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#693214 - 07/28/03 04:27 PM $700-800 budget: Yamaha P60
JoeKamel Offline
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Registered: 07/28/03
Posts: 6
Loc: Denver, CO
A repost from http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=004513

Hi all, discovered this forum...

I'm about to buy a digital piano. I live in upper floor apartment, and low budget (less than $1000), so I guess this is the way to go.

I need 88 keys, and weighted keys. A little background, I played about 10 years in my youth on a Yamaha upright. Stopped playing for about 7 years, and just recently began playing again. What can I say, turns out I really do love piano, thanks mom for forcing to practice all those years \:D . Now working on Chopin Nocturnes, they're just so damn beautiful.

After doing some research, the Yamaha P60 looks pretty good at $750.

http://www.musiciansbuy.com/yamaha_p60_digital_piano.htm

Anyone had experience with this? I was also looking at Casio PS20 which is about $50 less.

I first looked at the Yamaha DXG500 which is about $600, but the keys didn't feel right. So I'm willing to pay a little more for a better feel and sound. I don't have an oportunity to try out P60 or PS20, so I'm asking here.

Opinions appreciated, much thanks.

Also, how much better are $1500 digital pianos than these?

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#693215 - 07/28/03 04:37 PM Re: $700-800 budget: Yamaha P60
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Joe, IMHO you can get a nice digital piano for $1500 maybe, less. I would suggest looking for hammer weighted actions and progressively weighted keys. This is if you want a substitute for an actual piano and are going to play a majority of piano music on it. As I said, you can find a nice one and they are actually nicer than a $3000 new acoustic piano.
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#693216 - 07/28/03 08:24 PM Re: $700-800 budget: Yamaha P60
jkeene Offline
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Registered: 07/08/03
Posts: 701
Loc: Central Florida
Joe,

There's a definite improvement in the sound as you move up past the $1500 mark. The Yamaha P-250 is what I went with, both my wife (a flute player) and myself could hear the difference immediately versus a P-80.

However, you'll want to try them out in person. I spent a good bit of time trying the sound and action on most of the instruments in that range and found what I liked best. Others like a Kawai, or a Roland, or a Korg. To me the feel of the action on those was just a bit squishy compared to the Yamaha, although the sound on the Roland was quite good.

One thing you'll want to save some budget for is extra speakers. A small home stereo with a pair of clear speakers improves the sound immensely. Doesn't have to have power, just clarity and some more square inches moving the air.

Jeff

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#693217 - 07/28/03 08:56 PM Re: $700-800 budget: Yamaha P60
subarus Offline
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Registered: 12/10/01
Posts: 215
Hi..

P60 is a nice , 88 weighted keys piano BUT the keys are plastics and has only 32 polyphony. You will have problem playing big chord pieces with multi bars pedaling. Try your chopin on it and you will see what I mean. With a good headphone you will heard notes being drop off as the equipment reaches its max polyphony.

Casio PS20 is nice too, but like the P60 has only 32 polyphony. Unlike the P60, the keys are weighted equally. The P60 is heavier on the lower registers just like the grand piano.

As you already noticed, Yamaha DGX500 is NOT weighted keys piano despite what the brochure says. I have written to Yamaha expressing my complain about the corporation attempting to deceive uninform buyers. DGX500 is a crime !

Kawai ES1 is a weighted 88 keys piano and looks very slim. The sound, like any Kawai piano, is much fuller.. depending on your preference ofcoz. But problem with ES1 is its only 32 polyphony.

I notice that some professional musicians dont mind 32 polyphony if they are using it for Jazz, pop or rock music.. but it wont do for an informed/advanced classical pianist.

Stage piano often used on stage for rock,jazz,pop performances are (and you may add as you wish): Korg SP500, Kawai MP9000, ES1,ESX, Roland RD500,FP1, Yamaha P80. I think due to the homely appearance of P120, I dont see alot of it on stage.

Yamaha P80 is very popular among gigging pianist. Its light, has fully weighted keys. It doesnt have onboard speakers like the ps20,p60,es1. You need a good pair of headphone to appreciate it, otherwise you will have to plug it into your hifi system. I believe its discontinued and replaced by the P90.

Yamaha P120 has better sample size (thus better sound) than the P80 but comes with onboard speakers. Its slightly heavier than the P80 by about 4lbs.

The Yamaha P200 and P250 are higher class stage digital piano which I think is out of your price range. I think P250 has 128 polyphony. I personally wouldnt spend more than US$2000 on anything electronics no matter how good it is... unless I am Billy Joel or Elton John ofcoz.

Ofcos there are digital stage piano such as Roland FP1, Kawai MP9000, Fatar, Korg and Alesis which I am not familiar with..

Try the P120, see if you can get a bargain price to suit your budget, otherwise try P90 if it suit you. You need to try experiment and understand the limitation of the 32 polyphony machines and to avoid those if it bothers you. They are ideal for children or beginners for the first 5 years of lessons, especially the P60/ES1/PS20. Save up a few hundred bucks to get a proffesional class machines, and with the piano training under your belt.. you wont regret it. A pro class machines, depending on who you ask, in my opinion as a classical pianist are those that has multi velocity samples, keyoff samples, simulated sympathetic resonance, simulated half pedaling, 64 polyphony or better and ofcoz weighted 88 keys. If budget is still an issue for you, I think the only choice you have is the Yamaha P80 which in my opinion is suitable for a decade trained genuine classical pianist, like yourself.

Personally, I have a Yamaha P120 . Although the touch is very close to an acoustic piano, but I had problems adapting to it initially. I later discovered that if I set it to appropriate loudness and never touch the settings ever again, I can get used to it. I have come to the conclusion that a pianist can get used to the touch and sound of ANY professional class digital piano IF the volume and settings of the equipment does not change all the time. Needless to say you need a good headphone and pedal. Needless to say also, nothing is like the real acoustic piano.. which I have grown to appriciate more because of the luxury I have to extend practice time on the digital.


And tell everybody DGX500 is a crime which unfortunately is selling like hotcakes because of the price and features. It has lots of other voices and features. Its not a keyboard and not a piano.. Young children are better off with professional spring loaded keyboard such as the PSR 3000 than the DGX. The problem I have with DGX is that its marketed as a piano but it actually isnt. The keys are shaped like piano keys unlike the synthesizers keys, its intentionally designed to deceive.


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Originally posted by JoeKamel:
A repost from http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=004513

I'm about to buy a digital piano. I live in upper floor apartment, and low budget (less than $1000), so I guess this is the way to go.

I need 88 keys, and weighted keys. A little background, I played about 10 years in my youth on a Yamaha upright. Stopped playing for about 7 years, and just recently began playing again. What can I say, turns out I really do love piano, thanks mom for forcing to practice all those years \:D . Now working on Chopin Nocturnes, they're just so damn beautiful.

After doing some research, the Yamaha P60 looks pretty good at $750.


http://www.musiciansbuy.com/yamaha_p60_digital_piano.htm

Anyone had experience with this? I was also looking at Casio PS20 which is about $50 less.

I first looked at the Yamaha DXG500 which is about $600, but the keys didn't feel right. So I'm willing to pay a little more for a better feel and sound. I don't have an oportunity to try out P60 or PS20, so I'm asking here.

Opinions appreciated, much thanks.

Also, how much better are $1500 digital pianos than these? [/b]

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#693218 - 07/29/03 12:36 AM Re: $700-800 budget: Yamaha P60
JDWooWoo Offline
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Registered: 05/28/03
Posts: 123
Loc: cyberspace
I agree, the main problem with the P60 is the limited polyphony. I thought the touch was ok.

Subarus, you're right on about the DGX500. I actually had one for a short time, and had to trade it in because the touch was useless. However, there is one way I could see it as useful: if you've just wrecked your wrists playing 16 hours straight on an acoustic, and you just have to play, the feather-light touch of the DGX might come in handy. But save yourself $300+ and get the DGX202 instead, and be free of those weird piano-shaped keys.
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#693219 - 07/30/03 03:42 PM Re: $700-800 budget: Yamaha P60
JoeKamel Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 07/28/03
Posts: 6
Loc: Denver, CO
Thanks everyone for very informed replies. Especially subarus.

I decided to go with the P60, mainly for the price. And because I'll likely move into a house in 4-6 months, and getting back the Yamaha upright then. So this is good enough to tide me over until then.

Greatly appreciated.

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#693220 - 07/30/03 04:33 PM Re: $700-800 budget: Yamaha P60
justme Offline
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Registered: 06/11/03
Posts: 4418
Loc: Englewood, FL
 Quote:
Originally posted by JoeKamel:
Thanks everyone for very informed replies. Especially subarus.

I decided to go with the P60, mainly for the price. And because I'll likely move into a house in 4-6 months, and getting back the Yamaha upright then. So this is good enough to tide me over until then.

Greatly appreciated. [/b]
JoeKamel,
Enjoy!!!
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#693221 - 07/30/03 07:03 PM Re: $700-800 budget: Yamaha P60
subarus Offline
Full Member

Registered: 12/10/01
Posts: 215
Enjoy yourself.. and I am sure you will find good use for the P60 even after you are reunited with your upright.

 Quote:
Originally posted by JoeKamel:
Thanks everyone for very informed replies. Especially subarus.

I decided to go with the P60, mainly for the price. And because I'll likely move into a house in 4-6 months, and getting back the Yamaha upright then. So this is good enough to tide me over until then.

Greatly appreciated. [/b]

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