: 1645
Peter, Steve,

Thanks for the information. The cheeks were square on this. On the surface, it looked NY, but I've never seen a 1927 NY without sostentuto.

As far as the action parts, they may or may not be original. I suspect not, given the instrument's age. I shaped the hammers, and the felt was amazingly easy to work with.

Usually when I get a call to service a 1927 Steinway, I expect an assortment of problems, notably verdigris. The piano was in really good shape.
Promote Harmony in the Universe...Tune your piano!

Dave Stahl, RPT
Piano Technician's Guild
San Jose, CA

#642670 - 02/13/09 11:50 AM Re: Hamburg Steinway?
BDB Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/07/03
Posts: 23187
Loc: Oakland
Differences in Steinways of that period, but not necessarily definitive: Brass inlaid lettering, rather than a decal (Did any of you see the recent Woodwright's Shop with the passer drill?). Auxiliary wippen support springs. Lid prop without the Steinway scallop. Hornbeam action parts, rather than maple. Smaller knuckles, with different leather.

I have seen one Hamburg with really badly corroded drop screws.
Semipro Tech


Moderator:  Piano World 
Happy Thanksgiving!
Happy Thanksgiving!
Happy Thanksgiving to all our members and guests from the U.S.!
(ad) Yamaha CP4 or CP40 Free Bag
Buy a CP4 or CP40 Get a Free Bag
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ads) PD - WNG - MH
Wessell Nickel & Gross
Ad (the Piano Store)
the Piano Store - Restored Steinway Pianos
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Playing piano topless
by PhilipInChina
Yesterday at 11:08 PM
Students with A.D.D
by Elysia
Yesterday at 11:07 PM
Happy Belated Birthday Orange Soda King!
by pianoloverus
Yesterday at 04:13 PM
Special Thanks on this day to all the techs on PW
by chasingrainbows
Yesterday at 04:05 PM
Disney Piano Songs
by Marie101
Yesterday at 03:50 PM
What's Hot!!
Posting Pictures on the Forums
Forums Rules & Help
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
Forum Stats
81,560 Registered Members
44 Forums
168,589 Topics
2,469,966 Posts

Most users ever online: 15,252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |

copyright 1997 - 2015 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission