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#663544 - 06/28/04 09:12 AM Roland HP2/Yamaha PF500-my experience
helenh Offline
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Registered: 06/28/04
Posts: 47
Loc: Rangoon, Burma
Owing to potential for OS posting and end of financial year sales I traded my much loved old Yamaha upright in for a digital. Initially I bought the Roland HP-2. What I liked about this piano was its light action-very easy to play with a nice "feel", and its lovely Steinway sampled grand piano tone-very pure and limpid. In Australia we get the model with the graded progressive action, I think its different in some countries. It's a neat looking piano with a sliding keyboard cover. However after playing for several hours on it I felt, as an intermediate level classical pianist who has been playing since childhood and kept it up, that I could grow out of this piano quite quickly. The volume maxed out early on and at max volume there was some slight distortion, also the piano sounded flat through headphones. Co-incidentally that weekend the piano shop (Better Music Classic Keyboards, in Canberra, Australia) had a run-out sale including their last demo model PF500, at $1800 off rrp. I had played this model in the shop but the original price was way out of my league..
Better Music (who, BTW, come highly recommended, patient no-pressure sales, very pleasant to deal with) agreed to changeover. What I liked in this piano was its excellent speakers, and richness of sound, as well as the sheer tank-like quality of the build and the contemporary piano styling. Action was considerably heavier than the Roland, and I probably did like the lighter action better being small with small hands and weak wrists. However you can't have everything and the Yamaha is so loaded with features that the extra $900 Aus was well justified. In addition to the grand piano voices, so far I have tried the honky tonk piano for ragtime, the truly wonderful organ for Bach, the harpsichord ditto and lots more to play with.
So IMO the HP2 is a very nice piano with a good action and a really lovely piano tone. Ideally suited for beginers and early intermediates, but if you want lots of volume then you may be disappointed. I played the HP3 also and personally did not find it sounded very much better than the HP2 and the cost difference was more than I paid for the Yamaha. If I had to choose between HP2 ad HP3, at least in Australia where we get the graded action keyboard on the HP2, I would choose the HP2 as better value. HP1 sounded very thin and its touch was different, though it too is good value.
The Yamaha looks like lots of fun as soon as my hands strengthen up!

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#663545 - 07/09/04 08:46 PM Re: Roland HP2/Yamaha PF500-my experience
Kitagrl Offline
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Registered: 06/29/04
Posts: 95
So you like the PF500 alot then? I am really looking at buying that one but am not sure if I should go the extra $600 USD over the YDP223. The heavier action sounds nice as I want my fingers to get a workout and want it to feel like a piano. Any other positive or negatives on this model would be appreciated!

#663546 - 07/09/04 09:24 PM Re: Roland HP2/Yamaha PF500-my experience
signa Offline
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Registered: 06/06/04
Posts: 8483
Loc: Ohio, USA
PF500 should be better (in its functionality) than YDP223 (=CLP120?), which has 128 polyphony and graded hammer action. CLP120 has probably only 64 polyphony, unless you choose CLP150 and above model. i tried CLP150/170 models and their key action is pretty good as nearly as an accoustic piano's, and they have bigger powered speaker system (50w?) than PF500's (30w speakers). CLP150/170 may cost more than PF500 ($2000-$2200) because of their cabinet look.

#663547 - 07/10/04 12:13 AM Re: Roland HP2/Yamaha PF500-my experience
Dave Horne Offline
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Registered: 07/07/04
Posts: 5293
Loc: Vught, The Netherlands
I'm new to this forum, but if you find a piano that you like but the internal amp is a tad underpowered, you could always invest in a pair of small powered speakers.

Also, yo check out prices to see how your store compares to otheres, you can go to Froogle - a subset of Google.


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#663548 - 07/12/04 06:06 AM Re: Roland HP2/Yamaha PF500-my experience
helenh Offline
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Registered: 06/28/04
Posts: 47
Loc: Rangoon, Burma
After a couple of weeks playing the PF500 I am a convert. My hands are strengthening up nicely and the action feels natural. I am growing to love the grand piano 1 tone and the harpsichord voice(s) as well as the tutti organ voice-great to rip out the Toccata and Fugue in D minor, or will be when I can play it properly. I understand the PF500 is a CLP 150 in a stage piano like format, though it is more attractive and larger than a pure stage piano and for those who do gigs probably more cumbersome, not that I know anything about that. I did not really want the cabinet style despite having had an acoustic piano before. Difficult to comment on price differences between the two formats because I got such a good deal on mine, being a runout at the end of the financial year.
The XG voices are fun , though varying in quality, and I have hours of exploring ahead of me. The sound system seems to push out quite enough sound for my small living room.
The voice settings are enormously versatile can alter pitch, reverb setting, sustain strength, tuning etc. If you are prevaricating, go for the model you can grow into. I have played for hours. Good luck!


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