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#690141 - 03/07/08 08:13 PM Garritan Steinway
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Has this been released yet? Their website sure makes it look like it has and there's even an Order Now button that takes you to a page where there's no mention of Steinway.

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#690142 - 03/08/08 06:05 AM Re: Garritan Steinway
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#690143 - 03/08/08 06:14 AM Re: Garritan Steinway
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Yeah, I am part of that thread and there is no DEFINITIVE date on its release. There is mention of "really soon" and "hopefully the next three weeks..." - no DATE.

And why would there be an ORDER NOW button on the Garritan Steinway site that's a dead end? I've emailed Gary twice and have heard nothing back.

Still waiting...

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#690144 - 03/08/08 06:24 AM Re: Garritan Steinway
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Oooops, hadn't noticed Curt, it's still early in the morning here in Belgium ....

I am also waiting for the release, cause it looks so promissing on paper altough the hardware it needs seems as heavy as with IVORY.

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#690145 - 03/08/08 07:02 AM Re: Garritan Steinway
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When I first discovered Ivory I knew I had to upgrade my studio PC to a 3GHz XP machine with 2GB of RAM. Ivory runs GREAT on it with release samples, soft samples, and resonance all running. I hope that when I install Garritan that it doesn't "need" an adrenaline boost beyond what I have. I play only solo piano so I don't have anything else running that chews up RAM or clock cycles.

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#690146 - 03/08/08 12:02 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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What kind of sound card do you use with Ivory, and how low have you been able to go with latency?

My setup (2GHz Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, fast 500GB drive and Audiotrak Prodigy 7.1 with native ASIO drivers) can't go lower than 11ms without clicking sound, which drives me crazy. I still don't know what the problem might be - the card can technically support as low as 2ms in its drivers.


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#690147 - 03/08/08 03:35 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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I'm using the TASCAM Fireone as my audio/MIDI interface and I'm currently at 5ms. I have polyphony (voices) set to 64 and the buffer at medium.

Do you get clicks in standalone mode or when running it as a plug-in?

Do you have the latest drivers for your card? I'm not familiar with that make. But if it's 7.1 it has WAY more than I would need as a solo pianist!

Remember, Synthogy suggests that you store the library files on a different drive from DAW. I have mine on an external 7200RPM Firewire drive.

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#690148 - 03/12/08 09:37 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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I've been thinking about getting Garritan's Personal Orchestra for some time and been visiting the garritan website for a few years now.

The Steinway software has been more than a few years in the making and the release date was pushed out farther several times. If they've now gotten to the point where they have the BUY NOW on their website, I venture to say release really IS eminent.

I'm disappointed to hear you've rec'd no reply to you inquiry from Gary. Word is Garritan has EXCELLENT customer support. The few questions I've emailed, have been answered within a day, sometimes less.

(Hey, I doubt Gary himself is sitting there answering all those questions. There's probably a "Gary 2", "Gary 3"...and so on, if you get my meaning.

I'd say keep watching the website. They are a quality outfit and my guess is the S&S stuff will be here soon!

If you get the software, I hope you'll post here your opinion of it.

Jeanne W

Edit: http://garritan.com/order.php

It looks to me like you CAN order it now, the software is available to buy. What is NOT yet done: samples of the software so potential buyers can listen to it have not yet been posted on the garritan website. I don't know, that's what it looks like to me -???
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#690149 - 03/12/08 11:25 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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I think that Gary G. posted on northernsounds that the demos would be user demos.

He's currently waiting for the documentation to be printed.

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#690150 - 03/13/08 05:59 AM Re: Garritan Steinway
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Yeah, he's waiting for users to post their demos.

Jeanne, I don't see where you see that it's available? Steinway is not on the order form that is displayed.

Curt

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#690151 - 03/13/08 07:26 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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Sorry, Curt. You're right, I'm wrong. I think I when I got to the "Order On-Line" area I stopped looking and just assumed it was on the list of items to order.

Having it say "Order Now" and then getting dead-ended. That's kind of stinky, isn't it?

Jeanne W

P.S. Don't know if this has been discussed here, but the Bluthner software piano - some of those soundclips sound really great. \:\)

http://www.proaudiovault.com/
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#690152 - 03/14/08 10:17 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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The Bluthner One has a unique, distinctive voice and includes "Timbral Impulses" which can modify its character in various ways.

The Garritan Steinway includes una corda samples. I'm looking forward to hearing a user demo which includes them.

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#690153 - 03/15/08 07:19 AM Re: Garritan Steinway
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I'm now actually considering the Quantum Leap Pianos. $445 for 4 pianos and they sound unbelievable. Everything EastWest creates sounds unbelievable. The QL Yamaha sounds so much better than the one in the Ivory library.

Curt

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#690154 - 03/15/08 01:10 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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QL Pianos seems extrordinary indeed. I'm just completely taken aback by large size of the library - it's The Biggest Sampled Piano Ever :-D 60GB for a single piano seems too much, unless really neede - I wonder whether my computer would be able to kick it in \:\)
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#690155 - 03/24/08 10:20 AM Re: Garritan Steinway
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Thread revival - some news from Garritan on the library:

http://www.garritan.com/steinway_comparison.html

Detailed comparison of planned versions. Unfortunately, the 99$ basic version seems to be too small to be really good, with less than full key range covered with sampling.


M.
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#690156 - 03/24/08 08:16 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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I'm keeping a daily eye on that site! I don't get how they can publish "Garritan announces the release[/b] of the Authorized Steinway Virtual Concert Grand Piano" on their site when it is NOT released! They are announcing an upcoming product at best. I really would like to have a date of availability. I don't understand the secrecy!!!

Curt

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#690157 - 03/24/08 08:38 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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As far as I can see, they announce that release is imminent - but somehow the button "BUY NOW" is there. I don't understand that either.
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#690158 - 03/29/08 08:41 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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ALL RIGHT!! Get it while it's hot!!

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#690159 - 03/30/08 08:55 AM Re: Garritan Steinway
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I will wait for sound demos and reviews I suppose :p
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#690160 - 03/30/08 01:05 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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this sample blew me away with how it sounded so real
Steinway Concert D Grand


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#690161 - 03/30/08 02:16 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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Mati, the comparison page shows that only the Professional version is available in a 24 bit format.

I, too, am waiting for demos - which I think Gary G. posted would be user demos - and hope that someone will make one which uses the una corda samples.

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#690162 - 03/31/08 05:37 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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Demos are available: http://garritan.com/steinway_demos.html

Its also listed as 'Shipping' !

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#690163 - 03/31/08 07:08 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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Wow - it sounds VERY NICE!
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#690164 - 04/02/08 05:19 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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The demos made with the 24-bit version are particularly fine. I'm hoping that someone will do a demo which makes extensive use of the sostenuto pedal and which features a lot of exposed notes played slowly.

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#690165 - 04/02/08 10:24 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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Wow - the demos are impressive!

My immediate reaction, however, is, there is, as with all wanna-be acoustic piano sounds, something that makes it sound not quite right, not quite like an acoustic piano.

I'm thinking it sounds a little too "soft" (maybe on impact-when the hammer is supposed to be striking the string) or somehow too fluid.

That sounds semi-ridiculous. Does anyone think what I've said makes any sense? Does anyone else hear what I'm hearing?

[Edit: Well, maybe all the demos are not created equal. I just listened to the very first demo. That one sounds SUPER!]

Jeanne W
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#690166 - 04/03/08 10:48 AM Re: Garritan Steinway
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I think Chopin's Scherzo is one of the best samples of the library. I tried listening to Moonlight sonata 3rd movement and found it ridiculously soft in bass. No meat in that pounding! I was afraid it is just sampled like that - but scherzo is way better.
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#690167 - 04/22/08 01:10 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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It's so quiet here since april 3 about Garritan STEINWAY. I've read some very promissing things in one or two other forums but still not much in my favorite forum here.

How about a review from a/some happy owner(s)?

- How does it compare to Synthogy IVORY?

- Is the BASIC (16-bit) version good?

I've read that the PRO 32-bit version PLAYER perspective is really great, but what about the BASIC ( Close Audience Perspective / 16-bit "Good Quality") version?

What about hardware? Is it more or less demanding on RAM and/or CPU than Ivory?

> I have "only" a 5 year old Pentium 4 - 2.66 MHZ and 1.5 GB RAM. Wil I have problems?
Do i really need at least a 2.8 Ghz CPU Pentium 4 and 2 GB of RAM (according to the Garritan website) even to run the BASIC version?

> Will my older soundcard CREATIVE AUDIGY (version 1) be enough to run the BASIC version? (of course with the ASIO drivers)
Or will it have "crackling fireplace"-sound? and delays of 12 or more milliseconds?

> My harddisk is a WESTERN DIGITAL Caviar 800 JB with "only" 80 GB but with 7200 RPM spindle and a 8 MB buffer. Is this good/fast enough?

I never used a Software Piano and i am very happy with my Yamaha CLP-240 samples through my Sennheiser HD 595 headphones, but i became
very interested since i listened first to the IVORY and now discovered the GARRITAN STEINWAY demosamples, they sound so beautiful!

;\)
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#690168 - 04/22/08 03:35 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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Jeanne W posted,
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I'm thinking it sounds a little too "soft" (maybe on impact-when the hammer is supposed to be striking the string) or somehow too fluid.
This may be a matter of which "perspective" was used for that demo. In general the perspectives for which the mikes were placed farther away will make a softer impression. Something like sitting out in concert hall - the classical perspective - as opposed to being on stage.

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#690169 - 04/23/08 07:09 PM Re: Garritan Steinway
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I ordered the PRO version yesterday and I'm going to spend all weekend with it. I'll post what I can after that.

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#690170 - 05/19/08 04:11 AM Re: Garritan Steinway
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Still no impressions, reviews, experiences with GARRITAN STEINWAY?

Better than Synthogy IVORY?

Anybody?

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