Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

Trying Something New with Search
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Who's Online
114 registered (anotherscott, AndrewJCW, accordeur, AZ_Astro, 41 invisible), 1318 Guests and 12 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
Topic Options
#652342 - 02/21/02 01:41 AM Laminated soundboards
pianoseed Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/13/01
Posts: 884
Loc: here
I am hearing about them more and more. Are they as good as solid spruce? Who is using them and on what model pianos? Sounds like a good idea if they sound as well.
_________________________
pianoseed

Top
(ad 568) PTG Grand Action Regulation in 37 Steps
PTG Grand Action Regulation in 37 Steps
#652343 - 02/21/02 05:19 PM Re: Laminated soundboards
T2 Offline
Full Member

Registered: 12/18/01
Posts: 341
(Non-Tech perspective.) I have seen laminated soundboards as advertized as guaranteed for 100 years (which I don't care about). I haven't played many, but I would be concerned about the added stiffness that lamination produces having a negative impact on the tone of the piano. Does any tech have an informed opinion to share about this?

I did make some comparisons between a New York Steinway and a Hamburg Steinway. One of the things I was told is about the difference in stiffness (mechanical impedance) of the soundboard. I guess a Hamburg Steinway is more stiff, and that translates into a somewhat different sound. To my ear, a Hamburg Steinway doesn't allow you to be rude (or "play the blues"*).

T2

*Quotation from Keith Jarrett on one of the two Steinway Ds (a New York and a Hamburg) that sit in his music room.

[ February 22, 2002: Message edited by: T2 ]

Top
#652344 - 02/21/02 05:57 PM Re: Laminated soundboards
Derick Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/03/02
Posts: 3290
Loc: New York
Non-tech perspective also... I've heard that laminated sound boards don't make that much difference in uprights. I can't confirm or deny that statement. But I can attest to playing a few grands with laminated soundboards and they were awful. They had very poor and uneven sustain. I don't know if this was due to the scale design of the piano or the soundboard.

Laminated soundboards may never crack, but based on my experience, you pay the price in tonal quality.

Derick
_________________________
Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.

Top
#652345 - 02/21/02 09:06 PM Re: Laminated soundboards
Norbert Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 07/03/01
Posts: 14681
Loc: Surrey, B.C.
T2:

With all respect...what does "BEING RUDE"...

...have to do with "PLAYING THE BLUES"???

Have you ever listened to the great Jay McShann...the [more than!] gentle great American giant of the blues!

And believe me, the man DOES play Hamburg Steinways when touring Europe!

[WHICH HE DOES A LOT!!]

Norbert Marten
www.heritagepianos.com
_________________________
www.heritagepianos.com
Greater Vancouver B.C. piano dealers for : Estonia, Brodmann, Ritmuller
604-951-8642

Top
#652346 - 02/21/02 11:58 PM Re: Laminated soundboards
pianoseed Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/13/01
Posts: 884
Loc: here
I guess the jury is still out but leaning toward solid spruce. Thanks, guys.
_________________________
pianoseed

Top
#652347 - 02/22/02 02:23 AM Re: Laminated soundboards
T2 Offline
Full Member

Registered: 12/18/01
Posts: 341
 Quote:
Originally posted by Norbert:
T2: With all respect...what does "BEING RUDE" have to do with "PLAYING THE BLUES"?
[/b]


They are both metaphors to express something I like in New York Steinways that to my ears is absent from the sound of Hamburg Steinways.

T2

P.S.: Norbert, Jay McShann is indeed a wonderful player. Please go right on suggesting pianists to listen to.

[ February 24, 2002: Message edited by: T2 ]

Top
#652348 - 02/22/02 06:57 PM Re: Laminated soundboards
Alex Hernandez Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/22/02
Posts: 1969
I can only speak from my experience, but in my career as a technician I have never encountered a laminated soundboard that provides the same type of resonance and sonority that a solid board does, they are simply to rigid. Having said that it is also important to note that there are many variables that contribute to the overall quality and performance of a soundboard. Among these are quality of grain, more specifically tightness of grain and uniformity of color. The curing of the board to establish proper humidity content and stability. And fitting of the board to the rim.

The New York versus Hamburg argument is another can of worms in itself. I grew up with New York but later grew to prefer the Hamburg.

[ February 23, 2002: Message edited by: Alex Hernández ]
_________________________


BlĂĽthner USA, LLC

Top

Moderator:  Piano World 
Shop our Store for Music Lovers!
PianoSupplies.com is Piano World's Online Store
Please visit our store today.
(ad) Teaching Children Music
Teaching Music to Children
(ad) Yamaha Stage Pianos
Yamaha CP4 & CP40 Stage Pianos
(ads) PD - WNG - MH
Mason & Hamlin Piano Factory Tours
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Member Recordings posts
by Arghhh
09/02/15 08:09 PM
My personal comparison of pianos in €900-€1200 range.
by bitnick
09/02/15 04:24 PM
dynamics and reprise question
by iamanders
09/02/15 03:59 PM
Roland wifi/bluetooth connections
by pe2Dave
09/02/15 01:18 PM
Steinway "steel" frames?
by Erchoukyrie
09/02/15 01:06 PM
What's Hot!!
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Forum Stats
80,598 Registered Members
44 Forums
166,633 Topics
2,441,455 Posts

Most users ever online: 15,252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2015 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission