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#695620 - 04/03/05 09:45 AM Lets talk Cheap Synth Keyboards Sub $200
Ruffy Offline
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Registered: 04/03/05
Posts: 8
First off, I know I'll probably be castrated in a place like this, where the cheapest item I've seen is 1.5k. And it could go on and on on how synths are evil, key dynamics, weight, sound, tone quality, everything can come into play. But anyhoo lets give it a go. This will be long, and drawn out as I sometimes like to talk/type alot. I apologize for that.

Now years ago I took piano lessons. I don't really consider them lessons because the only thing I learned was that if I didn't sit up straight, I got hit with a ruler. I've played a variety of musical instruments(trumpet, clarinet, french horn, saxophone, drums) But It's been so long that I've pretty much forgotten how to read sheet music, and forgot the basic notes. The only real instrument I was good at was clarinet.

On top of that I had a electronic keyboard as a child, (12-16) And I liked it alot, It seems frumpy by todays standards, no LCD screen, small song/rythm bank. But it did have a drum session and the ability to save a minute or so of song. I never learned how to play with both hands simultaneously, so I cheated and used the song recording feature to do some songs. Even then things sounded 2 dimensional since I was almost never hitting 2 keys at the same time. I just never got far into it other then "play a few songs by ear"

Now I want to change that. I'd like to start learning properly. But several factors have to meet before I can buy one.

1) Must be priced around $150-200, This is non-negotiable. I only work part time, and have alot of other expenses.

2) Must be a synth keyboard with at least Midi Connectivity. I need one for small size.

3) Must have an LCD display

Thats it.

Now, Things like Weighted Keys, Soft Keys, Dont matter to me. I see myself buying an upright piano 7-10 years down the road. And possibly a grand piano 20-25 years down the road. This is just to learn on.

My Choices thus far are

Yamaha PSR275
Yamaha PSR295
Casio LK-90TV
Casio CTK-691 Discontinued

Now, Of those the LK-90TV has several nice features, Lighted Keys, TV out, Pc Connection, smart media slot. and a Detailed learning Mode

The Yamaha's have double the instruments/voices over the LK90TV

All have touch sensitive keys, and are 32-note Polyphonic.

You can find all except the discontinued model here
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?...gsortfilter.jsp

So there you have it. Which would you choose if you HAD to decide. or is there another model/brand out there for that price? Hardware wise It must be a synth for its compact-ness. Personally the Lighted Key Gimmick is appealing to me. I can pick that model up at sams club for $149.

Any input is appreciated.

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#695621 - 04/03/05 10:42 AM Re: Lets talk Cheap Synth Keyboards Sub $200
cobs Offline
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Loc: London
I'd choose CTK691 or PSR295.
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#695622 - 04/03/05 08:27 PM Re: Lets talk Cheap Synth Keyboards Sub $200
signa Offline
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Registered: 06/06/04
Posts: 8483
Loc: Ohio, USA
i would buy PSR295, and i got PSR292 before.

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#695623 - 04/03/05 08:29 PM Re: Lets talk Cheap Synth Keyboards Sub $200
ProPianoGuyBC Offline
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Registered: 09/24/04
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Ditto

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#695624 - 04/03/05 11:21 PM Re: Lets talk Cheap Synth Keyboards Sub $200
Ruffy Offline
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Registered: 04/03/05
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Any specific reason?

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#695625 - 04/04/05 12:30 AM Re: Lets talk Cheap Synth Keyboards Sub $200
Cryptkeeper Offline
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Registered: 03/29/04
Posts: 114
Loc: Belgium
Either the psr275 or the psr295. I think I would go for the 275 because I don't see any extra features on the 295 where I would pay $50 extra for.
Keep in mind that you have to buy a power suppy since it's not included.

Also, don't let the lighted keys of the casio tempt you. It's a feature you probably won't use alot and while you use it you learn to play songs by just looking at the keys that light up, not reading the notes as you should do.

I also learned on a psr (forgot the model number) and I ran out of keys (61) in a year.

So I would go for the 275. Be certain to play them both in the store, maybe the sound of the 295 is better.
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#695626 - 04/04/05 05:43 PM Re: Lets talk Cheap Synth Keyboards Sub $200
Ruffy Offline
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Registered: 04/03/05
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I played the 275 at a store today, was 188 at fry's electronics( i'll buy the keyboard elsewhere cheaper)

61 keys just seems so small now... The one I had in the past mustuve been a 71-76 key. But those start around $299 \:\( And I don't have the funds for that.

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#695627 - 04/04/05 05:44 PM Re: Lets talk Cheap Synth Keyboards Sub $200
Ruffy Offline
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Registered: 04/03/05
Posts: 8
as for power supply. I have at least 53 power adapters here, of all voltage/amperage. If not, I can make one, or goto a store and pickup a 3-5 dollar one.

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#695628 - 04/05/05 09:39 AM Re: Lets talk Cheap Synth Keyboards Sub $200
cobs Offline
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Registered: 12/16/04
Posts: 327
Loc: London
 Quote:
Originally posted by Cryptkeeper:
Either the psr275 or the psr295. I think I would go for the 275 because I don't see any extra features on the 295 where I would pay $50 extra for.
Keep in mind that you have to buy a power suppy since it's not included.

Also, don't let the lighted keys of the casio tempt you. It's a feature you probably won't use alot and while you use it you learn to play songs by just looking at the keys that light up, not reading the notes as you should do.

I also learned on a psr (forgot the model number) and I ran out of keys (61) in a year.

So I would go for the 275. Be certain to play them both in the store, maybe the sound of the 295 is better. [/b]
295 does sound much better.
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#695629 - 04/05/05 09:05 PM Re: Lets talk Cheap Synth Keyboards Sub $200
Ruffy Offline
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Registered: 04/03/05
Posts: 8
Well I played the 275
The 293
The 295

Casio 3000
Casio 90TV
Yamaha EZ play 150
Yamaha EZ play 250

And a bunch of 1000-5000 Keyboards today.

Now. The 90TV. is a nice Keyboard. Problem was it wasent very loud. The Lighted Keys were very nice. Espcially for learning.
The EZ play's had lighted Keys. But cost 179 for the 150 that didnt have an LCD display, and 160 for the 250 that did have one.

Overall the 295 def sounded better than the 275
I couldnt really tell the difference between the 295 and the 293 because I played them at different stores. I was ready to buy the 295 but the box was broken/keyboard chipped at store so i left it. 295 and 293 were same price.

The Casio 3000 was very nice But $299(76 KEY). Dont know which to get now, it or the 295/3. Didnt find the CTK691 anywhere cept online, dont know how it compared to the 3000

Weighted keys do feel nice but I cant justify spending that much right now. So im still in the $200 range.

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#695630 - 04/05/05 09:13 PM Re: Lets talk Cheap Synth Keyboards Sub $200
ProPianoGuyBC Offline
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Registered: 09/24/04
Posts: 388
The 295 and 293 are the same....The model number is typically only affected by the sales channel in which they are sold!


Generally, 293 is Big Box Retailer & 295 is MI Retailer

Someone please correct me if I am wrong...

Go with whomever you wish!

PPBC

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#695631 - 04/05/05 09:23 PM Re: Lets talk Cheap Synth Keyboards Sub $200
Ruffy Offline
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Registered: 04/03/05
Posts: 8
looks like i'll be buying the 293/295
I'm interested in its YES4 suite, and it has USB connection instead of older db midi

I'll also be buying a stand(19.99) and a sustain pedal(maybe later)

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#695632 - 04/06/05 12:52 PM Re: Lets talk Cheap Synth Keyboards Sub $200
cobs Offline
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Registered: 12/16/04
Posts: 327
Loc: London
CTK691 has the same sound as WK3000, apparently. Very good value keyboard.
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#695633 - 04/08/05 04:26 PM Re: Lets talk Cheap Synth Keyboards Sub $200
Ruffy Offline
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Registered: 04/03/05
Posts: 8
Well I bought the PSR295 for $185
Bought a Good KB Stand for $15
Bought the Yamaha Survival Kit for $29
and a Learn to play Piano Book + DVD for $19

I bought the survival kit because it contained a sustain pedal, dvd, and extra warranty.
The stand is worth $29.99 normally. I asked for the 14.99 version and the guy told me he had 4 in stock, after alot of looking he couldnt find one so he gave me the next version up for the same price.

As for the Yamaha kit. he Quoted me 29.99, Upon ring up it showed up as 35+. He bumped it down to 29.

Overall really cool guy hooked me up. Sure for what I spend I coulduve gotten a 76 key keyboard. but none of the extra stuff I needed (bench, book, sustain)

all in all im happy with my purchase. I Don't like the small song selection on the yamaha. but in the end it doesnt matter much. If need be I can always buy a new one a year or two down the road. I just recently started working so things are changing for me \:\)

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#695634 - 04/08/05 04:47 PM Re: Lets talk Cheap Synth Keyboards Sub $200
signa Offline
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Registered: 06/06/04
Posts: 8483
Loc: Ohio, USA
congratulations! i wouldn't bother with that survival kit but would buy a sustain pedal. you really don't need any extra warranty because the keyboard usually wouldn't need any repair before you discard it for a better one... but as long as you are happy with it.

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#695635 - 09/30/05 07:47 AM Re: Lets talk Cheap Synth Keyboards Sub $200
Rudy da Costa Offline
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Registered: 08/04/05
Posts: 22
Loc: Portugal
Does the PSR 293 have the grand piano feature on it?
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#695636 - 10/01/05 09:09 AM Re: Lets talk Cheap Synth Keyboards Sub $200
andymerrett Offline
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Registered: 09/30/05
Posts: 7
Loc: London, UK
Rudy,

According to Yamaha's PSR 293 product page : yes it does have the Portable Grand(TM) feature.
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