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#670046 - 09/26/05 11:40 AM Yamaha PF500 vs P120
brownie Offline
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Registered: 12/14/04
Posts: 11
We are looking for a piano for our two young daughters (9 & 6) that will soon be starting piano lessons. The Yamaha PF500 costs $1000 more than the P120. However, it does have the three pedals and 128 notes of polyphony. As I do not play piano at all, is PF500 worth the extra money? Which one of these would be a better practice piano for my girls ? I would like them to have the feel and touch of playing on a real piano. Or should we look at the more expensive Clavinova series? Thanks.

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#670047 - 09/26/05 01:05 PM Re: Yamaha PF500 vs P120
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i have pf500, and definitely consider it worth what it costs. also, consider your situation, pf500 would be better than p120 because it has 3-pedal set which is similar to an acoustic piano's and it looks more like an upright than p120. with pf500 if your daughters are going to lessons at teacher's, they would feel comfortable with teacher's acoustic piano as well.

pf500 is good enough to learn piano playing on, but high end of CLP series would be better of course (with GH3 keyboard action which is closer to acoustic action then GH action on pf500) if you don't mind of spending extra money.

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#670048 - 09/26/05 03:01 PM Re: Yamaha PF500 vs P120
kbdguy Offline
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Registered: 04/13/04
Posts: 78
Loc: Pennsylvania
You may want to take into consideration that the PF500 is on its way out as it is due to be replaced in the line sometime soon.
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#670049 - 09/26/05 03:37 PM Re: Yamaha PF500 vs P120
brownie Offline
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Registered: 12/14/04
Posts: 11
Thanks for the comments. Have been reading up on the forum. What about the new CLP-230? It's about the same price as the pf500 but with the GH3 action which is suppose to be better.

Found this CVP-203 on craigslist asking for $2350. Is this a fair deal? What do you guys think?
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#670050 - 09/26/05 04:04 PM Re: Yamaha PF500 vs P120
signa Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by kbdguy:
You may want to take into consideration that the PF500 is on its way out as it is due to be replaced in the line sometime soon. [/b]
do you have some inside info on that? when are they going to have an upgrade on PF500? how soon is that?

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#670051 - 09/26/05 04:07 PM Re: Yamaha PF500 vs P120
signa Offline
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Registered: 06/06/04
Posts: 8483
Loc: Ohio, USA
 Quote:
Originally posted by brownie:
Thanks for the comments. Have been reading up on the forum. What about the new CLP-230? It's about the same price as the pf500 but with the GH3 action which is suppose to be better. [/b]
the big difference between CLP230 and PF500 is GH3 vs. GH action, also 64 polyphony vs. 128 polyphony. if you only consider action, CLP230 is better, but other than that, PF500 has more stuff.

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#670052 - 09/26/05 10:03 PM Re: Yamaha PF500 vs P120
Copper Offline
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Registered: 06/17/05
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Loc: Virginia
I wonder how long a 9 & 6 year old would have to play before the differences between a PF500 and a P120 really mattered.

I wouldn't question the value of the PF500 it costs $1,000 more than the P120 and is worth it.

The looks are obviously quite different and the P120 comes with only one pedal. The technical differences are well documented on the Yamaha web site.

However for the purposes of a beginner the P120 is plenty of piano for some time - maybe a few years, maybe more. The P120 is not a piano that is so cheap that it would impair or discourage a beginner. It is also not so expensive that if you walk away from it in a year or 2 you wasted a lot of money. I guess you could say the same about the PF500, it just depends on your budget.
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#670053 - 09/26/05 10:30 PM Re: Yamaha PF500 vs P120
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Registered: 06/21/05
Posts: 374
If you are considering a P120, you may also want to take a look at the new P140 which is replacing the P120 and should be available soon in the U.S.

For your purposes, the CLP series is probably a better choice than the CVP series. Also, the CVP-203 has a GH keyboard and not a GH3 keyboard and $2,350 seems high.

I think you are in the right direction with your first two choices (P120/140 and PF500). Good luck in your selection!

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#670054 - 09/26/05 11:00 PM Re: Yamaha PF500 vs P120
pianomad Offline
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Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 309
Loc: USA
I tend to agree with Copper on whether beginners would even notice, appreciate, or take advantage of the differences between the keyboards. As a self-professed acoustic piano snob, I am extremely picky about digital pianos. I played a P120 for the very first time just last night at a benefit concert; it was loaned by a local music store. The two piano samples sounded fine (one mellow, one bright), and the action was satisfactory. I find it did not hamper my playing; I actually enjoyed it. And the 64 note polyphony was more than adequate. I put it through a rigorous workout in our short set (we were one of many playing the benefit), and it put up with my abuse. Before putting it through the house PA, I got a chance to listen to its own speakers and it was fine.

I know the allure of getting that nicer instrument. A few years ago I started learning classical guitar, and I had to fight the urge to buy that really sweet instrument. I'm glad now that I resisted. The less expensive guitar is sitting in its case in my basement untouched for months.
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#670055 - 09/27/05 10:10 AM Re: Yamaha PF500 vs P120
brownie Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 12/14/04
Posts: 11
 Quote:
Originally posted by Copper:
I wonder how long a 9 & 6 year old would have to play before the differences between a PF500 and a P120 really mattered.

However for the purposes of a beginner the P120 is plenty of piano for some time - maybe a few years, maybe more. [/b]
Thanks Copper for answering one of the questions that's in my mind. I was wondering if the P120/P140 is going to be a "good enough" piano for them for the first few years. When will they start learning to use the 3 pedals?

Good suggestions, Hawk. I will also check out the new CLP230/240. A lot of people of this forum seems to like the GH3 action. But when I went to the Yamaha dealership couple weekends ago, the salesman said he couldn't really tell the difference between the GH and the GH3 action. Maybe he was trying to push the old CLP 100 series to me. $2350 for the CVP-203 on craigslist does seem a little bit high. It probably has a lot of extra functions that my girls won't be able to use for years to come.

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#670056 - 09/27/05 11:18 PM Re: Yamaha PF500 vs P120
hawk85 Offline
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Registered: 06/21/05
Posts: 374
Yamaha currently has a $100 rebate for the P120/P120S. Please see the following topic for more information:

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/6/1368.html

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