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#670713 - 12/27/04 06:35 PM Roland vs Yamaha
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At the risk of starting another brand war - I'm in the market for a digital piano. I've narrowed them down to Roland and Yamaha. I have yet to see or test any Yamahas and a local shop carries Roland.

They have the RD-170 in stock and will have an FP-2 set up tomorrow. I plan to take a drive to see if I can locate some Yamahas (P-series).

I like the fact that I can purchase the Rolands locally and they will sell the FP-2 with stand for $1100 (US), so I'm tempted ...

But I think I should try out the Yamahas (P-90 or 120). So any thoughts on the Roland FP-2 or RD-170
vs the Yamaha P-60 or P-90?

FWIW I'm currently practicing on a Baldwin Acrosonic which is a console piano. My main goal for the digital is for the keyboard to feel right for the purpose of learning to play (I'm still a beginner after 3 years). I'd like it to sound like a piano, but the feel is more important.

Thank you,

Kevin

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#670714 - 12/27/04 06:39 PM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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#670715 - 12/27/04 09:00 PM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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Yep, Yamaha digital pianos are great, and in my opinion, better than Roland's, Korg's and Casio's.
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#670716 - 12/28/04 05:59 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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These sweeping generalizations are ridiculous! Is anyone really saying that a Yamaha P60 is better than a Roland RD700? Let's compare apples-to-apples. It's not responsible to say that Yamaha is better than Roland unless you've played each and every model at every price point and have the same opinion. I seriously doubt that is the case.
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#670717 - 12/28/04 06:06 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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#670718 - 12/28/04 06:21 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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Anyone who thinks a P60 is better than an RD700 needs professional help.
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#670719 - 12/28/04 06:24 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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#670720 - 12/28/04 08:08 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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personally, i like Yamaha. you should try all brands yourself though and see what you like.

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#670721 - 12/28/04 10:43 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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Originally posted by JazzP120:
No, see, that is where you are wrong. If someone wants to think that the P60 is better than the RD700, then fine, let it be. It's there preference, and that can't be changed.[/b]
So how long have you worked for Yamaha?

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#670722 - 12/28/04 10:56 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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Yamaha is terribly overrated, but then all the cheap digital pianos are pretty crappy. Wait until January for newer models.
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#670723 - 12/28/04 11:22 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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When did I say that a P60 is better than a Roland that it's on another more expensive piano line and that clearly has more features? With your reasoning you could have also assumed that with my post I might be talking about one of those Yamaha digitals that has a cabinet shaped like a baby grand, which is probably better than the Roland you talk about.

Another thing: don't put words in my mouth, OK Steve? And those kinds of expressions that I need professional help and similar sentences, just keep them to yourself. I have never disrespected anyone here, and I expect the same towards me. Are we clear, Steve?

I have tried a lot of digital pianos and synths, but digital piano wise, I truly think that Yamaha's are better than the other brands like Korg and Roland. All these opinions of mine are out of experience with the gear I have owned, or played at a friend's studio and by playing the synths and digital pianos of several keyboard players that I'm also friends with. For what is worth, synth wise, I preffer Korg and Clavia.
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#670724 - 12/28/04 04:07 PM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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Whoa! I really didn't mean to start a brand war ... really!

I took a trip to a Guitar Center today - wow what an education. I'm actually a bit numb now.

Here's what I looked at:

Roland:
FP-2
FP-5
RD-170

Yamaha
P-60
P-90
P-120

I actually started at a local shop that had to assemble a Roland FP-2. The intriguing thing about this is they had it for $1100 with the stand! They also had a RD170 for comparison ($1000 US). Personally I liked the feel of the RD170 better but the size and weight are an issue,
I also had trouble playing the left hand "lightly" (this may be due to it being up on a shelf). In comparison the FP-2 felt kind of cheap (now please don't start throwing any rotten fruit my way - this is just my opinion; little smiley face here).

Next I drove 30+ mile to a Guitar Center - wow, talk about acoustic mayhem. Anyway, they had all the keyboards that I've read about. I personally liked the feel of the Yamahas better. They also had a Roland FP-5 which (personally) I liked better than the FP-2. The FP-2 was $1300 (US) and the FP-5 was $1400 - which is frankly, beyond my price range.

The Yamahas - price-wise the P-90 is as high as I should go. The lack of speakers shouldn't be an issue since the logic behind the digital is a practice piano (nights, at work, etc.). The portability of the P-90 is somewhat better (smaller/lighter). In reality the P-60 may be all I need. Any additioanl thoughts on the P-60?

My other questions: are the "actions" on the P60, P-90 and P-120 the same? Is the P-90 the same piano as the P-120 less speakers?

On the Rolands - I'm a bit surprised that the RD-170 is less expensive than the FP-2 - am I missing something? Are the actions on the FP-2 and FP-5 that different? How about the RD-170?

Keep in mind that I'm still a beginner, so "testing" digital pianos is a bit ... interesting.

Thank you,

Kevin

p.s. Roland and Yamaha BOTH make great pianos ;-)

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#670725 - 12/28/04 04:27 PM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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#670726 - 12/28/04 07:11 PM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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if you could afford P90, then don't bother with P60. it's always good to go with the best you can buy.

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#670727 - 12/29/04 07:19 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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 Quote:
Another thing: don't put words in my mouth, OK Steve? And those kinds of expressions that I need professional help and similar sentences, just keep them to yourself. I have never disrespected anyone here, and I expect the same towards me. Are we clear, Steve?
DuCamp,
Let's be clear on something: I never put words in your mouth. Look at my post again. I wasn't talking about you or to you. I'm sorry that you were offended, but I'd like to suggest that it was you who put words in my mouth.
My first post was in response to JazzP120 & yours. I felt that you were both making sweeping generalizations that Yamaha are better than Roland without qualifying which models, etc. You never mentioned specific models. I asked a question (as an example) about the P60 vs. RD700. It was JazzP120 that answered it.
My post about the P60 vs. RD700 was directed toward P120dude, or whatever he's calling himself these days. Go back and read his previous posts and you'll get a better idea why he's changed his name.
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#670728 - 12/29/04 07:27 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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posted by JazzP120

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No, see, that is where you are wrong. If someone wants to think that the P60 is better than the RD700, then fine, let it be. It's there preference, and that can't be changed.
Why is it that if someone thinks the P60 is better than the RD700, it is their "preference" and therefore OK. But if I think they're nuts, I'm "wrong". Seems like a double standard. Don't I get opinions or preferences?


 Quote:
I am simply saying that SteveY should not make those kind of comments to any member. They are immature and rude, and they are simply untrue.

If someone wants thinks that the P60 is better than the RD700, then that's that. End of story. It's there personal preference, and it is the right one for them.
Before anyone rushes to judgment here, they should do a search to find P120Dude's posts. This new name of yours isn't fooling anyone.
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#670729 - 12/29/04 07:27 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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#670730 - 12/29/04 07:49 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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Let's take a look at P120-dude-man-jazz-guy's posts. That'll shine some light on things:

Previously posted on other threads by P120Man, P120Dude & JazzP120.

 Quote:
No, you should see a doctor, because you cannot accept other peoples opinions.
Written to Mike Martin, Yamaha Corp. of America, after Mike told him that the P120 does not have string resonance:

 Quote:
Im sorry mike, I dont care if you work for yamaha, but I know for a fact the p120 has string resonance and soundboard resonance capabilities.

This is also my last post for this type of thread.
(and of course, it wasn't his last post)

Mike's response:
 Quote:
Then you have the only P120 in the world that can do this.
P120Man/Dude/Jazz's response:
 Quote:
I am hearing harmonic resonance, just like a piano. I hear it clear and crisp. And now, that is all i will say on this forum and thread.
Anyone wanna bet whether that was his last post?
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#670731 - 12/29/04 07:52 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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#670732 - 12/29/04 08:33 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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Two questions, Chris:
1. Am I entitled to my opinion as well?
2. Whose opinion did I disrespect?
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#670733 - 12/29/04 09:34 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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#670734 - 12/29/04 05:21 PM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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I owned a Yamaha P-120 for about two weeks and traded it in right away for the P250 when i started to notice some serious defects, such as zoned sample switching in mid-key press and other annoying artifacts in the sound. Best decision I ever made.. the P250 has got to be the best digital piano I have ever played on. It's no match for the yamaha upright I have, but then again, my upright is no match for some of the better grands at my school. But I don't think i could have found a better digital piano and I just *know* it will have a very long life before they finally improve upon it. In fact the only thing I could see myself upgrading to is to sell both pianos and get a MIDIgrand from the Yamaha MPC line

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#670735 - 12/29/04 09:25 PM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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I spent an afternoon comparing the Yamaha P series and even though I'm not that skilled, I could perceive a huge difference in the sound quality of the P120/P250. (I didn't detect much difference between the P90 and P120, though I'm told there is one.) I bought the P250, while cursing it's STUPID weight and size.

I also tested the Rolands, but not side-by-side enough and not high-end enough to make a valid comparison. (it was only an FP5 or something like that I think) I slightly regret that I couldn't get my paws on one of the nice ones that SteveY is always raving about.

JaszP120/P120Dude has some issues to be aware of. Search his posts under both names when considering the info that he provides. I love how he put a Kurzweil in his new sig to make him appear more objective \:\) His old sig was something like "P120 is da bomb! It rocks!"

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#670736 - 12/29/04 09:26 PM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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Sorry, double post.

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#670737 - 12/30/04 06:13 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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you didn't notice a difference between the 120 and 250? Then again, I suppose it depends on what you are playing on them. I was testing the limits of the 120 when I had it with some advanced works with alot of pedalling and thick textures.

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#670738 - 12/30/04 07:00 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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RandomThoughts,
The P250 is a serious instrument. Enjoy!!!
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#670739 - 12/30/04 07:21 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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#670740 - 12/30/04 08:16 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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If you like Yamaha piano sound, P250 works real nice. To me, P120 is just a hype. That JazzP120 is just selling P120. Very fishy sounding posts from that person most of the time.

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#670741 - 12/30/04 08:23 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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#670742 - 01/08/05 08:02 AM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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For some reason I cant read JazzP120s posts so I dont know what he's been saying.

But anyway the P120 isnt just 'hype', it is a great piano for its price point, and far better than the Roland RD170, IMO. Obviously the P250 is better, but its meant to be, it costs more!
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#670743 - 01/08/05 01:14 PM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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So I bought a Yamaha P-90 and have had it one week. I still don't know enough so say how it compares to the other makes and models out there, but for my uses (so far) it seems to fit the bill.
(play at night, portable, runs on 12VDC, not TOO heavy & most important feels like a piano).

I purchased it with a stand (cheap double-X brace jobee), a pair of headphones (reasonably comfortable - Sony), and a cheap folding bench. FWIW I purchased it at a Guitar Center and they reduced the price $100 on the piano, so it worked out! I still need to get a bag.

I've used it at least an hour a day for the past week. It is really nice to be able to play at night. I actually hauled it to work the last two days so I could practice at lunch because my evenings were booked. If you ever decide to carry your piano in to work, be forwarned, you get some strange looks, some interesting comments ("most people carry a briefcase, but I've never seen ...), a LOT of questions and not much practice the first time! But, you quickly learn who else plays! They just - show up!

I just finished playing on my acoustic which I still prefer, but the P-90 is kinda "fun" and I can "bang away" if I want - no guilt or funny looks from the family, it's great!

So never mind make/model - just get a digital! Better yet - get 2 - one for home and one to practice a work ;-)

Kevin

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#670744 - 01/08/05 08:12 PM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Hen3ry:

So never mind make/model - just get a digital! Better yet - get 2 - one for home and one to practice a work ;-)
[/b]
Best Quote of '05 so far!!!
\:D \:D \:D \:D \:D \:D

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#670745 - 01/08/05 08:23 PM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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What manufacturer do you work for? Just an idle curiousity.

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#670746 - 01/08/05 08:35 PM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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I was a member of the PW before I started my new job. As such, I discussed my involvment in the PW forums with my supervisors.
Basically it comes down to...I can remain a member of the forums as long as I don't divulge the name of my employer. So I am truly sorry charmaine...Can't tell ya! \:\)
But as per the PW forums rules, I am including the fact that I do work for a manufacturer in my signature so each of you can decide how much of my information to accept or to discard. ;\) ;\) \:D

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#670747 - 01/09/05 04:10 PM Re: Roland vs Yamaha
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My guess is Roland from your profile... :p
Wont ask you to confirm or deny!
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