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#656955 - 01/23/08 06:17 PM Which Yamaha Clavinova
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Hi All
I am looking to buy a Yamaha Clavinova off of ebay.
There is a CLP 360, CLP810S, CLP 155, CLP411, CVP 30 and a CVP 55 all for the same price range.
Despite my best efforts to look for descriptions of these models I cannot find anything.
So, do you guys have any recommendations as to which would be best to buy (or even an order of best to worst?)
I am brand new to pianos and want a digital piano that has a full keyboard, touch sensitivity, and scope for me to improve in the future (in whatever direction that may be)
Thanks to anyone who may offer help and guidence.

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#656956 - 01/23/08 11:20 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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check product history first, and don't bother with anything more than 8 years old:

http://www.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/chron.php

if you must choose, get the latest one from the list.

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#656957 - 01/24/08 12:45 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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#656958 - 01/24/08 09:25 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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The Clp-270 is amazing if you have the money. Speakers are amazing (better than the grandpiano versions). The 280 is much more expensive for the same touch and sound (beside wood layers on the side of the white keys).

Anyway, it's quite a good feeling to own one of those. ;\)
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#656959 - 01/25/08 05:04 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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I wouldn't buy any of those models. You would be much better off looking at a brand new digital piano. Yamaha and Casio both do decent entry level models for just a few hundred pounds, and you'd be getting a brand new instrument.

Also, you can audition these in advance and pick the model you like best rather than taking a punt in the dark on eBay.

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#656960 - 01/25/08 11:21 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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how one can help you without knowing how much you want to spend on a piano and how you gonna to use it? without knowing this i find it impossible to suggest anything.

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#656961 - 01/25/08 12:07 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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he must be looking at something cheap but in home piano form. so, the newest CLP and better ones might not be within his reach.

magic number or not, the point is that DP technology has advanced quickly in past 10 years so that those old models, no matter how good condition they might be in, are really outdated too much from the DP technolody point of view, and not worth much of considering, despite how cheap their price may be.

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#656962 - 01/25/08 01:56 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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I guess the question is, is a cheap current digital piano better than a state of the art, flagship 8 year old piano?

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#656963 - 01/25/08 02:51 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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And the answer is yes IMHO.

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#656964 - 01/26/08 05:58 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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HI

Thanks for all your help guys.

My situation is that I am just moving house so money is obviously fairly tight.
My thoughts were to get a cheapish piano for 6-8 months and if I get on well with playing, to upgrade to a newer version towards the end of the year.

My budget is only about £430 and I haven't seen a new piano for this range. However, by Oct I should be able to afford up to £1000. I just don't want to wait till latter year to start learning.

Would it be detrimental to learn on a 10yr out of date piano and then try switching to one which is more realistic to playing a piano?

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#656965 - 01/26/08 06:57 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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You can get a Yahama P85 for £425 online from Chamberlain Music.

An excellent starter piano whcih would do you for quite a while I think.

You can also get a 76 key NP30 for just £159.

http://www.chamberlainmusic.com/results.asp?cat=KBPORT

Both brand new, bang up to date and with a warranty.

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#656966 - 01/26/08 07:28 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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Someone mentioned Korg SP250 which sells for under 500 pounds in UK: http://www.absolutemusic.co.uk/shop/view_product.php?product=korsp250b

I would take this without looking back. I know a young Italian student from conservatorium who is earning some pennies to his tight student budget by playing in a restaurant of my friend. He uses exactly SP250 for this and plays mostly classic. When I asked him (as a professional musician) he told me SP250 would be more than fine DP. I also hear this piano in action very often as I pop to this place from time to time and all I can say SP250 is excellent choice on a tight budget. I tried it only once there when Mario was not playing and SP250 sounded great.

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#656967 - 01/26/08 07:33 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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you also may like to check cheaper Yamaha and Casio PX200 which offers newer keybed and 128 polyphony for a modest price.

i also would not think about throwing away 400 pounds on the old piano because digitals depreciate so fast in price while reselling a newer model will be easier in case you decide to upgrade.

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#656968 - 01/26/08 01:33 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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Would you think it would be worth spending a bit more and buying a Clavinova 201 or should I stick with something like a new Korg or Yamaha P85?

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#656969 - 01/26/08 07:43 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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it seems that CVP201 is not a bad choice, which has GH action at least better than GHS on P85. they all have 64 polyphony. if that price is close to what you're willing to spend or to that of P85, then it would be good. but be sure you check out the condition of that CVP201 and play it before deciding.

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#656970 - 01/26/08 08:39 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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i have no idea about CVP201, sounds like the old model before CVP301 and 401?

it is your choice, try them out and decide. i personally would wait or pick a new model right away , but this is me.

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#656971 - 01/27/08 12:57 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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imho, it is not wise to buy something "temporary" and hope to upgrade to something better later. If you are serious about playing piano (even if a total beginner like myself) it is best to buy the best (and that means the most expensive, sadly) thing in the world so that you conentrate on learning to play and not on thinking whether you made the right choice.

This basically means you should get Yamaha Clavinova CLP-280 now \:\)
Or, if there is just NO WAY for your budget to stretch to £2259 then go for CLP-270 or as an absolute minimum CLP-240. Many may think I am joking (as even CLP-240 is such a fine piano that should suit even an intermediate/advanced player really). But I am not. I give you a good advice with the view of a very dangerous syndrome --- the gear acquisition one.

There is an ancient saying in the East --- There is nothing cheaper than the most expensive stuff (the moral being --- you won't need to spend more on buying something better).

Also, I don't recommend you to buy it via ebay. Although I am a very old ebay user and buy (and sometimes even sell) a lot via ebay, the pianos are different in that ebay is not the best place to buy them from. (Mind you, I sold my DGX-620 via ebay recently).

The best prices on CLP-280 PE at the moment (in the UK) are from Chappel of Bond Street (£2259) and Turnkey.co.uk (£2200 if you point Chappell's price out to them). Get CLP-280 and enjoy your learning to play (and forget about shopping for a "better" DP for a long time as there is none \:\)

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#656972 - 01/27/08 12:16 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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Tigran, I think you are kidding but please have some respect for people whose pockets are not that deep like yours.

Seriously I would say for utmost budget piano I would consider Casio PX200, 320 and 720.

For entry level DP I would look at Yami CLP220 or (if more pennies) CLP230. Alternatives could be Roland HP201 which is very nice for the money and is close in key and sound to HP203 but lacks a few gimmicks.

Of course for serious snobs (like Tigran) :p I would recommend either HP207 or CLP280 (or CLP270 if you do not mind missing wooden keys). Believe me, wooden keys do not mean you get a real piano key feel. If in doubt then go to a shop and try top of the line DP alongside with real grands from Yami or Steinway. I did it and that erased all my illusions.

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#656973 - 01/27/08 12:37 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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I was both kidding and serious. The serious part is that, indeed, buying a more expensive item (not just in DP, in other areas too) often turns out to be more economical at the end. But the kidding part was "you have to get CLP-280 [_specifically_]". Of course there are several other fine DPs out there --- e.g. Roland HP-207, Kawai CA-91 (and 71) and probably many others I haven't tried. It would be foolish to seriously insist that CLP-280 is the _only_ good DP. But of all those I tried I liked CLP-280 best.

And I do understand that getting wooden keys (especially only _white_ wooden keys) doesn't make a DP equal to an acoustic grand. I only got CLP-280 (as opposed to 270) because it subjectively _felt_ better/easier to play, that's all \:\)

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#656974 - 01/27/08 12:37 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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Same thing happened to me. I tried a CLP280 and bought a real acoustic upright instead. No comparison, not even close.

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#656975 - 01/27/08 12:41 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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Btw, I completely agree with you on PX-720 but I would add PX-800 to the list (except for those rumours of wobbly black keys...) and, for a bit more money, AP-500. I haven't tried any of these Casio but judging from the specs in their manuals they do have almost everything I would desire of a DP (except different temperaments and ability to have a custom temperament).

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#656976 - 01/27/08 12:48 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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Tirgan, sorry for pulling your leg, this is Sunday anyway. CLP280 is of course a Maserati among digital pianos so I agree if one has pennies it makes every sense to consider this model. Of course you get what you pay for, so I would not compare PX800 to CLP280 or even 230.
However one may be surprised with Casio which managed to pull a few excellent models for people on the budget.

It's all about the budget, damn thing \:D

but I agree with you that it makes no sense buy cheap things with a hope of upgrading in future. a penny-pinching person often pays twice.

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#656977 - 01/27/08 12:55 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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Glasweg, agree and not agree. a proper acoustic is of course superior but it also needs space and is heavy to move around. For some people like me this is a problem because I do not want bulky things around unless I get a spacious mansion. I kicked out a century old piano (300 kilos weight) all wood because this was taking space and was impossible to tune. I like the design and feel of an acoustic but I realized digital piano convenience. Surely for a hobby or just for basic learning DP is more than enough. I would buy an acoustic only if my daughter or me are serious into playing piano, otherwise makes no sense.

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#656978 - 01/27/08 01:05 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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Glasweg, besides a proper acoustic starts from 4-5k for which you can get top of the line DP. just an opinion.

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#656979 - 01/27/08 01:08 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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I paid £3K for my brand new upright, only £700 more than a CLP280.

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#656980 - 01/27/08 04:58 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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£3K is about 4K eur and 700£ is 945 eur. this is NOT a small difference i guess. also this depends which brand you took for the upright, Yami or smth else. i doubt you could get some renowned European brand like Bechstein for this money.

anyway, i would not argue that on average a good DP will be always cheaper than a good upright, plus DP gives you durability and compactness which you do not have with an acoustic. if in doubt try move around your room a 200 kilo upright and then a 70 kilo CLP280. :p

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#656981 - 01/28/08 10:25 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova
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A DP more durable than an acoustic?

That's a new one on me!!

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#1349376 - 01/14/10 01:04 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: Glaswegian]
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Hi I hope I'm doing this post in the right place. I noticed in the conversation above the mention of a clavinova clp360. Now, I have one of these, I bought it in early 1992. At the time I believe it was Yamaha's entry level full 88 key digital piano, with a real weighted feel. I can't remember what they called the technology at the time, but I remember in the store they had about 6 keys held together in a perspex case showing the mechanism. It has served me well, it is is good nick apart from for some reason middle g has sunk a couple of milimetres out of allignemnt with the other keys, irritating sometimes, but not a real problem. Anyway I am now thinking of getting a new one and I'm guessing that virtually whatever I get will sound better than the old 360 - given 20 years on. I'm wondering if the feel will be as good too. I would like to get the YDP 140, (mainly because of limited buget, )would that feel as good as the old 360, does anyone know if this part of the technology has improved as much as the sounds etc. Any feedback would be very helpful, and do not hesitate to ask for further clarification. Thanks. J.

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#1349396 - 01/14/10 01:23 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: jo1111]
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I would also like to add I would also like to get the Korg SP250 as it seems to be well thought of, but I really don't like the tubular stand. Do they do a different stand for this? thanks, J.

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#1349397 - 01/14/10 01:24 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: zebeddy]
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Originally Posted By: zebeddy
Thanks to anyone who may offer help and guidence.

Welcome to the crying game.

Buy the newest most expensive DP you can. But wait a couple of months to see what shakes out of NAMM (which is starting today).

If you can't afford anything that doesn't have obvious looping I'd recommend you get a decent controller and go the PC route.
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#1349410 - 01/14/10 01:39 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: dewster]
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Thanks, but I've tried the computer route with seriously good sounds, but it did not work for me, something about where the sound actually comes from, I think. Anyway, I now am on really limited buget, hence my suggestions above. But thanks so much for the input. J.

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#1349487 - 01/14/10 02:53 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: jo1111]
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Let's try to get back to the OP's question
Originally Posted By: zebeddy
CLP360, CLP810S, CLP155, CLP411, CVP30 and a CVP55

Signa gives good advice about checking on the age of these units.
http://www.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/chron.php

But I don't necessarily agree on his 8 year limit. There were some excellent Yamaha's that came out during 1998 thru 2001, the CLP800 and 900 series. If you can find one of those (from among the top-of-line models, CLP970 or 990, CLP860 or 880) for a **low** price, it would be a nice choice.

But among most other "oldies", I'd have to agree with Signa. Stay away. (I didn't look, but I'm guessing that most of your ebay-listed models are way older?)

As for waiting for NAMM, I wouldn't bother. In your price range (£430, or $700), you can currently find a decent slab, but nothing special. What will NAMM bring? A **new** crop of decent slabs ... but no decent consoles. Not in that price range.

You mentioned maybe having more money (£1000, or $1600) sometime soon. For that amount of money, you can get a good new console ... many choices. But, in that range you might also find a fair selection of used models. If you could find a used CLP270/280 in that price range, get it.


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#1349506 - 01/14/10 03:04 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: MacMacMac]
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If I gave the impression that I will have more money later, then I apologise, that was my mistake or lack of clarity with my writing. No, 'fraid not. No more money coming, I am stuck with a cheapy. The essence of what I need to know is, will the ydp140 or korg sp250 be better than my old clp 360, given it is 20 years old. Thanks for your input, J.

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#1349537 - 01/14/10 03:40 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: jo1111]
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Originally Posted By: jo1111
...I get will sound better than the old 360 - given 20 years on. I'm wondering if the feel will be as good too. I would like to get the YDP 140, (mainly because of limited buget, )would that feel as good as the old 360


Simple answer: "No."

The YDP140 uses what Yamaha calls "GHS" key action and it's a step down from what you have now. However any Yamaha with "GH" action would be as good or better than what you have. So that would be the P155, YDP160, YDP223 or any CLP.
If cost is an issue the P155 is priced lower than a YDP140.

Sound has improved a lot and will get better but any of the above pianos is so much better than what was available 20 years ago. Of the above, the P155 is the newest and so has the newest (as of 2009) sound technology but eh ydp223 has far better speakers and will play louder with more dynamic range.



Edited by ChrisA (01/14/10 03:41 PM)

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#1349638 - 01/14/10 05:33 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: ChrisA]
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Thanks ChrisA, brilliant! That is just the info I needed, I will look at the models you suggest, or indeed any models with GH. The keyboard action is essentially the issue. Any thoughts about the Korg? J.

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#1349689 - 01/14/10 06:34 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: jo1111]
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Originally Posted By: jo1111
Thanks ChrisA, brilliant! That is just the info I needed, I will look at the models you suggest, or indeed any models with GH. The keyboard action is essentially the issue. Any thoughts about the Korg? J.


I was unable to find a Korg SP250 to try. I even contacted Korg USA sales department and asked for help.

People say sp250 is pretty good for the price but I would have had to order one on-line sight unseen.

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#1349940 - 01/14/10 10:48 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: ChrisA]
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Originally Posted By: ChrisA
Originally Posted By: jo1111
...I get will sound better than the old 360 - given 20 years on. I'm wondering if the feel will be as good too. I would like to get the YDP 140, (mainly because of limited buget, )would that feel as good as the old 360



If cost is an issue the P155 is priced lower than a YDP140.




The YDP-140 actually averages around $150 less than the P-155 I believe.

Anyways, the P-155 has smaller speakers and less in the way of a cabinet but it has similar stats to the CLP-340 in terms of sample layers, polyphony, key-off samples, sustain sampling, damper resonance etc. I think the only significant differences between the P-155 and the much more expensive CLP-340 are that the CLP-340 has a GH3 keyboard as opposed to just GH and it has bigger internal speakers, furniture cabinet, key cover etc.

If the speakers prove too small on the P-155 you could always hook up a pair of headphones or an amp. Personally, I was wanting a CLP-340 but decided to save $1,000 and just settle on the P-155 after reading how much alike they are in terms of technology and sound sampling etc., mine should be here on Tuesday (can't wait!). I can live without all the cabinetry and bigger speakers etc. for that much of a price difference, mine's just going to be in a small bedroom anyways.

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#1351691 - 01/17/10 05:12 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: AnotherSchmoe]
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Thanks very much for that, I look forward to hearing how you enjoy your new p155. I assume one can get a 'proper' stand etc for it. I don't like the 'X' type very much.

I visited a local piano shop on Saturday, he had yamaha and rolands. Rolands sound pretty good, anyone know how they compare to CLPs etc. So much more expensive than buying off the net though. eg clp320 on net £850 in shop 1200 and something!!!!

I didn't see a p155 but tried a p85, not so bad, but not much umph! soundwise, I guess the p155 would be much better, in touch as well as sound?

Still wondering if anyone has any views about the Korg sp250.

Thanks again all for your interest and input.

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#1351709 - 01/17/10 06:04 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: jo1111]
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jo1111:
I don't much care for X-stands either, I ordered my P-155 as part of a package-deal that includes a sturdier looking stand for it, as well as a bench etc.

Here's the page I ordered from so you can see what it all looks like (I have nothing to gain from posting this link so please don't think I'm advertising):
http://www.kraftmusic.com/catalog/keyboards/88keykeyboards/index.asp?product=7140

Once it comes in I'll let you know what I think of it. I don't have much experience with digital pianos so I won't be able to give you any comparison to other models, but I'll be sure to give you my impressions of it regardless. I'll try and get a couple recordings up too once I get everything figured out. For now I'm stuck playing the waiting game as my new piano bravely treks it's way across 600 miles of open country. Oh what fun, hehe. sleep

Oh well, I'm sure I'll be dancing around squealing like a giddy schoolgirl once the UPS guy shows up at my door. I've been making do with a junker for the last few years and it's high time I got a decent instrument.
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#1351717 - 01/17/10 06:22 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: AnotherSchmoe]
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that's a great deal! It works out at £830.381 - wonderful. I wonder if they do international orders - shipping would cost a fortune :-) J.

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#1351722 - 01/17/10 06:35 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: jo1111]
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Well there's no harm in emailing them and asking, the people at Kraft usually respond pretty quickly. Though I doubt they're able to for most items, I think there are dealer agreements in place regarding what countries they're allowed to sell to and while I'm not positive I'm pretty sure they're exclusively a United States dealer. I don't think they'll even ship to Canada on most items, unfortunately.
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#1352751 - 01/18/10 04:08 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: AnotherSchmoe]
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I've discovered another Korg, any views and info would be greatfully received. The DP in question is the Korg LP350, its a good price in the UK.

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#1352772 - 01/18/10 04:41 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: jo1111]
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Originally Posted By: jo1111
Thanks very much for that, I look forward to hearing how you enjoy your new p155. I assume one can get a 'proper' stand etc for it....

I visited a local piano shop on Saturday, he had yamaha and rolands. Rolands sound pretty good, anyone know how they compare to CLPs etc. So much more expensive than buying off the net though. eg clp320 on net £850 in shop 1200 and something!!!!

I didn't see a p155 but tried a p85, not so bad, but not much umph! soundwise, I guess the p155 would be much better, in touch as well as sound?...


Yamaha's LP140 stand is a perfect match for the P155. Screws to the bottom. Works well unless you need to move the piano, then you will want the x-stand. It's reasonable to own both stands

Yes the P155 is better and some of the CLPs are even better. But it seems that the price double for each increment of quality. Same as for bicycles and cameras. That last 2% costs as much as the other 98. The reason is that the engineers use the easy and cheap tricks first.

The P155 plays loud enough but you really need speakers 10" to 12" diameter to make any serious noise or bass sound.

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#1354349 - 01/20/10 06:07 PM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: jo1111]
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Originally Posted By: jo1111
Thanks very much for that, I look forward to hearing how you enjoy your new p155.


Alrighty, my P-155 came in yesterday and I absolutely adore it. It's so much better than my old acoustic (which was basically a piece of firewood). All of the sounds are really good, the grand piano sounds are especially realistic sounding (to my ears). You can customize the sound a LOT just by playing with various settings (adjust tuning pitch, change reverb type, adjust reverb depth, change brilliance, layer sounds, split sounds, adjust damper resonance depth, and some other stuff) to get it sounding just the way you want. I found that by playing with the settings I could make it sound like an alright digital piano without much depth to it or like a thundering grand piano in a big auditorium, or just about anything in-between. There are a lot of ways to fine tune the sound using the function buttons and by holding down the reverb button (to adjust the reverb depth). All of this is with headphones on though, the onboard speakers don't do the sound samples enough justice, but with decent headphones the sounds can really pack a punch if you get the settings to a place where you like them.

So really, the only thing that doesn't impress me about it are the built-in speakers, they're enough for a small room playing alone, but don't expect them to amaze you, the built-in speakers don't do the awesome sound samples much justice (it all sounds slightly muffled from the speakers IMO), for that nice crisp (or big booming) sound you need to plug in a decent pair of headphones or a better speaker system. Other than that, I think it's fantastic! Just be sure to get a dust cover for whatever you decide to get as the Yamaha P-xxx line of pianos don't have sliding key covers and you don't want dust building up in it when you aren't using it.

My auxiliary cables from Amazon haven't arrived yet, but as soon as they do I'll try and get a recording up for you (using the line-in on my computer). I could just use a microphone but that would distort the sound quality so I'm not going to bother.
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#1354661 - 01/21/10 09:07 AM Re: Which Yamaha Clavinova [Re: AnotherSchmoe]
jo1111 Offline
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Registered: 06/08/09
Posts: 17
Thanks for the info, glad you are enjoying your new piano so much.

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