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#675042 - 11/17/04 05:28 AM Kawai ES1 Stage piano
Samejame Offline
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Registered: 06/01/01
Posts: 808
Loc: NL, Canada
Can anyone tell me if Kawai has stopped making this model? A recent visit to their website seems to suggest this, as only the ES3 and ES 5 are displayed. You can only find info on the ES1 on the archive page.

Seems the big difference is that the ES3 has a USB interface - other than that it's virtually the same as ES1.

I've been looking for a portable digital to gig with, and I liked this one (ES1) in that it's very lightweight and easy to use, it has good piano, Rhodes and tonewheel organ settings, and the ensemble string patch is quite nice. A local dealer has one now as a display model. If I can confirm that it's now out of production, and given that they are using it as a demo, I see an opportunity to negotiate a good price for this. Sticker is now at 1750 $Can.

Anyone here with experience on Kawai ES series stage pianos?

"A cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing" Oscar Wilde.


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#675043 - 11/17/04 09:20 AM Re: Kawai ES1 Stage piano
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Registered: 09/24/04
Posts: 388
Look at a roland FP-2 as well if you want lightweight piano with great sound! You get a current model at around the same price!

#675044 - 11/17/04 09:30 AM Re: Kawai ES1 Stage piano
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Registered: 11/08/04
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I tried to buy one from my local store (they had two floor models) for $600 US but the best they'd take was $900. I bought a Yamaha P-120 instead.

Nice piano though. I've got one of their CP115's.
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#675045 - 11/17/04 09:41 AM Re: Kawai ES1 Stage piano
CMS Offline
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Registered: 07/14/02
Posts: 99

I own a Kawai ES-5 and I absolutely love it. I tried them all and I liked it the best for both tone and action. I tried in vain to like Yamaha's P series, but I did not like either the action (too heavy and "springy") or the piano samples. Of course, it is all personal. The one which I liked next was Roland RD700, for more money and weight.

The model ES-3 is very, very similar, it has slightly fewer voices and rithms, no matching stand or subwoofer. It does not seem that you would need them anyway.

I am still impressed with the build quality of my Kawai. I do not see that much discussion about them, but I think that they are great.

For more details, ask Kawai customer support, I heard that they are very responsive. BTW, I am under the impression that ES1 has only 32 polyphony.

Good luck.

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#675046 - 11/18/04 07:39 PM Re: Kawai ES1 Stage piano
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Registered: 05/11/04
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I talked with Kawai and yes the ES1 is discontinued. The ES3 and the ES5 have improved piano samples. They share the same Grand Piano 1 but the ES5 adds somes extra variations and sounds. I know what you mean about the heavy slugishness of the Yamaha P actions, they are a bit like driving a Mac truck. And their sound can be clangly and it's impossible to get melodic legato without the pedal on.

How much does the ES5 weigh without the stand?
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#675047 - 11/19/04 08:45 AM Re: Kawai ES1 Stage piano
CMS Offline
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Registered: 07/14/02
Posts: 99

It seems that without the stand, ES-3 and ES-5 have roughtly the same weight. The piano body is really the same. I believe that the only differences between them are the stand (which contains the subwoofer), programming and paint.

#675048 - 12/01/04 11:31 AM Re: Kawai ES1 Stage piano
saw Offline
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Registered: 11/28/04
Posts: 100
Loc: Florida

I talked with a dealer last weekend - they were selling the ES-1 on a close-out sale at $1088 USD. Of course, they wanted me to just buy it over the phone. Diff with ES-3: I think beyond samples, etc., the ES-3 is 64 poly, has better sequencer; check the Kawai web page, to be sure.

I just sold my old upright (will be tough to see it go, I learned a lot on it), and I'm shopping for a good digital for home practice. I'm currently comparing the P120,the casio PX400R, and the Kawai ES-3. Unfortunately, it's hard to find the Kawai. Also, very hard to find on the web. I guess they restrict the sales rights, there. Any insights out there regarding these comparisons? Or, where to get the best price on a Kawai? thanks,

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#675049 - 12/01/04 12:26 PM Re: Kawai ES1 Stage piano
CMS Offline
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Registered: 07/14/02
Posts: 99
I did compare P-120, Casio PX300/100 and Kawai ES-3/5.

In the end, I preferred Kawai in all respects; of course, this is a personal opinion. From my point of view, the action of P120 is too heavy, the action in Casio-s is too light. In Kawai, the action is light, but not objectionable so (It is lighter than the action in my Walter upright). I also liked Kawai's tone the most (I also like their acustic pianos more than the Yamahas that I have heard.)

My understanding is the ES-3 is for sale only through showroom dealers, hence you will not find it on the Internet. You will find on the Internet ES-5, which has in addition a stand a few more voices, rithms and a small subwoofer in the stand.

I am very pleased with my ES-5; it is also very solidly built. (BTW, the Yamaha is also well built.)

For price and lack of weight, you cannot beat the Casio (either PX100 or PX300).

#675050 - 12/01/04 02:23 PM Re: Kawai ES1 Stage piano
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Registered: 09/09/04
Posts: 200
Loc: Grandvaux, VD Switzerland

I bought an ES-3 for many of the same reasons that CMS went for the ES-5. In my neck of the woods, I got very close to the ES-1 pricing you suggest for a brand new ES-3. Because the P120 and ES-3 are so similar, you can benchmark what you are willing to pay based on the P120 availability. I spoke to more than one dealer that was responsive to this, so it did not leave me with the impression that it was unusual.

I really like the Kawai.

Good Luck,

#675051 - 12/12/04 09:10 AM Re: Kawai ES1 Stage piano
kyle Offline
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Registered: 05/20/04
Posts: 52
Loc: durham,maine
I own a kawai es1. I bought it used from the music store for around $800. I love the play action, and prefer it over many other keyboards I play. The midi in/out is very convenient and also the sound of the es1 is nice if you are able to find one. Ive only had a chance to look at the es3 not hear it though. Its very similar to the es1, just a different arrangment of sounds.


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