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#684825 - 06/03/04 06:30 PM Re: what's the difference between the Yamaha P90 and P120?
p120Man Offline
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Registered: 05/21/04
Posts: 57
Loc: USA
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Originally posted by Mike Martin:
No, read my original post again. I said play a C MAJOR chord. FYI - Thats C, E and G. All three notes will resonate as the lower C note contains these harmonics. BTW, the C would be the loudest, the E and G would be much quieter.

Also re-read my post above as I correctly said that the "D" would not resonate at all. [/b]
I tried this on the C5 today also, all i noticed was the C ringing. After I striked C, i could hear the C ringing, and I slowly let go of the E and G keys. I could not hear any difference as I let them go, i just hear d the C ringing still.

This is the truth, mike, i wouldnt lie on an open forum and anywhere.

I tried this on the p120, and the C was definatly ringing in sympathy. Its not any reverb, its definalty ringing.

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#684826 - 06/03/04 06:38 PM Re: what's the difference between the Yamaha P90 and P120?
Mike Martin Offline
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Registered: 06/02/04
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Loc: Buena Park, CA
Then you have the only P120 in the world that can do this. I'm not denying that you are hearing SOMETHING, but you are not hearing "Harmonic Resonance" as appears on the P250.

As I've said before, I appreciate and share your enthusiasm about the P120. However, misinformation about this topic and other "modeling" features are simply wrong.

If you like to discuss this further, feel free to contact me directly by phone.

Yamaha Corporation of America
6600 Orangethorpe Ave.
Buena Park, CA 90620
(714) 522-9011
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#684827 - 06/03/04 06:42 PM Re: what's the difference between the Yamaha P90 and P120?
p120Man Offline
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Registered: 05/21/04
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Loc: USA
I am hearing harmonic resonance, just like a piano. I hear it clear and crisp. And now, that is all i will say on this forum and thread.

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#684828 - 06/03/04 07:06 PM Re: what's the difference between the Yamaha P90 and P120?
Frungy Offline
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Registered: 05/24/04
Posts: 283
Loc: Tokyo, Japan
Hi Mike- thanks for all the great info. Getting back to the original topic, though... are the P90 and P120 pretty much the same instrument, except one includes speakers and one doesn't? I'm not very concerned with differences in computer output, just sound quality and touch.

Thanks!

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#684829 - 06/03/04 07:30 PM Re: what's the difference between the Yamaha P90 and P120?
Mike Martin Offline
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Registered: 06/02/04
Posts: 9
Loc: Buena Park, CA
Since this topic continues to come up I'm getting specifics from our soundware department.

Aside from the speakers, the feature set is essentially the same. They have the same key action too.

There are slight differences in the voicing. If you have the opportunity to play them both, do so. Again, I'll confirm the exact differences.

My understanding is that both instruments use sanmples taken from the SAME CFIIIS piano during the same recording session. However its possible that different velocity layers and/or mic placements were chosen for each instrument.

I've ordered a P90 for our lab so I can get comparison recordings up on the web. Even so, playing both will give you the best comparison.
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#684830 - 06/03/04 11:42 PM Re: what's the difference between the Yamaha P90 and P120?
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The kid said:
And now, that is all i will say on this forum and thread.[/b]

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#684831 - 07/08/04 07:23 PM Re: what's the difference between the Yamaha P90 and P120?
zpianoguy Offline
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Registered: 07/08/04
Posts: 4
Loc: Texas
Is the p90 the same as the p120 sound wise (can't quite afford the p250 and I think the p90 is more roadable) I read th post and I am still not sure. The p90 was demo'd thru a little Roland keyboard amp and wasn't as fat sounding (was it the amp?)
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#684832 - 07/09/04 03:32 AM Re: what's the difference between the Yamaha P90 and P120?
zpianoguy Offline
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Registered: 07/08/04
Posts: 4
Loc: Texas
Sorry to run this in the ground. I use an old Peavy 600 PA brain, 15'woofer cab. with a horn.
This has produced a more than acceptable sound with an older Kurzweil piano module. The P90 didn't sound as nice as P120 in the store with the Roland keyboard amp they were using (irreguardless of trying to tweak tone). The salesman indicated that the P90 was more roadable and was Identical soundwise. Is the 120
so fragile? I just want to get that sound the 120 produces through it's little speakers through my Peavy and through our band's PA that I send my signal too. Help please (old confused hippy)
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#684833 - 07/09/04 03:35 AM Re: what's the difference between the Yamaha P90 and P120?
zpianoguy Offline
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Registered: 07/08/04
Posts: 4
Loc: Texas
15" woofer(not 15'....LOL)
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#684834 - 07/09/04 08:47 AM Re: what's the difference between the Yamaha P90 and P120?
Zymtil Offline
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Registered: 04/13/03
Posts: 433
Loc: CS, Texas
The P90 has a different (newer) sample, but should be almost identical to the P120 as far as sound goes. The salesman that indicated that the P90 was more "roadable" was probably refering to the fact that the P90 has no onboard speakers so it weighs less and takes up less space.

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#684835 - 07/10/04 05:08 AM Re: what's the difference between the Yamaha P90 and P120?
Matteo Offline
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Registered: 05/28/04
Posts: 9
Loc: Italy
A salesman here in Italy told me that P60, P90 and P120 share the same samples and the same key action.
Is it true, even for the P60?

Thank you.
Matteo

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#684836 - 07/14/04 05:18 PM Re: what's the difference between the Yamaha P90 and P120?
zpianoguy Offline
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Registered: 07/08/04
Posts: 4
Loc: Texas
TY to Zymtil....I have pretty well decided on 120 now. I like the idea of just plugging it in. Although a bit more expensive, it's usually a 5 yr. commitment (going for the gusto) thnx for the input.
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#684837 - 07/18/04 11:02 PM Re: what's the difference between the Yamaha P90 and P120?
IceCreaMPiMP Offline
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Registered: 04/10/04
Posts: 58
Loc: Connecticut
Sorry for the slight side tracking but I was wondering how the Motif es8 compared to the afforementioned models. Does it have string resonance and does it use the same samples as the p250?
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#684838 - 07/22/04 06:28 PM Re: what's the difference between the Yamaha P90 and P120?
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Registered: 05/11/04
Posts: 1529
 Quote:
Originally posted by Mike Martin:
Since this topic continues to come up I'm getting specifics from our soundware department.

Aside from the speakers, the feature set is essentially the same. They have the same key action too.

There are slight differences in the voicing. If you have the opportunity to play them both, do so. Again, I'll confirm the exact differences.

My understanding is that both instruments use samples taken from the SAME CFIIIS piano during the same recording session. However its possible that different velocity layers and/or mic placements were chosen for each instrument.

I've ordered a P90 for our lab so I can get comparison recordings up on the web. Even so, playing both will give you the best comparison. [/b]
Mike is right in theory, they use the same source samples, but the results are different. The fact that there are differences in "voicing" results in a difference in response and clarity.
The P250 Grand Piano 1 has more clarity than the P120 Grand Piano 1 and the P120 Grand Piano 1 has more clarity then the P90 Grand Piano 1. The P250 and the 90 allow a more legato phrasing than the P120. I very much prefer the clarity, response and sympathetic string resonance I can only get with my P250. I dislike having to gig with my P120 but I do because it is only 40 pounds, not as heavy as my 72 pound P250. The P90 sits in the closet, I don't like its lack of clarity.
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#684839 - 07/22/04 07:00 PM Re: what's the difference between the Yamaha P90 and P120?
p120Man Offline
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Registered: 05/21/04
Posts: 57
Loc: USA
The p120's Clarity, Response, and Behavior is superb, and it kills the p250 and p90. Also, the "String Resonance" Program I have creates more complex resonances than the p250 can create.

-p120d-
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#684840 - 07/23/04 07:08 AM Re: what's the difference between the Yamaha P90 and P120?
ryan Offline
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Registered: 06/04/01
Posts: 1995
Loc: Colorado
The p120's Clarity, Response, and Behavior is superb, and it kills the p250 and p90. Also, the "String Resonance" Program I have creates more complex resonances than the p250 can create.
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#684841 - 07/27/04 08:52 AM Re: what's the difference between the Yamaha P90 and P120?
RandomThoughts Offline
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Registered: 07/27/04
Posts: 106
Loc: Canada
Huh, that Yamaha site referenced above is kinda... not so clear.

In the references to features, they don't say that the P-90 has the feature, they just say "many of the P series piano sounds". Only sometimes (and not with regard to string resonance) do they say "All models in the P series line are equipped with Yamaha ’s acclaimed Graded Hammer Effect".

A bit misleading, in my opinion, especially since it's the P90 page.

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