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#660399 - 10/25/08 09:35 AM About Yamaha's new Pure-CF sampling
Copilot Offline
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Registered: 11/10/07
Posts: 262
Loc: Belgium, Europe
I am a very happy owner of a Yamaha CLP-240.

Now that the new CLP-3xx series are available not only in Europe but also in the USA, i was wondering if anybody can comment on the new PURE CF-samples.

For me the the "older" 3-step Dynamic Stereosampling in the CLP-240 is already very good, so what about the new Pure-CF 4-step Dynamic Stereosampling in the new CLP-340 or 370.

(I don't mean the flagship CLP-380 with it's 5-step sampling, string resonance and the amazing but expensive IAFC-system, 87 Watt tri-amplification and multiple speakersystem.)

If you listen with the standard 2x40 Watt amplicication (CLP-340/370) with (16 cm + 5 cm) x 2 speakers OR still better: through good headphones:

Are the samples really (much) better?
I mean: can you hear a substantial difference or are they "slightly" better?
And in what way are they better?

Maybe somebody had the chance to compare the new (3xx) and older (2xx) samples side by side ?
Maybe somebody can post some recordings of old and new ?

Thanks

;\)
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I love my dark rosewood Yamaha CLP-240. She's as honest with me as a loyal dog but she sounds better.

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#660400 - 10/25/08 10:02 AM Re: About Yamaha's new Pure-CF sampling
Glaswegian Offline
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Registered: 08/05/07
Posts: 278
Loc: Glasgow, Scotland
I was playing lots of them today while picking up a book for my daughter in Stirling, and while I definitely prefered the the 300 series over the 200 series (the 200's they had were a 230 and a 240), I wouldn't say they would knock you out if you're an existing CLP240 owner.

I just thought that overall, in each area they were a little better. The sounded a little better, felt a little better etc. so overall I prefered them over the 200's.

The one that's now top of my shopping list is the CLP370. It felt and sounded pretty much the same as the 380 I played and at £1,000 cheaper is the perfect one for me for my second piano.

The 200's are still excellent instruments, and now the 300's are here are available for real bargain prices so are also worth a serious look.

Just need to find some money from somewhere.

Anyone looking to buy a nearly new FP-7??? \:D

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#660401 - 10/29/08 02:24 AM Re: About Yamaha's new Pure-CF sampling
Prince Charles Offline
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Registered: 05/19/08
Posts: 180
Loc: London
Hi Copilot

Whilst I can't give you an answer on this...

I would be very interested to hear what you think once you do get a chance to try a 340.

Let us know...

Mark

ps If I do get a chance to try a 240....I'll let you know. But my feeling is you'd have a "better" ear for the difference.

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#660402 - 10/31/08 12:50 PM Re: About Yamaha's new Pure-CF sampling
Copilot Offline
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Registered: 11/10/07
Posts: 262
Loc: Belgium, Europe
-Ok Prince Charles, as soon as i find one i 'll let you know.

-Glaswegian, you said the 370 sounded pretty much like the 380 in spite of it's 2x40 Watt amplicication with (16 cm + 5 cm) x 2 speakers against the (35W + 20W + 20W) x 2 + 12W x 2 tri-amp system + IAFC and /16" + 3 1/8" + 1" (dome)) x 2 + 3 1/8" x 2 speakers of the 380.
Did you listen through headphones, or did you hear the speakers?

Look what i found about the CLP-370 on the: USA Yamaha web site:

OR it's a mistake, OR the USA version is different from the European:

60W x 2 + 20W x 2 (USA) versus 40W x 2 (Europe)
50 sampling banks (USA) versus 30 (Europe)

The rest seems to be the same. ( same speakers, no IAFC, no String resonance)

So if this is true, the USA 370 is a bit closer to the USA 380 than the European versions in amplification and sampling banks?


Anybody else been able to compare the new Pure CF CLP-3xx samples and older CLP-2xx samples side by side ?

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#660403 - 11/01/08 07:35 AM Re: About Yamaha's new Pure-CF sampling
Glaswegian Offline
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Registered: 08/05/07
Posts: 278
Loc: Glasgow, Scotland
I was listening through speakers, but I didn't have it turned up particularly loud, and to me there was little to no difference between the two.

I'm sure that when you want more volume then the speakers on the 380 will make a difference, but for me sitting at a piano playing for just me, there is no discernable difference.

So I won't be shelling out the extra £1,000 for the 380, I'll be perfectly happy buying a 370.

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#660404 - 11/30/08 10:47 PM Re: About Yamaha's new Pure-CF sampling
Horwinkle Offline
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Registered: 09/22/08
Posts: 1011
 Quote:
Originally posted by Glaswegian:
So I won't be shelling out the extra £1,000 for the 380, I'll be perfectly happy buying a 370. [/b]
I can't blame you for not wanting the spend an extra £1,000 ($1500) on the 380. (But the 380 is a much better unit.)

You might consider a CLP-280. It's specs are mostly better than the 370, and it might be cheaper. The 280 is out of production and might be found at a clearance price.

Note that there's only a small difference between a 270 and 280, but there's a HUGH difference between the 370 and 380.

That is, the 270 was **almost** as good as the 280. But the new 370 does not even come close to the 380. (New marketing tactics?)

That's why I'd recommend the 280 over the 370.

Here's the rundown (280 vs. 370) ...

Both have 128 polyphony, 50 sampling banks, 3 pedals, dual 60w+20w amps, 4 dynamic steps, stereo sustain samples, key-off sampling, reverb, chorus/effect, brilliance, dual, split, dynamic damper effect.

The newer 370 beats the 280 in just two categories. It has pure CF sampling (opinions anyone?) and a LAN connection (which has no value for me, YMMV). The older 280 has neither of these features.

But the 280 has a long list of features that beat the 370 ...
The 280 has string resonance. The 370 does not.
The 280 has XG. The 370 does not.
The 280 has iAFC. The 370 does not.
The 280 has the natural wood keyboard. The 370 does not.
The 280 has an LCD display. The 370 has the simpler LED display.
The 280 has 4 speakers on each side. The 370 has only 2 on each side.

In short the 280 is much better (IMO). If I had the money to spend on a higher-end unit, I'd look carefully for a deal on a 280.

Just my HO \:\)

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#660405 - 12/01/08 02:01 AM Re: About Yamaha's new Pure-CF sampling
hjosef Offline
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Registered: 11/03/08
Posts: 11
Loc: Bogor, Indonesia
lhorwinkle,

reading you comparation between CLP-370 and CLP-280,
i think i agree with you.

in Indonesia with 1 USD = 10,000 IDR, the listed price for CLP-370 = USD 2200 and for CLP-280 = USD 1865.

i am not sure yet to buy which digital piano, better wait for next year or next two years.
hopefully i can afford those high end CLP-280.

the CLP-380 is not sold in Indonesia.

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#660406 - 12/01/08 09:31 AM Re: About Yamaha's new Pure-CF sampling
Horwinkle Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/22/08
Posts: 1011
 Quote:
Originally posted by hjosef:
in Indonesia ... the listed price for CLP-370 = USD 2200 and for CLP-280 = USD 1865.[/b]
So the 280 is cheaper than the 370? Go for it! (I wish I could get those prices here in the US!)
 Quote:
better wait for next year or next two years. hopefully i can afford those high end CLP-280.[/b]
Don't wait for long. The 200-series is out of production.

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#660407 - 12/01/08 11:30 AM Re: About Yamaha's new Pure-CF sampling
nordic Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 11/30/08
Posts: 3
Loc: Finland
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in Indonesia with 1 USD = 10,000 IDR, the listed price for CLP-370 = USD 2200 and for CLP-280 = USD 1865.

WOW! If 280 is sold at the same price in Finland, I would have got it without any hesitation! Here 370 is still lot cheaper than 280. Here the 280 is 3590 USD, while 370 is 3090 USD. Well I could get 370 still some hundreds cheaper from a web-based European dealer, too bad that 280 is no longer available from there.

Everything is so expensive here. \:\(

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#660408 - 12/01/08 09:20 PM Re: About Yamaha's new Pure-CF sampling
hjosef Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 11/03/08
Posts: 11
Loc: Bogor, Indonesia
As I ever shared before, it is true the Indonesian prices are much cheaper... maybe because of the Clavinova factory is in Jakarta, so the prices do not include export/import tax and shipping cost.

But the prices are not cheap (very expensive) for Indonesian with IDR income.

1 USD = 10,000 IDR, just remove the last 000
and you will figure out that the Indonesian buying power is actually 1/10 of the American.

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