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#1349410 - 01/14/10 01:39 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: dewster]
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Thanks, but I've tried the computer route with seriously good sounds, but it did not work for me, something about where the sound actually comes from, I think. Anyway, I now am on really limited buget, hence my suggestions above. But thanks so much for the input. J.

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#1349487 - 01/14/10 02:53 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: jo1111]
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Let's try to get back to the OP's question
Originally Posted By: zebeddy
CLP360, CLP810S, CLP155, CLP411, CVP30 and a CVP55

Signa gives good advice about checking on the age of these units.
http://www.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/chron.php

But I don't necessarily agree on his 8 year limit. There were some excellent Yamaha's that came out during 1998 thru 2001, the CLP800 and 900 series. If you can find one of those (from among the top-of-line models, CLP970 or 990, CLP860 or 880) for a **low** price, it would be a nice choice.

But among most other "oldies", I'd have to agree with Signa. Stay away. (I didn't look, but I'm guessing that most of your ebay-listed models are way older?)

As for waiting for NAMM, I wouldn't bother. In your price range (£430, or $700), you can currently find a decent slab, but nothing special. What will NAMM bring? A **new** crop of decent slabs ... but no decent consoles. Not in that price range.

You mentioned maybe having more money (£1000, or $1600) sometime soon. For that amount of money, you can get a good new console ... many choices. But, in that range you might also find a fair selection of used models. If you could find a used CLP270/280 in that price range, get it.


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#1349506 - 01/14/10 03:04 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: MacMacMac]
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If I gave the impression that I will have more money later, then I apologise, that was my mistake or lack of clarity with my writing. No, 'fraid not. No more money coming, I am stuck with a cheapy. The essence of what I need to know is, will the ydp140 or korg sp250 be better than my old clp 360, given it is 20 years old. Thanks for your input, J.

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#1349537 - 01/14/10 03:40 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: jo1111]
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Originally Posted By: jo1111
...I get will sound better than the old 360 - given 20 years on. I'm wondering if the feel will be as good too. I would like to get the YDP 140, (mainly because of limited buget, )would that feel as good as the old 360


Simple answer: "No."

The YDP140 uses what Yamaha calls "GHS" key action and it's a step down from what you have now. However any Yamaha with "GH" action would be as good or better than what you have. So that would be the P155, YDP160, YDP223 or any CLP.
If cost is an issue the P155 is priced lower than a YDP140.

Sound has improved a lot and will get better but any of the above pianos is so much better than what was available 20 years ago. Of the above, the P155 is the newest and so has the newest (as of 2009) sound technology but eh ydp223 has far better speakers and will play louder with more dynamic range.



Edited by ChrisA (01/14/10 03:41 PM)

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#1349638 - 01/14/10 05:33 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: ChrisA]
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Thanks ChrisA, brilliant! That is just the info I needed, I will look at the models you suggest, or indeed any models with GH. The keyboard action is essentially the issue. Any thoughts about the Korg? J.

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#1349689 - 01/14/10 06:34 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: jo1111]
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Originally Posted By: jo1111
Thanks ChrisA, brilliant! That is just the info I needed, I will look at the models you suggest, or indeed any models with GH. The keyboard action is essentially the issue. Any thoughts about the Korg? J.


I was unable to find a Korg SP250 to try. I even contacted Korg USA sales department and asked for help.

People say sp250 is pretty good for the price but I would have had to order one on-line sight unseen.

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#1349940 - 01/14/10 10:48 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: ChrisA]
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Originally Posted By: ChrisA
Originally Posted By: jo1111
...I get will sound better than the old 360 - given 20 years on. I'm wondering if the feel will be as good too. I would like to get the YDP 140, (mainly because of limited buget, )would that feel as good as the old 360



If cost is an issue the P155 is priced lower than a YDP140.




The YDP-140 actually averages around $150 less than the P-155 I believe.

Anyways, the P-155 has smaller speakers and less in the way of a cabinet but it has similar stats to the CLP-340 in terms of sample layers, polyphony, key-off samples, sustain sampling, damper resonance etc. I think the only significant differences between the P-155 and the much more expensive CLP-340 are that the CLP-340 has a GH3 keyboard as opposed to just GH and it has bigger internal speakers, furniture cabinet, key cover etc.

If the speakers prove too small on the P-155 you could always hook up a pair of headphones or an amp. Personally, I was wanting a CLP-340 but decided to save $1,000 and just settle on the P-155 after reading how much alike they are in terms of technology and sound sampling etc., mine should be here on Tuesday (can't wait!). I can live without all the cabinetry and bigger speakers etc. for that much of a price difference, mine's just going to be in a small bedroom anyways.

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Sorry if I got a little off-track from the discussion! whome
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#1351691 - 01/17/10 05:12 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: AnotherSchmoe]
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Thanks very much for that, I look forward to hearing how you enjoy your new p155. I assume one can get a 'proper' stand etc for it. I don't like the 'X' type very much.

I visited a local piano shop on Saturday, he had yamaha and rolands. Rolands sound pretty good, anyone know how they compare to CLPs etc. So much more expensive than buying off the net though. eg clp320 on net £850 in shop 1200 and something!!!!

I didn't see a p155 but tried a p85, not so bad, but not much umph! soundwise, I guess the p155 would be much better, in touch as well as sound?

Still wondering if anyone has any views about the Korg sp250.

Thanks again all for your interest and input.

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#1351709 - 01/17/10 06:04 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: jo1111]
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jo1111:
I don't much care for X-stands either, I ordered my P-155 as part of a package-deal that includes a sturdier looking stand for it, as well as a bench etc.

Here's the page I ordered from so you can see what it all looks like (I have nothing to gain from posting this link so please don't think I'm advertising):
http://www.kraftmusic.com/catalog/keyboards/88keykeyboards/index.asp?product=7140

Once it comes in I'll let you know what I think of it. I don't have much experience with digital pianos so I won't be able to give you any comparison to other models, but I'll be sure to give you my impressions of it regardless. I'll try and get a couple recordings up too once I get everything figured out. For now I'm stuck playing the waiting game as my new piano bravely treks it's way across 600 miles of open country. Oh what fun, hehe. sleep

Oh well, I'm sure I'll be dancing around squealing like a giddy schoolgirl once the UPS guy shows up at my door. I've been making do with a junker for the last few years and it's high time I got a decent instrument.
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#1351717 - 01/17/10 06:22 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: AnotherSchmoe]
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that's a great deal! It works out at £830.381 - wonderful. I wonder if they do international orders - shipping would cost a fortune :-) J.

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#1351722 - 01/17/10 06:35 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: jo1111]
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Well there's no harm in emailing them and asking, the people at Kraft usually respond pretty quickly. Though I doubt they're able to for most items, I think there are dealer agreements in place regarding what countries they're allowed to sell to and while I'm not positive I'm pretty sure they're exclusively a United States dealer. I don't think they'll even ship to Canada on most items, unfortunately.
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#1352751 - 01/18/10 04:08 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: AnotherSchmoe]
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I've discovered another Korg, any views and info would be greatfully received. The DP in question is the Korg LP350, its a good price in the UK.

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#1352772 - 01/18/10 04:41 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: jo1111]
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Originally Posted By: jo1111
Thanks very much for that, I look forward to hearing how you enjoy your new p155. I assume one can get a 'proper' stand etc for it....

I visited a local piano shop on Saturday, he had yamaha and rolands. Rolands sound pretty good, anyone know how they compare to CLPs etc. So much more expensive than buying off the net though. eg clp320 on net £850 in shop 1200 and something!!!!

I didn't see a p155 but tried a p85, not so bad, but not much umph! soundwise, I guess the p155 would be much better, in touch as well as sound?...


Yamaha's LP140 stand is a perfect match for the P155. Screws to the bottom. Works well unless you need to move the piano, then you will want the x-stand. It's reasonable to own both stands

Yes the P155 is better and some of the CLPs are even better. But it seems that the price double for each increment of quality. Same as for bicycles and cameras. That last 2% costs as much as the other 98. The reason is that the engineers use the easy and cheap tricks first.

The P155 plays loud enough but you really need speakers 10" to 12" diameter to make any serious noise or bass sound.

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#1354349 - 01/20/10 06:07 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: jo1111]
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Originally Posted By: jo1111
Thanks very much for that, I look forward to hearing how you enjoy your new p155.


Alrighty, my P-155 came in yesterday and I absolutely adore it. It's so much better than my old acoustic (which was basically a piece of firewood). All of the sounds are really good, the grand piano sounds are especially realistic sounding (to my ears). You can customize the sound a LOT just by playing with various settings (adjust tuning pitch, change reverb type, adjust reverb depth, change brilliance, layer sounds, split sounds, adjust damper resonance depth, and some other stuff) to get it sounding just the way you want. I found that by playing with the settings I could make it sound like an alright digital piano without much depth to it or like a thundering grand piano in a big auditorium, or just about anything in-between. There are a lot of ways to fine tune the sound using the function buttons and by holding down the reverb button (to adjust the reverb depth). All of this is with headphones on though, the onboard speakers don't do the sound samples enough justice, but with decent headphones the sounds can really pack a punch if you get the settings to a place where you like them.

So really, the only thing that doesn't impress me about it are the built-in speakers, they're enough for a small room playing alone, but don't expect them to amaze you, the built-in speakers don't do the awesome sound samples much justice (it all sounds slightly muffled from the speakers IMO), for that nice crisp (or big booming) sound you need to plug in a decent pair of headphones or a better speaker system. Other than that, I think it's fantastic! Just be sure to get a dust cover for whatever you decide to get as the Yamaha P-xxx line of pianos don't have sliding key covers and you don't want dust building up in it when you aren't using it.

My auxiliary cables from Amazon haven't arrived yet, but as soon as they do I'll try and get a recording up for you (using the line-in on my computer). I could just use a microphone but that would distort the sound quality so I'm not going to bother.
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#1354661 - 01/21/10 09:07 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: AnotherSchmoe]
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Thanks for the info, glad you are enjoying your new piano so much.

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