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#675255 - 04/20/05 05:23 AM CLP270 and CLP280
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Every day it seems there are a few more hits when I search Google for these new Clavinovas. Seem to be mostly from the Musicmesse. But nothing yet in English. Is there any "insider" around who knows if and when these will be introduced in the US? Summer NAAM perhaps?
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#675256 - 04/20/05 06:41 AM Re: CLP270 and CLP280
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I heard probably end may early june.

same samples as 170 apart from the extra layer for mezzo forte and 2 extra small speakers and usb con direct
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#675257 - 04/20/05 07:59 AM Re: CLP270 and CLP280
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BTW, I read that the big advantage of the CLP280 over the CLP270 is wooden keys.

Surely they must be plastic-covered ? Why would this matter? Perhaps less flex?
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#675258 - 04/20/05 09:24 AM Re: CLP270 and CLP280
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175 I understand also has wooden keys I tried a Kawai with wooden keys and I wasnt bothered either way
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#675259 - 04/20/05 09:37 AM Re: CLP270 and CLP280
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Its not just the material of the keys, the wood keyboards have a completely different mechanism.
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#675260 - 04/20/05 11:42 AM Re: CLP270 and CLP280
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According a german internet music shop they will be delivered beginning of june. Price for a CLP280 is 3199,-EUR, for a CLP270 it is 2799,-EUR. I am also wondering if the wooden keys are worth the difference of 400,-EUR.
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#675261 - 04/20/05 01:11 PM Re: CLP270 and CLP280
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If its the same difference as the 170 vs. 175 then in my opinion it's definitely worth 400 euros.
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#675262 - 04/20/05 01:46 PM Re: CLP270 and CLP280
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anyone tried one at germany music fair?Big difference between 170 and 270?
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#675263 - 04/21/05 08:11 AM Re: CLP270 and CLP280
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Registered: 02/17/05
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I read in a German forum that the new Yamaha CLP280 does not really have a full wooden keyboard. It is said that only the core of the white keys is wooden, the rest still is plastic - No wood for the black keys.

I think that's a bit strange and wonder if it's true... Does anyone have more reliable information?

(In an online shop which offers this piano it is written: "88 wooden keys"... so one source has to be wrong)

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#675264 - 04/26/05 09:46 AM Re: CLP270 and CLP280
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Any more news? Do the CLP270 and CLP280 represent significant improvements or just cosmetic freshenings of a tired line?
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#675265 - 04/27/05 06:53 PM Re: CLP270 and CLP280
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The Japanese owner's manual is now on line -

http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/emi/japan/cla/clp280_ja1.pdf

As I glance through the manual, it looks like the 280/270 supports GM2 sysex, so they have upgraded their core midi code, yet I don't see any GM2/GS voices/drums which I would have expected, since the 270/280 sports the GM2 and GS logos on the front page.

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#675266 - 04/30/05 09:23 AM Re: CLP270 and CLP280
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Japan released the new CLP 200 range 1st may now on their site.
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#675267 - 05/02/05 05:51 AM Re: CLP270 and CLP280
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Registered: 02/17/05
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I had the chance to play a Roland KR-107, a Yamaha CLP280 and a Kawai CA7 (unfortunately not CA9) today. They are all good, but not as close to a real piano as I hoped. I still didn't decide which one I will buy but it might be a Kawai, as it felt the most realistic of these three. But I will play them again... and try out all the tuning-options before I make my final decision.

PS. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I've been wondering about the "wooden" keyboard of the CLP280. As far as I can see now, the black keys are still plastic and the white keys are wooden, but only the front part (the part you can see...)

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#675268 - 05/02/05 06:38 AM Re: CLP270 and CLP280
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Beat,

Were you able to compare the CLP270 with the CLP280?

In your search for "as close to a real piano..." were you focusing more on sound or keyboard feel?

I believe you will not get a real idea of the sound potential the way the units are displayed in many showrooms.

Please keep us posted on your impressions.
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#675269 - 07/20/05 07:49 PM Re: CLP270 and CLP280
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Beat:
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I've been wondering about the "wooden" keyboard of the CLP280. As far as I can see now, the black keys are still plastic and the white keys are wooden, but only the front part (the part you can see...) [/b]
From the Clavinova brouchure that includes the CLP-280:

"... with real wood white keys . . . "

Lawrence
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#675270 - 07/20/05 08:45 PM Re: CLP270 and CLP280
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Registered: 12/12/04
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So does the CLP280 use REAL wood for the black keys or only just the white keys?

The CLP175 definitely has real wood for all 88 keys and the action is fabulous (even better than the CVP309 in my opinion).

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#675271 - 07/21/05 09:13 AM Re: CLP270 and CLP280
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Beat:
I read in a German forum that the new Yamaha CLP280 does not really have a full wooden keyboard. It is said that only the core of the white keys is wooden, the rest still is plastic - No wood for the black keys.

I think that's a bit strange and wonder if it's true... Does anyone have more reliable information?

(In an online shop which offers this piano it is written: "88 wooden keys"... so one source has to be wrong) [/b]
I can confirm that the "wooden" keys are only the white ones.

Per the Yamaha Clavinova CLP-280/270/240/230 brochure:

"The new CLP-280 utilizes the exclusive Natural Wood Keyboard feature, with real wood white[/b] keys and sophisticated technology that faithfully reproduces the experience of playing an actual acoustic grand piano." [emphasis added]
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