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#681300 - 01/20/08 02:04 PM GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
alleon Offline
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Im kinda confused here. I see a lot of terms to describe the action of the yamaha DP. what the difference and what model have what.

can anyone clear up the types of hammer actions

thanks

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#681301 - 01/20/08 03:38 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
gluttny Offline
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i would say trust your own fingers instead of concentrating on abbreviations. as far as i can remember GH3 is Yamaha's graded hammer technology of newer generation found on CLP 230 or CVP403 & above, premium probably means wooden keys GH effect with scaling and etc. GHS is found on cheaper models Yamaha, GH3 on CLP 230 and above. GH Premium on top of the range CLP280 and CVP407...IF i am not mistaken.

however for me the biggest issue is the straight connection between keys and sound dynamic there and no DP can match a proper acoustic in this instance. pity but you always face a compromise.

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#681302 - 01/20/08 04:20 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
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 Quote:
Originally posted by alleon:
Im kinda confused here. I see a lot of terms to describe the action of the yamaha DP. what the difference and what model have what.
[/b]
Here's the difference between actions.

Here's what floor models have which action.

You have to dig through the stage piano specifications to find each one. Yamaha does not make it easy to figure this out.
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#681303 - 01/20/08 11:53 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
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GHS - yamaha entry level graded hammer action (all entry level models such as P70/85, YDP-S30, etc.)
GH or GHE - mid level graded hammer action (most mid-high end stage pianos: P140,CP33/300)
GH3 - new generation graded hammer action (CLP230-270, CVP403+)
NW - natural wood (white key) action (CLP280 or CVP409, some grand models CVP309GP/CGP1000, CLP295GP)

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#681304 - 01/21/08 02:31 AM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
gluttny Offline
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i can attest GH3 is very good and you need not have wooden Premium HG or NW.

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#681305 - 01/21/08 08:31 AM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
alleon Offline
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thanks for information... so sounds like GH3 is the one that i should be looking at....

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#681306 - 01/11/09 04:26 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
iroh Offline
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Originally posted by signa:
GHS - yamaha entry level graded hammer action (all entry level models such as P70/85, YDP-S30, etc.)
GH or GHE - mid level graded hammer action (most mid-high end stage pianos: P140,CP33/300)
GH3 - new generation graded hammer action (CLP230-270, CVP403+)
NW - natural wood (white key) action (CLP280 or CVP409, some grand models CVP309GP/CGP1000, CLP295GP) [/b]
your post is good, but now i want to know what are the differences between each of them other than just this one this better then that one etc

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#681307 - 01/11/09 04:40 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
jscomposer Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by iroh:
your post is good, but now i want to know what are the differences between each of them other than just this one this better then that one etc [/b]
Go to a local dealer and try them. You'll know the difference better than any words could explain. Just ask the sales person which models have which. (And check the tags to make sure. LOL)

I'm not trying to be a dick. You really need to go try these things in person. If I'm remembering correctly, someone recently spent all this time online trying to decide between a Yamaha and a Casio. Went to the store and walked out with a Roland.
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#681308 - 01/11/09 07:01 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
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GH3 have as a unique feature three sensors on every key. In practice this means that you can play very fast repeated notes like on a grand piano. Other digitals may struggle little with this type of playing.


Peace.

/Richard

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#681309 - 01/11/09 07:14 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
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Originally posted by Miracle:
GH3 have as a unique feature three sensors on every key. In practice this means that you can play very fast repeated notes like on a grand piano. Other digitals may struggle little with this type of playing.


Peace.

/Richard [/b]
I really gotta try that new action. I was in Guitar Center the other day, but they didn't have one with GH3.

It sounds great on paper, but it really depends on the execution. If the key travel is too small, then it'd be unrealistic, and might even result in unintentional repeated notes. But I'm pretty confident in Yamaha, so I'm eager to check it out.
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#681310 - 01/11/09 07:36 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
iroh Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by jscomposer:
 Quote:
Originally posted by iroh:
your post is good, but now i want to know what are the differences between each of them other than just this one this better then that one etc [/b]
Go to a local dealer and try them. You'll know the difference better than any words could explain. Just ask the sales person which models have which. (And check the tags to make sure. LOL)

I'm not trying to be a dick. You really need to go try these things in person. If I'm remembering correctly, someone recently spent all this time online trying to decide between a Yamaha and a Casio. Went to the store and walked out with a Roland. [/b]
i would try them but i have never played piano in my life and i am starting to learn right now, but first i need a decent piano and i am looking for one that has its keys be a similar feel to an acoustic piano. so now you know it doesn't make a difference to me if i go to the store to "try" them.

but i did take your advice and took a look at a couple of models in store, the lower end models from various manufactures have their keys feel spongy and springy and are way too light, nothing like a real piano at all. on the other hand, the higher end models the keys are more heavy and the movement feels more like a real piano. just like i expected.

i suppose if it is "close enough" it won't make a difference to a newbie like me till i know better, but just trying to cover myself here and ask the right questions so i don't end up getting a piano that is more of a toy than an instrument.

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#681311 - 01/11/09 08:01 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
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mine has GH action. but GH3 (and NW) has an extra sensor per key to allow fast repetitions. if i were to buy another Yamaha, i would definitely go for the best action, GH3 or NW.

i've been wondering for a while: why Yamaha never put GH3 action on its stage pianos? right now, only CLPs or CVPs own such action.

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#681312 - 01/11/09 08:07 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
jscomposer Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by iroh:
[QUOTE]but i did take your advice and took a look at a couple of models in store, the lower end models from various manufactures have their keys feel spongy and springy and are way too light, nothing like a real piano at all. on the other hand, the higher end models the keys are more heavy and the movement feels more like a real piano. just like i expected.[/b]
Now you're talking! Even with your minimal experience you were able to tell the difference between the various actions, and you knew which felt closer to an acoustic. At that point, it's a matter of taste, budget, and other features you're interested in. You should make a list of what you want. And not a list of features and specifications, but a description of what you want to do with the instrument. Then we can better help you find one with the specs and features you'll need.

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Originally posted by signa:
mine has GH action. but GH3 (and NW) has an extra sensor per key to allow fast repetitions. if i were to buy another Yamaha, i would definitely go for the best action, GH3 or NW.

i've been wondering for a while: why Yamaha never put GH3 action on its stage pianos? right now, only CLPs or CVPs own such action. [/b]
I can play repetitions on my P80 as fast as my fingers will go. Even on GH action, you can repeat notes without letting the key return fully. But I'm eager to try the GH3.

I agree, it's about time they offer a portable with GH3. You know what would be sweet, is if GH3 were a drop-in replacement for GHE. Still, I gotta find one to try out first to really determine if it's worth it.
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#681313 - 01/11/09 08:16 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
iroh Offline
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Registered: 01/05/09
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 Quote:
Originally posted by jscomposer:
 Quote:
Originally posted by iroh:
[QUOTE]but i did take your advice and took a look at a couple of models in store, the lower end models from various manufactures have their keys feel spongy and springy and are way too light, nothing like a real piano at all. on the other hand, the higher end models the keys are more heavy and the movement feels more like a real piano. just like i expected.[/b]
Now you're talking! Even with your minimal experience you were able to tell the difference between the various actions, and you knew which felt closer to an acoustic. At that point, it's a matter of taste, budget, and other features you're interested in. You should make a list of what you want. And not a list of features and specifications, but a description of what you want to do with the instrument. Then we can better help you find one with the specs and features you'll need. [/b]
i have been doing a lot of reading here for the last couple of days and i have pretty much settled for the Yamaha p140 based on the features and the (low) price tag it carries (still a student here, budget is a bit tight right now)

so right now i am waiting until after NAMM before i consider buying. just because the p140 is four years old, it is probably due for a successor and i don't want to get "stuck" with an old model (unless i can get it discounted more than usual)

so that's what i know, what i don't know is what other manufactures (kawai, roland, etc) have got that competes at the same level as the yamaha p140. i've pretty much settled on yamaha since the beginning, they make good stuff and it also makes my life a lot easier since i didn't have to look at several companies piano lineups to find what i want. but im just curious what other companies have got to compete against the p140. would appreciate the help there.

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#681314 - 01/11/09 08:51 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
Horwinkle Offline
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Registered: 09/22/08
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 Quote:
Originally posted by alleon:
thanks for information... so sounds like GH3 is the one that i should be looking at.... [/b]
Yes, the GH3 is the better choice. I found it to be much better than the lesser keyboards.

Here's a summary of the keyboard types across a variety of current and older Yamaha DPs. (When they say Natural Wood (NW), I presume that's a GH3 action, but with wooden white keys.
 Code:
CLP-280    NW
CLP-295GP  NW
CLP-380    NW
CLPS-308   NW
CVP-407    NW
CVP-409    NW
CGP-1000   NW

CLP-230    GH3
CLP-240    GH3
CLP-265GP  GH3
CLP-270    GH3

CLP-330    GH3
CLP-340    GH3
CLP-370    GH3
CVP-403    GH3
CVP-405    GH3
CLPS-306   GH3

YDP-140    GHS
YDP-131C   GHS
YDPS-30    GHS
YPG-625    GHS
YPG-635    GHS
DGX-630    GHS
P65        GHS
P70        GHS
P85        GHS

CP-300     GHE
CP-33      GHE
YDP-160    GHE
YDP-223    GHE
P-140      GHE

CLP-220    GH
CLP-320    GH
CVP-401    GH

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#681315 - 01/12/09 01:03 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
mallard Offline
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Registered: 08/12/08
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 Quote:
Originally posted by iroh:
 Quote:
Originally posted by jscomposer:
 Quote:
Originally posted by iroh:
[QUOTE]but i did take your advice and took a look at a couple of models in store, the lower end models from various manufactures have their keys feel spongy and springy and are way too light, nothing like a real piano at all. on the other hand, the higher end models the keys are more heavy and the movement feels more like a real piano. just like i expected.[/b]
Now you're talking! Even with your minimal experience you were able to tell the difference between the various actions, and you knew which felt closer to an acoustic. At that point, it's a matter of taste, budget, and other features you're interested in. You should make a list of what you want. And not a list of features and specifications, but a description of what you want to do with the instrument. Then we can better help you find one with the specs and features you'll need. [/b]
i have been doing a lot of reading here for the last couple of days and i have pretty much settled for the Yamaha p140 based on the features and the (low) price tag it carries (still a student here, budget is a bit tight right now)

so right now i am waiting until after NAMM before i consider buying. just because the p140 is four years old, it is probably due for a successor and i don't want to get "stuck" with an old model (unless i can get it discounted more than usual)

so that's what i know, what i don't know is what other manufactures (kawai, roland, etc) have got that competes at the same level as the yamaha p140. i've pretty much settled on yamaha since the beginning, they make good stuff and it also makes my life a lot easier since i didn't have to look at several companies piano lineups to find what i want. but im just curious what other companies have got to compete against the p140. would appreciate the help there. [/b]
i am about to buy a digital piano myself, I have been researching it a couple months, made a lot of posts here and finally settled on the P140.

that is until I went back and played one again. The Kawai EP2 or the Roland FP7 I thought had much better action and sound.

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#681316 - 01/12/09 01:05 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
iroh Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by mallard:
 Quote:
Originally posted by iroh:
 Quote:
Originally posted by jscomposer:
quote:
Originally posted by iroh:
[QUOTE]but i did take your advice and took a look at a couple of models in store, the lower end models from various manufactures have their keys feel spongy and springy and are way too light, nothing like a real piano at all. on the other hand, the higher end models the keys are more heavy and the movement feels more like a real piano. just like i expected.[/b]
Now you're talking! Even with your minimal experience you were able to tell the difference between the various actions, and you knew which felt closer to an acoustic. At that point, it's a matter of taste, budget, and other features you're interested in. You should make a list of what you want. And not a list of features and specifications, but a description of what you want to do with the instrument. Then we can better help you find one with the specs and features you'll need. [/b]
i have been doing a lot of reading here for the last couple of days and i have pretty much settled for the Yamaha p140 based on the features and the (low) price tag it carries (still a student here, budget is a bit tight right now)

so right now i am waiting until after NAMM before i consider buying. just because the p140 is four years old, it is probably due for a successor and i don't want to get "stuck" with an old model (unless i can get it discounted more than usual)

so that's what i know, what i don't know is what other manufactures (kawai, roland, etc) have got that competes at the same level as the yamaha p140. i've pretty much settled on yamaha since the beginning, they make good stuff and it also makes my life a lot easier since i didn't have to look at several companies piano lineups to find what i want. but im just curious what other companies have got to compete against the p140. would appreciate the help there. [/b]
i am about to buy a digital piano myself, I have been researching it a couple months, made a lot of posts here and finally settled on the P140.

that is until I went back and played one again. The Kawai EP2 or the Roland FP7 I thought had much better action and sound.

what are the prices for the models you just listed?

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#681317 - 01/12/09 02:42 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
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#681318 - 01/12/09 02:52 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
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#681319 - 01/12/09 03:38 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
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#681320 - 01/12/09 03:57 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
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#681321 - 01/12/09 04:16 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
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#681322 - 01/12/09 04:27 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
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hey, can you guys be a bit more judicious with your quoting?

Other folks have noted differences in models that ostensibly have the same action, so this is not unique.

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#681323 - 01/12/09 05:03 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
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Originally posted by iroh:
...and the p140 and the cp300 have the same keyboard, so i don't understand how you can say the cp300 feel is awesome and not hold the p140 in the same regard. maybe you should do a blind test. [/b]
The action is only a part of the package that makes the feel of the piano.
The sound is very important.
The P140 has small speakers with limited power and the sound is not impressing in any way unless you use headphones. The CP300 has bigger speakers with a lot of power. That makes a HUGE difference. :-)


Peace.

/Richard

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#681324 - 01/12/09 07:46 PM Re: GH vs GHS vs GH3 vs GH1 vs GH2 vs Premium GH
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Plus, the CP300 weighs around twice as much as is built more rugged. That probably has an impact on the feel. It also depends on how the store had them set up. If the P140 was on a wobbly stand and the CP300 was on a heavy duty stable stand, that'd effect your perception of the feel as well.

Iroh, you might want to check out the Casio Privia PX320. It's a few 100 bucks less than the P140 and has surprisingly good action. Built-in speakers, good connections too. This is coming from a Yamaha fan, BTW. Just don't ask me for details. I only played one briefly, I didn't give it a rigorous audition. I'm just saying it's well worth looking into, especially if you're on a budget.
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