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#679008 - 06/07/07 08:31 PM Roland HP-207
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Yesterday I played the HP-207, and have decided to purchase two of them! One will be for my home studio, and the other will be for the chapel at my church, where the choir rehearses.

One thing that was interesting was how different the instrument sounded against the wall, v. pulled out from the wall, facing the centre of the room. There was a much more natural bass response when the instrument was not up against the wall.

Very nice keyboard action for piano. The best I've played.

The Satin Black is not available in Canada yet, but Roland says, "soon", whatever that means! Hopefully by August, when I plan to make the purchases.

I think the standard Mahogany colour is really ugly, but the sales person I was dealing with says it is quite popular.

Anyway, I'm excited, and looking forward to the arrival of these instruments.

Well done, Roland!

Lawrence
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#679009 - 06/09/07 04:13 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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I have had the Hp-107 for a couple of years and apart from the features how is the piano sound in comparison to this new 207,I often think that the sound in the middle keyboard is a bit dull and to much of a thundering bass in the lower keyboard part.

Regards
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#679010 - 06/09/07 12:46 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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I agree that the bass is too strong (for my tastes) when the HP207 is up against the wall. I believe that was the same thing for the HP107. I imagine you can EQ a smoother bass response.

In both my home studio and the church, the HP207 will not be backing on to a wall, so the bass response should be more "normal".

I'm not familiar enough with the HP107 to comment on a sound comparison.
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#679011 - 06/10/07 03:10 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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Hi Lawrence,

I believe we have been in contact before... I have your CD! \:\)

Just to share my experience of the HP-207. I agree, the HP-207 has a very nice keyboard. My impression of the HP-207 (I tried it out in the Frankfurt Musikmesse a couple of months ago) is that they have sort of given up the, not that authentic, double escapement feature which was offered in HP-107. It is not as apparent in the HP-207 although they claim it is still there in the spec.

The HP-207 fortunately replaced the plastic keys with a wooden ivory feel, actually very similar to the new Kawai CA series. The only thing I miss is the soundboard speaker system of the Kawai CA-91, it really impressed on me, like playing a real acoustic. If you have not yet tried the CA-91, I suggest you to do it prior to purchase.

I could not analyse the piano sound though - it was too noisy (or rather chaotic) in the exhibition room...
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#679012 - 06/10/07 01:21 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Niclas ~

We have indeed been in touch before, and I have your CD!

I will take your advice and check out the new Kawai CA91. I didn't like the sound of the CA9 when I tried it out about 2 years ago. Hopefully the CA91 has improved in that respect.

BTW, I'm listening to your music (again) as I write this. Great stuff!

Regards from Canada.

Lawrence
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#679013 - 06/10/07 02:09 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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I tried a Roland HP107 and liked its realistic action. I'm waiting for the new Kawai MP8II to come out so that I can compare the two.
I can't comment on sounds since I didn't pay that much attention to the sounds of the HP107 (I'm only looking for a midi controller with realistic action).
By the way, you DP dealers out there:
Please contact me if you've got a DP with a blown sound board but the midi is still fully functional. I'd be interested in the Roland HP series, Yamaha CP, MP or CVP series or any Kawai with a Awa Pro Action II.
email: Jumbo211@hotmail.com
I wouldn't expect a warranty.

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#679014 - 06/10/07 08:42 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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 Quote:
Originally posted by fogwall:
If you have not yet tried the CA-91, I suggest you to do it prior to purchase.
[/b]
One challenge here will be the Kawai pricing, which at least locally is much more expensive than either Roland or Yamaha. Roland and Yamaha are very similarily priced.

Don't forget I'll be getting two instruments, so the Kawai may well be out of my price range.

Lawrence
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#679015 - 06/11/07 01:32 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Don't forget I'll be getting two instruments, so the Kawai may well be out of my price range.
Perhaps you can get discount? Two for the price of one? ;\)

In any case, the HP-207 will not be a bad choice.

Playing your CD again...
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#679016 - 06/11/07 06:30 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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The price for the HP-207 in my part of the world, and in Canadian dollars is $3,700. The price of the CA91 is in the $7,000 + range, so the Kawai is simply too expensive.

I do intend to get a bit of a discount for buying two Roland units, but "two for the price of one" would be rather optimistic!

Another point. No local Kawai dealer has a CA91 in stock. (Kawai dealers are few and far between, which also contributes - I suspect - to less discounting.)

Now I have to sell off some gear, to pay for this, starting with my Roland RD-700sx!
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#679017 - 06/12/07 06:09 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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I placed an order today for two HP207's.

Lawrence
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#679018 - 06/13/07 12:47 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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Congratulations! I believe the new HP series are very promising. Did you compare the HP207 to the HP203 (and maybe the HP204, if this type was available to you) and how did you rate the differences?

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#679019 - 06/13/07 09:36 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Thanks. It feels good to have made the decision. I only looked at the HP207, so can't comment on the other models. However, I can say that the simulated ivory has a nice tactile feel to it.

Lawrence
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#679020 - 07/22/07 02:23 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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They should be arriving next week. I believe one has arrived at the store, but they will have to pick up the second one from the supply depot. I'm looking forward to this!
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#679021 - 07/22/07 03:02 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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I am also looking at the 207,but my dealer hasn't got one yet to try out,so your comments will be very appreciable and it would be great if you had any demos of the piano sound.

Not even being able to find any demos on the internet is quite frustrating.The roland site does do a demonstration video but I find it to be very poor when they dont really demo the main piano sound,more so on features and other sounds.

Daz

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#679022 - 07/25/07 09:46 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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The HP-207 is quite frankly the best sounding digital piano I've ever played. You made a wise decision. By the way, if you like singing along with your own CD's, buy an external CD drive with a USB cord and hook it up to USB port on the HP-207 which can read both audio and midi information. WHen the CD is playing back you can center cancel the voice out of the recording, or even transpose the actual recording up or down! Very cool stuff.
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#679023 - 07/26/07 04:48 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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Hello, Pianomadam.

Have you ever tried the Yamahas with iAFC? (CLP-270/280 or CVP 307/309). I need the opinion from someone who tested them comparing with the HP-207 piano sound richness.


Any feedback will be extremely appreciated.

Best,

Angold.

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#679024 - 07/26/07 10:01 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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I evaluated the CLP-270 and CLP-280, but in the end decided to go for the HP-207.

They are all excellent keyboards, but you really need to play them to make a proper final decision, IMHO.

Lawrence
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#679025 - 07/26/07 12:20 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Originally posted by Melodialworks Music:
I evaluated the CLP-270 and CLP-280, but in the end decided to go for the HP-207. [/b]
Would it be too much to hope that there's a thread or chart somewhere that compares the Yamaha CLP-200s to the HP-200's? \:D
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#679026 - 07/26/07 11:46 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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 Quote:
Have you ever tried the Yamahas with iAFC? (CLP-270/280 or CVP 307/309). I need the opinion from someone who tested them comparing with the HP-207 piano sound richness.[/b]
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--The CVP's I played about one year ago and was quite impressed. I'd have to compare the pianos side by side to give my best answer. Both pianos are fantastic. I think it really comes down to other features (e.g. follow the lights on the CVP, lesson feature on Roland) if you are comparing the two best digital piano brands out there.
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#679027 - 07/26/07 11:56 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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What "lesson feature" on Roland HP-207 are we talking about

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#679028 - 07/27/07 12:24 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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On the Hpi and KR series, not on the HP-series. Sorry for the confusion.
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#679029 - 07/27/07 12:52 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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Yes, those displays and software are nice on HPi and KR series.
I wish Roland would bring PHA-II into those series soon.
There were thoroughly discounted HPi-6 in one of the stores around us, but we could not possibly consider going back from PHA-II :rolleyes: .

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#679030 - 07/27/07 11:44 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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Thank you, Lawrence and PianoMadam.


The fact is that I still wasn't able to test the iAFC on the Yamahas and really wonder if I will be missing a most important feature in true sound creation if opting for the otherwise more featured and modern looking Roland HP-207.


Mechanical Doll: I am not sure that a chart can really compare both pianos with depth. It can be prepared gathering both manufacturers info, but some features, specially the touch of the keyboard and the piano sound when listened from the device speakers can't be measured and thus I must trust the always subjetive impressions of each board member.


I need you all!... More insight will be so appreciated.


REGARDS,

ANDRÉS.

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#679031 - 07/27/07 03:19 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Roland is no slouch in replicating the sound and feel of a real piano. I found the HP201 and KR117 to be a much more convincing fake than the Yamahas in the same store -- forgot model numbers, but one of those Clavinovas was $10,000 USD. The HP201, in contrast, is about $1600 USD.

Maybe this link will help. This is 10 year old information, but it'll show you the level of insanity Roland goes to, to make a digital piano with less compromises. Things have only gotten better since that document was written.

Roland considers the entire instrument the sound source. Not just the speakers, but the whole instrument. All of it.

I spent hours comparing Yamaha to Roland, using a William Knabe (samick) grand as a "sanity check."

In the end it was as clear. There was no doubt. The PHA II roland action, and Roland's samples, bested the Yamahas the dealer had, including a 10,000 dollar unit. It wasn't even fair. It literally was as mis-matched as bringing a knife to a gunfight. Mind you, that's my opinion.

I was under the impression that Yamaha was the King of Digital, mainly thanks to Yamaha's marketing -- but after experiencing what Roland has to offer.. sorry, but no. To my tastes, to my fingers, the Rolands steamroller everyone else into the ground.

Read the link I posted. I learned tons from it.... mainly, why is it that the Roland samples sound so much more life-like, and why their pianos just feel more "real." It's more than just action and sounds.. And keep in mind that link is 10 years old.. memory, processing speed, all of it has gotten so much better since.

I got a 201. Fantastic piano. And that's just their entry level. Haven't seen the 207, but did play the KR117 "Grand" -- and that one almost had me considering selling a kidney to get it ;\)
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#679032 - 07/27/07 04:45 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Interesting article. I'd like to see it updated to deal with current technology. However, I'm also sure that other companies could write convincing articles about their approach, as well!

Lawrence

PS - When the pianos arrive (next Thurs) I will post some realtime impressions of the HP-207.
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#679033 - 08/10/07 10:09 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Hi, Lawrence!


Did you enjoy your HP-207?

Please keep us updated.

Regards,

Andres.

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#679034 - 08/10/07 11:14 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Delivery delayed about a month. One unit is sitting at the store (in the next city, about 1/2 hour down the highway) but I'm still waiting for the store to receive the second unit - then they will deliver both.

Apparently Roland ships from Japan once per month.

They are not shipping many Satin Black units, at least initially, until they determine the demand for them.

So, hopefully soon! In the meantime, my bank account has money it it!

Lawrence
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#679035 - 08/11/07 10:15 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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Thank you for the update, Lawrence.


I have also asked about the satin black version at my local dealer, they told me that it would take around 2 months. I am still considering several options, that's why I want to know your opinion.

I guess here in Europe the non-black versions are made in Italy and have better price and faster delivery. It's really curious to see that Roland Italy has decided to make their own fine-tuning on the cabinet design. Hrere are some links:


HP-207: International version (Japan, US): http://www.roland.co.jp/products/jp/HP207/images/HP207-MH_L.jpg

HP-207e: European Version: http://es.woodbrass.com/images/woodbrass/ROLAND+HP207ERW.JPG

The main differences are in the feet metal finish and colour of the simulated wood.


We'll keep looking forward to your units delivery, which I wish you to be soon.


Best,

Andrés.

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#679036 - 08/13/07 05:07 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Thanks everyone for their help and Lawrence for the updates.

My brother and I have been looking at this model for a few weeks and we felt we needed some input from someone other than the dealer. So again, thank you very much!

When I played the HP207 I fell in love right away with the Ivory feeling keys and the PH II with Escapement. The features are just the right amount, not so much that I wouldn't use half of them, and the sound is incredible. The bass is a little strong like some have said, but other than that it sounds beautiful.

We'll definitely keep looking forward to your keyboard delivery Lawrence!

Sara
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#679037 - 08/14/07 07:02 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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The bass is a little strong like some have said, but other than that it sounds beautiful.
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Sara -

I found the bass response too strong, as well, until the piano was pulled out from the wall. When not too close to the wall, the bass repsonse seemed to be spot on, and not too strong.

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#679038 - 08/17/07 08:47 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Thanks Lawrence

About the bass, my brother said there is a feature that you can change the amount of bass you want. Supposedly with the 3D button there are different types of settings and you can choose the perfect one for yourself. That is if you are like me and don't really have space to pull the keyboard away from the wall. We haven't tried it yet to see if that's true, but hopefully it is.

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#679039 - 09/21/07 11:33 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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I received delivery on the two Satin Black HP-207's on Sept. 6th.

The one in the church has been superb as a rehearsal instrument in the chapel on Thursday evenings, for a choir of about 18 adult voices.

This is the smoothest responding digital piano I've ever played, without notes sticking out. However, this is probably partially due to my playing style.

I'm very happy in both the church and home studio environments. A nice looking piece of furniture in the studio, and nice to not have the clutter of monitor speakers, and cables on display.

I have no hesitation in recommending the HP-207. Certainly, it would be worthwhile to read the manual, since there are a few useful gems there.

Lawrence
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#679040 - 09/27/07 04:14 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Have to thank you for guiding me towards this DP. I spent the whole summer debating and looking - trying to decide whether to go digital or replace my old acoustic. Having come to terms with the fact that DP was the most practical way to go I was originally considering Yamaha's CLP 280. Was about to commit even though I wasn't totally happy with the bass.
Then I read the favorable comments here about the Roland HP -207 and realized I'd not tried this model. The moment I touched it I knew this was the one! It just felt right and had the sound I was hoping for.
Now I have to wait patiently for delivery which has been quite delayed......hadn't realized it would take so long! Patience is a virtue!

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#679041 - 10/01/07 10:42 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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The standard colour seems readily available, but Roland Canada is only bringing in a few of the Satin Black models each month, since they are not sure how they'll sell.

I continue to be pleased with my HP-207's. The best feeling, responsive and natural digital piano I've ever played. The problem (often common, I belive) with digitals of notes sticking out doesn't occur with this instrument.

Whom have you ordered from? (I'm based in Brantford, and dealt with Pongetti Music in Hamilton, so we're not too far from each other! In fact I grew up in Toronto - the east end).

Did you order the instrument in Satin Black?

Lawrence
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#679042 - 10/02/07 03:06 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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Hi to an ex Torontonian!
I dealt with Lowrey's here - my local store - good reputation around these parts - very pleasant and knowledgeable staff.
I could have had the Satin Black this week as they had one in stock but opted to wait for the Mahogany finish. Still no word on when it might arrive which does seem a bit odd if this is their standard model. Maybe the start up of Fall music lessons has raised the demand.
I did have a slight reservation that the Roland warranty was only one year as opposed to the Yamaha's five year warranty (and the Cosmo Music Store where I tried it would have thrown in an additional one year store warranty) but hopefully Roland's good track record will override that concern. Glad to hear you continue to pleased with your decision - hopefully it won't be too much longer before I can add my feedback too!

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#679043 - 10/02/07 04:23 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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Hello there,

Are there any explanations for the PHAII keyboard that mention the materials used for each key? I have read conflicting reviews, some stating that the white keys of the HP207 are produced entirely wood.

Can anyone confirm this point?

Kind regards,
James
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#679044 - 10/02/07 10:10 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Roland doesn't specify exactly what the keys are made of but they are not made "entirely of wood".
There's a video clip on their website which states they have replicated the feel of ivory and ebony keys and the keys themselves "are a two piece structure consisting of a natural look base material with an ivory feel surface". No mention of wood (although I guess if you don't listen carefully it's possible to mistake the words "natural look" for "natural wood"!)

http://media.roland.com/en/v/v0431/v043102M.mov

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#679045 - 10/03/07 12:31 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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Thank you for your response CillaH, yes I was referring to fogwall's earlier post ('wooden feel'), while HP207 review in the current issue of the UK 'Keyboard Player' magazine actually states that 'the keys are wooden with an ivory finish'.

Kind regards,
James
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#679046 - 10/03/07 01:53 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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There's a thread on the wood/plastic key issue.

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/6/3545.html

The thing you should probably pay attention to
is the action and the key surface material.
The material underneath (wood or plastic)
doesn't matter.

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#679047 - 10/20/07 01:31 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Now that you have your Hp207s,any chance of a nice classical demo for us to hear?

Regards
Daz

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#679048 - 10/20/07 10:14 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Originally posted by CillaH:
I could have had the Satin Black this week as they had one in stock but opted to wait for the Mahogany finish. Still no word on when it might arrive which does seem a bit odd if this is their standard model. [/b]
Maybe I've made a wrong assumption that the Mahogany is standard. I do know that they are bringing limited numbers of Satin Black into Canada, at least at this point in time.
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#679049 - 10/21/07 02:47 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Last week I bought a Roland Hp-207. I like the sound and the action of my piano but one thing bothers me. The keys are making a clicking sound that you can hear very well.
My question : Is this normal and can you do something about it ?

Thanks in advance !

Robin.

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#679050 - 11/02/07 08:13 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Originally posted by jmbattle:
Thank you for your response CillaH, yes I was referring to fogwall's earlier post ('wooden feel'), while HP207 review in the current issue of the UK 'Keyboard Player' magazine actually states that 'the keys are wooden with an ivory finish'.

Kind regards,
James
x [/b]
I have an HP-207. I don't think the "sides" of keys are "made of wood" nor "have wooden feel" when I touch it. They might have "color of wood" with "plastic feel". \:\)

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#679051 - 11/02/07 09:11 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Robinn:
Last week I bought a Roland Hp-207. I like the sound and the action of my piano but one thing bothers me. The keys are making a clicking sound that you can hear very well.
My question : Is this normal and can you do something about it ?

Thanks in advance !

Robin. [/b]
I have the HP 207 for about two months. I am not sure whether I heard the clicking sound you described but there are noises even when the power was off. But they are not a problem to me. I thought some of the noises are designed purposely to mimic the noises of hammers hitting the strings on real pianos. There is a setting for hammer noise but I didn't feel they made much difference between high (+2) and low setting (-2). You might want to play with if you haven't.

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#679052 - 11/02/07 09:13 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Just had my HP-207 delivered yesterday, and yes, the keys are plastic (tops are plastic textured to feel like ivory, sides are plastic colored to look like wood, rather than real wood as Keyboard Player implies). If you touch the sides they feel like plastic - which they are - but this is not evident in normal playing. The wood color gives a placebo effect of wooden keys, which I suspect is identical to the effect of real wood.

On an unrelated note, have you had a chance to play with the graphic equalizer? I'm looking for a good setting that will "open up" the piano sound a bit.

Thanks,
-Eric

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#679053 - 11/02/07 11:33 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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 Quote:
Originally posted by eJohn:

On an unrelated note, have you had a chance to play with the graphic equalizer? I'm looking for a good setting that will "open up" the piano sound a bit.

Thanks,
-Eric [/b]
I haven't got a chance to play with the equalizer. I would think that the factory setting should be optimal, at least to most of the potential buyers in the regions they are selling. What part of the sound spectrum do you think is not perfect relative to what sound sources? Are the Briliant, Lid opening,or resonance setting not doing much to your need?

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#679054 - 11/04/07 01:32 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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I played the HP207e, what a wonderful digital piano!

The action is very responsive, you can really feel the escapement, key's weight is right, the sound is simply awesome, rich and detailed.

Roland made a great job, for me this is the digital piano to beat.

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#679055 - 11/05/07 01:16 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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Agreed, the HP-207 is great. I liked it better than top of the line digitals from all the other makes/models I tried in the stores, and now I'm getting used to it in my home.

BTW, I did find a thread on EQ-ing this piano at

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=003170;p=0

The recommended settings are:

High Gain +12dB
High Freq 8.0kHz
High Mid Gain +4dB
High Mid Freq 2.5kHz
High Mid Q 2.0
Low Mid Gain -4dB
Low Mid Freq 500Hz
Low Mid Q 2.0
Low Gain +6dB
Low Freq 125Hz

This attenuates some of the middle frequencies and seems to make the sound clearer, without being too bright. I'm using it with a Heavy to Super-Heavy touch setting, and Lid all the way open. What do you think?

-Eric

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#679056 - 11/05/07 05:26 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Eric,
I played it in a store so I can't give you an opinion about the eq you suggest, sorry.

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#679057 - 11/06/07 08:40 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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 Quote:
Originally posted by eJohn:
Agreed, the HP-207 is great. I liked it better than top of the line digitals from all the other makes/models I tried in the stores, and now I'm getting used to it in my home.

BTW, I did find a thread on EQ-ing this piano at

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=003170;p=0

The recommended settings are:

High Gain +12dB
High Freq 8.0kHz
High Mid Gain +4dB
High Mid Freq 2.5kHz
High Mid Q 2.0
Low Mid Gain -4dB
Low Mid Freq 500Hz
Low Mid Q 2.0
Low Gain +6dB
Low Freq 125Hz

This attenuates some of the middle frequencies and seems to make the sound clearer, without being too bright. I'm using it with a Heavy to Super-Heavy touch setting, and Lid all the way open. What do you think?

-Eric [/b]
Probably need someones with extensive knowledge in the sound of Steinway's pianos, which Roland HPs are intended to simulate, to judge.

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#679058 - 11/10/07 12:03 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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Is there an online store that sells this piano ? I researched and it seem like this model is only available at authorized Roland dealerships.

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#679059 - 11/10/07 10:17 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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Do you have any idea how much HP 207 or HP 203 costs? thanks.

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#679060 - 11/11/07 08:23 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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Ive been in 2 piano shops to look at Hp-207 and noticed the tops of the keys have marks and scraches that dont seem to rub off.They do feel good and grippy with cold hands though.Also when I tested the sound with the lid set to fully open and the volume about 3/4 the speakers seem to crackle a bit.Bare in mind that the speaker system is not the same over here in Europe.

Owners of this model have you noticed your key surface to mark easy and what do you think at higher volume settings.

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#679061 - 11/12/07 04:56 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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hp207 is about $1000 more than hp203. Is it worth it?. opinions?

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#679062 - 11/12/07 07:49 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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HP-207 vs HP-203? When I bought the 207 I was interested in only the piano basics: The ivory-surface keys, the ability to permanently save custom settings (touch, equalizer, etc), and the way the controls are set back from the keys and hidden by the key cover in mid-position (with my old digital piano, I'd accidentally hit the buttons while playing).

These were worth the $$ to me, since they improved the every-day playing experience and made the digital seem more like a real piano.

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#679063 - 11/16/07 04:40 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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HP207 wins.
My wife convinced me to get a console piano rather than a stage piano for home. this Piano is heavy, but worth every penny. My kids who I originally bought it for them been on it every day since I got it a week ago. Hopefully it will continue to attract them. sound and feel are amazing. I have a question tho. I connected my laptop to it and it works great. Do I need a CD drive or a floppy drive anymore, since I can play and record from/to the laptop?. is there any other use for the other equipment or is it a waste of money?.

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#679064 - 12/05/07 05:52 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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Loc: Poland
Hi all,

I'm new here.

I just bought HP 207e ELA (light oak version) two days ago. The piano both looks and sounds beautiful. The sound is rich and powerful, however I need to spend some time adjusting it to fit my rather small room and to find the tone and touch i like the best.

I just want to thank you for the opinions, discussions which guided me to this choice.

I see it is a great forum, and probably it won't be my last post here \:\)

Greg

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#679065 - 12/05/07 04:26 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Greg,
Congratulations. I've had mine almost a month and am still discovering new things every day. I also hope it helps me become a better pianist.

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#679066 - 12/07/07 06:40 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Loc: Malaysia
hi

I just got my HP207
I noticed that certain keys esp Ab5,if you strike it fairly hard and esp staccato, there is an
unpleasant sound accompanying the note -difficult to describe,like an echo
This also occurs with headphone but only with the 3D on otherwise with headphone the sound is not there, but without headphone it is there whether
3D is on or off.I was wondering if this could be
due to resonant effect since the room I placed the piano is quite small
Anyone of you notice this?

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#679067 - 12/08/07 09:07 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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Thats it I made my mind up now and swapped my Hp-107 for the 207 and got a good deal,will be getting it on friday so I cant wait.
I played the clp-280 and the Hp-207 side by side in the same shop and went back on several ocasions and today I decided on the roland.

Regards
Daz

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#679068 - 12/08/07 02:25 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Daren,
Congrats. I'd be very interested to know how many new Yamaha, Kawai, etc owners actually did a side-by-side comparison with the Roland HP-207 (or FP-7 or 203 or RG-3) as you did. The Roland seems most realistic to me.

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#679069 - 12/08/07 03:53 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Registered: 11/30/07
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Loc: Poland
Hi,

Droah, mine Ab5 is ok but I'm concerned about two other sounds that is A#1 and F3.

The first one A#1 has some kind of ringing colour and differs in tone colour from neighbour sounds. It is not heard when playing piano, it can be heard when playing a little louder.

The F3 also differs from other keys. I'm not sure how to describe it but it seems to be a little more open than other sounds. It's like "qua", I could compare it to a duck's "qua". When I play for instance Chopin's valse op.69 no.2 where this note is often being struck in chords it comes forward from those chords and it is heard too loudly which annoys me a bit.

I tried many options, equalizers, tuning, dynamics etc... I tried to change the position of the piano to minimize those differences but I could do nothing.

Have you noticed anything similar?

I also have the piano in a small room (3.5m x 4.5m) with slanting cailing in half and the piano stands by the wall. The factory settings were not good for me. The bass was too boosted and the middle part was muffled so I made an equalizer changes to the following:

High gain: +5
High freq: 8k
High mid gain: +1
High mid freq: 400
High mid q: 0,5
Low Mid gain: 0
Low mid freq: 200
Low mid q: 2
Low gain: -4
Low freq: 100

and now it's much better.
I set the touch to Light, offset to +8 and the lid to 3. It seems to be ok for me \:\)

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#679070 - 12/16/07 11:02 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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 Quote:
Originally posted by adrenalic:
HP207 wins.
My wife convinced me to get a console piano rather than a stage piano for home. this Piano is heavy, but worth every penny. My kids who I originally bought it for them been on it every day since I got it a week ago. Hopefully it will continue to attract them. sound and feel are amazing. I have a question tho. I connected my laptop to it and it works great. Do I need a CD drive or a floppy drive anymore, since I can play and record from/to the laptop?. is there any other use for the other equipment or is it a waste of money?. [/b]
I have an external slim USB DVD drive connecting to the front USB port. It is very convenient to us since my son's piano teacher requires daily practices and listening to songs on CDs. It occupies little space and looks elegant on the top of the piano (only 5"x5"x0.8" in sizes), it is there all the times, and it is cheap (US$70 from an online store).

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#679071 - 12/23/07 01:59 PM Re: Roland HP-207
Daren Offline
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Ive now had my hp207 for a week and i cant stop playing.Its outstanding,it feels and sounds like its alive and it really is a big improvement over the hp107,very glad I went for this one.

Just to say thankyou to this thread for helping me to make the right choice.

Thanks
Daz

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#679072 - 03/13/08 08:40 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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 Quote:
Originally posted by droah:
hi

...certain keys esp Ab5,if you strike it fairly hard and esp staccato, there is an
unpleasant sound accompanying the note -difficult to describe,like an echo.....
Anyone of you notice this? [/b]
Yes, definitely. I hear it too.
I am convinced this is a sampling error. When they sampled the Steinway they used for the samples, likely this key had the flaw you are describing.
some strange undesirable resonance...
So the flaw got recorded, and now part of the sample set.
They sample at multiple velocity levels, so there is 3 or 5 samples per key ( I forget how many exactly). The flaw is only present in the top 1 or 2 samples.
IMHO Roland should fix this. It would be easy enough for them to reflash the samples. I was tempted to report it to Roland but was not sure how to convincingly articulate the issue. Maybe record the sound and send it to them.

Best wishes..
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#679073 - 03/17/08 05:24 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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Loc: Spain
Dear frydrych and jorghi,


Have you updated the firmware on your piano?


I have installed v1.7 on it and and don't listen these errors, maybe they were fixed.


As I did as soon as I purchased it, I can't tell you if it corrects that samples, but could be.


In Roland US you will find the update, and with an USB stick is easy to do.


Best wishes,

Andres.

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#679074 - 08/08/08 11:30 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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How can you update the firmware? Went on Roland's website and can't find any firmware upgrades.
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#679075 - 08/08/08 11:48 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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They sample at multiple velocity levels, so there is 3 or 5 samples per key ( I forget how many exactly).
Jorghi, about ROLAND HP for your information:

- 3 level sampling for EVERY note/key for the HP-201

- 4 level sampling for EVERY note/key for the HP-203, 204 (Europe) and 207


;\)
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#679076 - 01/04/09 11:27 AM Re: Roland HP-207
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I just got an HP-207. What a beautiful machine. I've been playing around extensively for the past week, and I came across a quirk. I'm wondering if it is just mine, or all HP-207s.

If I play and hold any of the bottom 8 notes, (A0 - E1) and while holding down that key, play a second note exactly two octaves higher (for instance A0 + A2 ) the second note doesn't get played. The same is true in reverse (holding down A2, then attempting to play A0)

Also along these lines, (and this is how I stumbled across it) if I play the two notes at the exact same time, sometimes I hear both notes, but more often I hear only the lower note as if I pounded on the key.

Has anyone else noticed this?

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#679077 - 01/05/09 12:05 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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What I don't like with this DP is the way the escapement simulation works : on a real piano, when you start to feel the hardness of the escapement when depressing slowly a key you can still finish the move by pressing quickly and the hammer will moderately hit the string.

But whith the Roland it doesn't act like that, you won't get any sound. So what is the purpose of this escapement ? Other DPs of other brands act the same, it seems that the point of the key travel where you will get no sound is too much near the top.

What's your opinion about it ?

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#679078 - 01/10/09 05:30 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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Loc: US
 Quote:
Originally posted by chris77:
I just got an HP-207. What a beautiful machine. I've been playing around extensively for the past week, and I came across a quirk. I'm wondering if it is just mine, or all HP-207s.

If I play and hold any of the bottom 8 notes, (A0 - E1) and while holding down that key, play a second note exactly two octaves higher (for instance A0 + A2 ) the second note doesn't get played. The same is true in reverse (holding down A2, then attempting to play A0)

Also along these lines, (and this is how I stumbled across it) if I play the two notes at the exact same time, sometimes I hear both notes, but more often I hear only the lower note as if I pounded on the key.

Has anyone else noticed this? [/b]
I have an HP-207. I have tried what you have described but didn't seem to have the problems. You probably should call for Roland's warranty service to take a look.

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#679079 - 01/10/09 05:40 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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 Quote:
Originally posted by sieg66:
What I don't like with this DP is the way the escapement simulation works : on a real piano, when you start to feel the hardness of the escapement when depressing slowly a key you can still finish the move by pressing quickly and the hammer will moderately hit the string.

But whith the Roland it doesn't act like that, you won't get any sound. So what is the purpose of this escapement ? Other DPs of other brands act the same, it seems that the point of the key travel where you will get no sound is too much near the top.

What's your opinion about it ? [/b]
If you need the true feeling of the escapement but practicing without disturbing others using a headset, you probably should get a silent piano, acoustic piano with silencing mechanism and digital sound producer, such as Yamaha's C1S, but will cost you at least 5 times more than a high end digital piano.

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#679080 - 01/10/09 06:32 PM Re: Roland HP-207
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 Quote:
Originally posted by sieg66:
What I don't like with this DP is the way the escapement simulation works : on a real piano, when you start to feel the hardness of the escapement when depressing slowly a key you can still finish the move by pressing quickly and the hammer will moderately hit the string.

But whith the Roland it doesn't act like that, you won't get any sound. So what is the purpose of this escapement ? Other DPs of other brands act the same, it seems that the point of the key travel where you will get no sound is too much near the top.

What's your opinion about it ? [/b]
The GH3 on my Yamaha don't have this problem and works like a grand piano. That is because it uses three sensors for each key.


Peace.

/Richard

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#1165689 - 03/20/09 05:45 AM Re: Roland HP-207 [Re: Richard Stark]
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Loc: ON,Canada
Hi guys
I have been playing piano for 1 year, and I want to buy a new one. I'm a little bit confused. DP-990, and Hp 207 seem perfect for me, but HP 207 seem too advanced for me. Can anyone help me with this?

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#1165736 - 03/20/09 08:38 AM Re: Roland HP-207 [Re: Sia_Mac]
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Well, you could get an HP-203. That's similar but minus a few features and it's quite a bit cheaper. Or just go ahead and get an HP-207, if you like it. You won't be sorry and even 1 year of studies is enough to benefit from having a good-quality instrument. Why sell yourself short?

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#1165792 - 03/20/09 10:35 AM Re: Roland HP-207 [Re: Geoffk]
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Originally Posted By: Geoffk
Or just go ahead and get an HP-207, if you like it. You won't be sorry and even 1 year of studies is enough to benefit from having a good-quality instrument. Why sell yourself short?

Agreed. A DP is a computer facsimile of an acoustic instrument, so the way I see it, the more it's like the real thing, the greater its value. More realistic feel, more realistic sound, greater durability -- these are the things that are worth paying for in a DP, and these features benefit beginners and experienced players alike.

Also, don't dismiss the "feels good to me" factor. The better you feel with a musical instrument, the more comfortable you are, the more likely you are to continue practicing and playing.

When I buy my next DP, which may well be an HP-207, it's for the long term. The pain of spending a few more dollars now will be forgotten shortly, but the piano will be with me for years. My current DP I've had since 1994(!).

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#1168552 - 03/25/09 12:15 PM Re: Roland HP-207 [Re: BK1]
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Thanks guys. That really helped.Im probably gonna buy 207.

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#1169468 - 03/26/09 09:57 PM Re: Roland HP-207 [Re: Sia_Mac]
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Before I decided and bought the HP207 I had a terrible time choosing what to buy. All I can say is that now I am a happy owner of a DP that behaves beautifully and asks me to play more than I can reasonably afford. No regrets here! I think it is a great instrument and, for me, a source of joy and happiness. I would buy it again.
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