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#645254 - 01/27/09 11:47 PM Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
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Registered: 12/15/06
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Loc: Mexico City
It's confirmed, they want me to tune a piano for Elton John.

He's giving a concert on january 31th, and no! I am not tuning the show's piano.

The Colegio de las Viscainas, will put a piano into his camerin: that is the piano I will tune.

For me it's the firt time I will tune a piano for someone famous in the world of music.

Any toughs to share?
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#645255 - 01/27/09 11:51 PM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
Jerry Groot RPT Offline
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Loc: Grand Rapids Michigan
Good for you Gadzar!!! Good luck! Don't be nervous now!
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#645256 - 01/27/09 11:51 PM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
BDB Online   content
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I have heard he plays very hard. Do a good job setting the pins. It should not be a problem if you are always careful.
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#645257 - 01/27/09 11:56 PM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
Gadzar Online   content
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I am hired the hole day, 8 hrs. That's way enough time to set the pins. But I guess time is not an issue here hein?

I am nervous. I don't know if I will know Elton John. They asked me to be there the hole day just in case...
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#645258 - 01/28/09 12:09 AM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
Jerry Groot RPT Offline
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You might have to touch it up a couple of times or more which is normal.

Don't take a laxative or anything either.
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#645259 - 01/28/09 12:57 AM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
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Loc: Vancouver Island, BC, Canada
Way to go! I am sure it will be just fine. Often, it is the more insecure pianists who are nervous and blame everything on the piano and the tuner... Besides, EJ spent enough years playing a run down overdamper piano to be able to appreciate anything resembling a half decent tuning...

Bring a book to read - you will spend a lot of time sitting around doing nothing. And let us know how it goes.

After that gig you will have to change your singature line to something like "Tuner to the Stars..."
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#645260 - 01/28/09 01:06 AM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
Gadzar Online   content
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Registered: 12/15/06
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Loc: Mexico City
Thanks Jurgen. I will try to do better than a half decent tuning.

If Elton is satisfied with my tuning, I will change my signature to:

Rafael Melo
Piano Technician & Tuner

If not, I will know I have a long way in front of me...
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#645261 - 01/28/09 01:23 AM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
Keith Roberts Offline
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Registered: 05/04/04
Posts: 1984
Loc: Murphys, Ca
Just tune it like you do any other piano. Don't change your set up routine or anything. Do a quick pass to get the piano to pitch and make sure the last tuners didn't leave any wild ones. Then strip the piano and pound the center strings till they don't change and you like the checks. Spend the rest of the time hammering in the unisons.
Notice the regulation as you finish up or maybe investigate string level and mating.

Do you carry lubricants? You might need them.
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#645262 - 01/28/09 08:04 AM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
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I'm very excited for you Gadzar. I’m sure you will do fine. Just remember that Elton may be a little nervous, too. After all, he has never played a piano that you have tuned before!
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#645263 - 01/28/09 08:12 AM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
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Yea, don't be nervous. Don't think about all the money EJ has made, and all the fame he has.

Be sure not to make any silly mistakes, and again ... don't be nervous!
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#645264 - 01/28/09 08:19 AM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
Bob Newbie Offline
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Registered: 09/02/06
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8 hrs is long! all I can say is "Don't Let The Sun Go down on You.. \:D

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#645265 - 01/28/09 01:45 PM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
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Registered: 01/23/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Western NC
Elton can be quite the diva...

Be sure you don't tune it .0001 cents sharp..he might throw a tantrum!

\:\)
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#645266 - 01/28/09 06:33 PM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
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Registered: 08/29/08
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Loc: Windsor,Nova Scotia Canada
make sure you get a free ticket for his concert. He sold out 2 nights here in Halifax Nova Scotia Canada. From all reports one of the best concerts ever
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#645267 - 01/28/09 06:50 PM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
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A tuner friend of mine is tuning the piano for Billy Joel's Steinway when he plays along with EJ. I still find it comical that A Steinway and Yamaha will be on the same stage together.
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#645268 - 01/28/09 07:16 PM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
Ron Alexander Offline
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Registered: 06/17/03
Posts: 1292
Loc: North Carolina
Gadzar, congratulations on the job. Control the nerves, you will do fine!!!

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Keith quote:
Do you carry lubricants? You might need them.
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When I read that, my mind hit the gutter and drove me to fits of laughter!!!

Keith, ya might wanna 'splain that...but then maybe not!!!!!
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#645269 - 01/28/09 07:24 PM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
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Registered: 04/16/07
Posts: 2506
Loc: Olympia, WA
My mind wasn't in the gutter but now you've dragged me into it!

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#645270 - 01/28/09 08:57 PM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
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Elton seems to like a very bright treble so bring materials to voice it up if needed.
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#645271 - 01/29/09 12:02 AM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
Jerry Groot RPT Offline
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Registered: 11/07/07
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Loc: Grand Rapids Michigan
Keith's lubrication suggestion just "cracks" me up too..

\:D
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#645272 - 01/29/09 12:15 AM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
Gadzar Online   content
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Registered: 12/15/06
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Loc: Mexico City
I'm affraid I don't understand english very well.

Nevermind, I don't want to understand this.
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Piano Technician
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Serving Mexico City and suburbs.

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#645273 - 01/29/09 01:54 AM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
BDB Online   content
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Loc: Oakland
Just tune the piano. Do your normal tuning, just making sure you do it carefully.

My experience with famous pianists is that most of them are no more picky about tuning than anyone else. Even those who complain about the piano are usually doing it because of their nerves, not because there is anything wrong with the tuning.
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#645274 - 01/29/09 03:38 PM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
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Loc: Cornwall, England
 Quote:
Originally posted by Diaphragmatic:
I still find it comical that A Steinway and Yamaha will be on the same stage together. [/b]
...I don't, they're both fine instruments \:\)

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#645275 - 01/29/09 06:41 PM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
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Registered: 06/17/03
Posts: 1292
Loc: North Carolina
quote:
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Originally posted by Diaphragmatic:
I still find it comical that A Steinway and Yamaha will be on the same stage together.
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...I don't, they're both fine instruments

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Michael
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Me neitha...I completely agree with your statement Cruiser.
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#645276 - 02/01/09 01:41 AM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
Gadzar Online   content
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Loc: Mexico City
Well, it's done.

Finally I had to tune the show's piano! I could not believe my ears when they asked me to tune the concert's piano!

The guy, (he never told me his name), told me that the piano was tuned 3 days ago, so it should be fairly in tune, but he wanted me to touch up the tuning.

It's a Yamaha CF III, serial N° 6123900. What a beautyfull piano! It is equiped with two micros attached to the plate struts. From top it is the only equipement that is visible. I look under the piano and there is a black box, I don't know if it is a digital system. However the keybed is not cutted as I had seen in other electronically equiped pianos. And there is nothing more.

A fast check with my Verituner showed that A4 and the rest of the tenor was flat by 2 to 3 cents, while the bass and the treble were on pitch.

Many thanks to Ron Koval. I used his style for large stretched pianos, and it matched nicely the tuning already in the piano.

The unisons were perfect with a few exceptions. There were a very few notes off pitch, by 4 or 5 cents, in the low bass.

The guy asked me how many time I needed, I told him 2 hours and he said me "No way, you have an hour, the piano is really close."

I said OK. And began to think what I was able to do in an hour. I decided to leave the piano where it was, that's 3 cents flat. Touch up the unisons and the few notes that were off pitch.

So I adjusted my Verituner to minus 2.8 cents, which stopped the patern for A4 and began to tune any note that was off by more than 2 cents. If a note was off by less than 2 cents I left it where it was. Also I touched up the few unisons that were not perfect. I was finished in half an hour.

And then I began my run of tests: Octaves, fiths, fourths, thirds, sixths, tenths, 17ths, 12ths, double-octaves, all along the keyboard. I had to improve a few notes. And when the guy came back I was finished.

Then he sat at the piano and started playing. It sounded great! He played a series of loud chords, he pounded the piano! All across the entire keyboard. Finally he played a run of octaves and he said: "Fine, that´s it".

He closed the piano and they took it behind the stage.

Then I was introduced to another tuner. He is the owner of a rental piano, a 6 feet Yamaha grand, that James Blond will play tonight. He asked me about the Verituner and how it works. The piano was already strip muted, so I quickly setted the temperament A4, A3 and then from F3 to A4, to show him how it works. It took me only five minutes. He was also impressed by my Fujan. He was happy with the temperament! I let him finish the tuning.

Then I was conducted to the Elton's room. There was a Wagner, 100+ aged upright, 3/4 plate. Apparently it's German made, not because of the name but because of the keys and action. I've seen the same design in a Rosenkranz.

The piano is really in a bad shape. The tuning pins are rusted and loose, they didn't hold the pitch. There was no other option but to CA glue the pins. Fortunatly I had with me my red hot stuff. After waiting the glue to set for half an hour I began tuning. It was 35 cents flat. So I did a pitch raise followed by a fine tuning, and a third touch up pass. It held. Once tuned it has an acceptable sound. The bass is powerfull and the tenor is deep, with a shiny treble.

I then went to the stage to hear James Blond who was singing, playing guitar and piano. When he finished practice, I left.


A wonderfull experience. Though I didn't met Elton John. \:\( But I saw James Blond, he has a nice voice. \:\)


Elton's piano is brand new and perfectly regulated. No need of lubricants!

One thing that amazed me: When I was on the stage, tuning the CF III, everybody stopped making noise!

I don't know who to thank for that, but I really appreciated, it was really nice! I believe the people in the hall was warned before I came in.
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#645277 - 02/01/09 12:44 PM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
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One thing that amazed me: When I was on the stage, tuning the CF III, everybody stopped making noise!
Professional crews know when it is your time. I usually get dinner time, when the stage is closed to everyone except me. There are expensive penalties for encroaching on the crew's dinner time.

I have been getting a CFIIIS of the same period. They are nice pianos!
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#645278 - 02/01/09 01:57 PM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
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Congratulations! Since I usually listen to only classical music I haven't heard a single Elton John song except this one which I think is terrific(both as a song and in terms of the performance):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoomfOZ2elw&feature=related

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#645279 - 02/01/09 08:08 PM Re: Hired to tune a piano for Elton John
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Gadzar, sounds like you did a great job!
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