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#642672 - 01/08/09 12:24 PM Inharmonicity targets
lorkoe Offline
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Registered: 02/18/08
Posts: 17
Loc: Manitoba, Canada
When re-stringing, what inharmonicity numbers would you use as targets in the various ranges of the piano? How do you keep a balance between iH and tension (BS%) when doing the calculations? Do you just try to keep the tension fairly consistent and then check that the iH is reasonable?

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#642673 - 01/08/09 03:15 PM Re: Inharmonicity targets
delacey-simms Offline
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Registered: 08/14/08
Posts: 114
Loc: Kirkbymoorside N.Yorks UK
Note the original tensions when removing the old strings, the average tension in every section should be the target tension of each replacement string in that section, the tensions can be adjusted slightly so one section runs smoothly into the next. The common trend is that it creeps up towards the bass but is quite level in the treble. Don't worry about iH, an even tension is key.
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#642674 - 01/10/09 02:51 AM Re: Inharmonicity targets
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In order to note the original tensions: How do you know the tension in a string? Do you measure it?
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#642675 - 01/10/09 02:04 PM Re: Inharmonicity targets
lorkoe Offline
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Gadzar, I was wondering about that too. I would still be interested in knowing when the iH numbers are too high. Surely there must be some sort of rule of thumb.

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#642676 - 01/10/09 10:54 PM Re: Inharmonicity targets
Dale Fox Offline
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ALgebra.
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#642677 - 01/10/09 11:00 PM Re: Inharmonicity targets
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I posted an Excel template a long time ago.
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#642678 - 01/11/09 08:15 PM Re: Inharmonicity targets
lorkoe Offline
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Registered: 02/18/08
Posts: 17
Loc: Manitoba, Canada
I understand how to calculate the iH but that doesn't tell me if these numbers are "out of range". That's what I'm looking for.

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#642679 - 01/11/09 09:30 PM Re: Inharmonicity targets
Gene Nelson Offline
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Registered: 09/10/04
Posts: 1661
Loc: Old Hangtown California
If you purchase PScale from Tremaine Parsons, http://www.goptools.com/ the scales of several pianos are in there as examples. If you open them onto the graphic display, inharmonicity and tension guidelines are drawn in and you can see how your scale fits.
These guidelines were arrived at by measuring and plotting many scales and then finding out that most scales will fall within these guidelines or close to it.
You can calculate iH for a note but it really has no meaning until you can see how it compares with the other notes.
As tension and iH change oppostie from eachother, (in general - within limits) it is the tension that is more important for tone and iH for tuning.
If the tuning cannot be smooth and even but the tone can, this is the better choice in my opinion.
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#642680 - 01/11/09 09:43 PM Re: Inharmonicity targets
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Registered: 10/22/06
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Loc: Maine
"I posted an Excel template a long time ago." BDB

A belated thank you for that. I pulled it down, and have had a good time evaluating the scales of a couple of rebuilds with it. Nothing major had to be changed, but it was interesting to see how well the original designers had done (Chickering and Mason & Hamlin "A").
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#642681 - 01/12/09 12:15 AM Re: Inharmonicity targets
BDB Offline
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That is odd. I did quite a bit of changing on my A. I felt justified, as I have seen quite a number of different scales printed on different As.
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