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#696379 - 08/23/05 12:46 PM New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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#696380 - 08/23/05 01:13 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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sounds like it will be priced around that of the P90.

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#696381 - 08/23/05 10:53 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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why do you say that msrp is $1499, $200 more than the p90. And I can't tell what the difference is to account for the higher price or the p140 moniker.

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#696382 - 08/24/05 01:25 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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The link doesn't work any more, and "search" returns no results on the P-140. Seems like someboday at HC pulled the plug on the story.

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#696383 - 08/24/05 07:42 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Since the link doesn't work anymore, do you guys have any information on the new P140?

Number of sounds?
Speakers?
Rhythm section?
etc.

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#696384 - 08/24/05 08:16 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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becasue the S08 synth (which I own) has the same list price, and I paid $999 for it, which is the smae price as the P90.

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#696385 - 08/24/05 10:54 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Is any pic of this new product available? The link just doesn't work anymore.... Anybody saved the pic? I heard that it's more like a home style digital piano.

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#696386 - 08/24/05 11:29 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Man I didn't save the pic. It looks very nice, they just had the silver and light wood version pictured. It looks about the same shape as the P90 and the write-up suggested it is light-weight like the P90. Obviously it should cost more than the P90 though given the list price they stated as $1499 (same as P120), and the name "P140". Nothing was mentioned about "new" piano samples, so I assume its the same three-layer (it did say this) samples that are on the p90 and p120.

It didn't looks like it had speakers, but I could be wrong. It said 64-note polyphony and 40 voices, that is more voices than the P90 (I think it has like 24?). Other than the different style and more voices, I couldn't tell what else separates it from the P90. I would think P95 would be a better name. Again, I don't know if it includes speakers but I don't think so.

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#696387 - 08/24/05 12:40 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Thanks very much for the details! :-)

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#696388 - 08/24/05 07:43 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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On the Harmony CentraL KSS forum, some people noticed that the there is something that lookks like the mesh of the speakers right above the keyboard.

Best.

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#696389 - 08/25/05 12:54 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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You guys peaked my curiousity. Here's a brief article and a pic of the silver model.

Here you go:
http://www.keyboardmag.com/story.asp?storycode=10366

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#696390 - 08/25/05 12:56 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Here's another picture I found while browing:

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#696391 - 08/25/05 04:44 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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raindogxx - thanks for the link and the pic.

I called Yamaha USA on August 23rd, and the Yamaha rep. said the P140 had not been officially released, but added to watch their website.

As for the possible speakers immediately above the keyboard...this is a mere guess...but I would guess these are actually speaker ports and replace the horizontal speaker grills at the R&L rear of the current P120. This type of arrangement has been used on Clavinova pianos for a long time.

Guess we will just have to keeping watching for the formal announcement for better specification information, pricing, and availability.

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#696392 - 08/25/05 08:18 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Originally posted by hawk85:
raindogxx - thanks for the link and the pic.

I called Yamaha USA on August 23rd, and the Yamaha rep. said the P140 had not been officially released, but added to watch their website.

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Don't hold your breath. Yamaha USA STILL hasn't posted any information about the Clavinova 200 series. And we have been speculating about them for months. (Thankfully, they are now in the stores.)
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#696393 - 08/25/05 01:25 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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The P140 is now on the Yamaha web site.

Here is the Link
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#696394 - 08/25/05 02:51 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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I must admit that I'm at a loss as to why any of the major digital piano/synth vendors are broducing new S&S (Sample & Synthesis) type boards with less than 128 note poly.

Layer any two slowly decaying (stereo) voices (eg: piano and strings) and play a fast passage (or play with damper pedal) and you'll end up with note stealing (dropped notes). Granted, Yamaha's note stealing algorithm is very good and generally isn't noticeable to the avaerage soloist, but for playing back sequences and voice layering it's still hit and miss.

My money would go to the new S90ES if I was looking for a new board. $2100 USD retail but definately more than rwice the board.

My 2 cents,

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#696395 - 08/25/05 05:55 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Originally posted by Copper:
The P140 is now on the Yamaha web site.

Here is the Link [/b]
its gone now

also the s90es is $2599 retail, $2100 street AFAIK

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#696396 - 08/25/05 09:06 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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You're right - it's gone.

It was there - really!

It looks a lot like the P120.

One difference I remember from the specification was that the P140 amplifier was smaller. The P120 amplifiers are 12.5W x 2, if I remember correctly the P140 was 6W x2.

So, there is an answer to the question above - it does have built-in speakers.

I just did a quick Google on "Yamaha p140" - there are actually a few references that no longer work - including the harmony-central reference above.

So, now the question is what mystery caused Yamaha to make the P140 disappear?
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#696397 - 08/25/05 10:00 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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it's strange. i saw it earlier.

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#696398 - 08/25/05 10:28 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Hey!
Anyone knows if the P250 will be replaced soon? I have one, and Im gonna open a new recording studio, so, I wanna know if it will dissapear to decide if it is profitable buying a new one or if its better waiting for the new model. Thank you very much!
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#696399 - 08/26/05 08:18 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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I believe the P140 is the update of the P60. 14 voices, 2 x 6w speakers, 64 notes polyphony doesn't sound like a new P120.

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#696400 - 08/26/05 10:29 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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According to this site, this appears to be a Yamaha P140. (It's obviously a totally different animal, although it appears to be identified as a Yamaha P140 stereo grand piano. Note wheels on LH side, etc.)

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#696401 - 08/26/05 12:56 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Gryph,

Sure looks a lot like the P250.
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#696402 - 08/26/05 01:00 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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The picture that raindogxx shows above looks like the one that was on the Yamaha site yesterday.

The link he provided to the Keyboard magazine site still works:

http://www.keyboardmag.com/story.asp?storycode=10366
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#696403 - 08/26/05 03:11 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Originally posted by palley:
Sure looks a lot like the P250. [/b]
I thought something was probably wrong.
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#696404 - 08/26/05 03:19 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Originally posted by gryphon:
According to this site, this appears to be a Yamaha P140. (It's obviously a totally different animal, although it appears to be identified as a Yamaha P140 stereo grand piano. Note wheels on LH side, etc.)

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Those look like speakers on the top. Is this the P250?
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#696405 - 08/26/05 04:46 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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well, whatever it is supposed to be an update of, I think the price $1499 might be asking too much. I think the p120 is a better deal.

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#696406 - 08/27/05 12:45 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Originally posted by p120Fan:
I believe the P140 is the update of the P60. 14 voices, 2 x 6w speakers, 64 notes polyphony doesn't sound like a new P120. [/b]
Hmmm, i know where you are coming from, but i am not so sure. If this truly is an update of the P60, it is over-priced dramatically.
Perhaps the P140 is a manafacturers update of the P120(cheaper to produce), rather than a retail upgrade, it would sure explain a lot.
But IMO the P120 didn't need an upgrade, they are still selling very well and beat competing Roland models hands down.
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#696407 - 08/27/05 02:23 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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 Quote:
Originally posted by gryphon:
According to this site, this appears to be a Yamaha P140. (It's obviously a totally different animal, although it appears to be identified as a Yamaha P140 stereo grand piano. Note wheels on LH side, etc.)
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The pic seems to be wrong...you can see the actual p140 on P140 promo brochure at yamaha US site.

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#696408 - 08/27/05 03:20 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Originally posted by Blue Sun:

But IMO the P120 didn't need an upgrade, they are still selling very well and beat competing Roland models hands down.
Not to doubt an opinion if that is how your observation was offered, just questioning your frame of reference? By beating Roland hands down, do you mean saleswise, use on pro stages, studios etc....

Just seeking clarification...

Thanks

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#696409 - 08/27/05 03:59 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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I played ROLAND's new RD700sx , The "Superior Grand" piano sound is really awesome! Best piano sound made by ROLAND. IMO it's better than the main piano sound in P120 in many ways. I think YAMAHA should put the 4 layers sample piano sound in high level of CLP series into new P series. It would be great if P140 use GH3 keyboard.

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#696410 - 08/27/05 04:31 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Well, to me, the P120 is head and shoulders above the FP2, RD-170 and RD-300SX. Those 3 Roland stage pianos are in direct competition with the P120 as they are in the same price bracket. IMO the Piano sample beats the lot and the action is much nicer. I don't know how well the Roland boards are selling, but i know the P120 is still selling rather well.
Please note that this is my personal oppinion.
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#696411 - 08/27/05 03:33 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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ipgrunt -
While it looks very similar, the photo posted by gryphon is not a P250. However (pure speculation here), could it be a P250 replacement? At this point, I'm totally confused on the P140. Can't find any reference to it on Yamaha's U.S. site.

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#696412 - 08/27/05 03:49 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Did some searching...the picture from the info.audio.hc360.com site appears to be a P-300 and not a new model.

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#696413 - 08/28/05 07:22 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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#696414 - 08/28/05 08:42 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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thanks, thats some nice info, I agree I think this is a manufacturer's update of the p120, in a lighter weight package

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#696415 - 08/31/05 10:25 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Just a few thoughts...

I'm not yet convinced that the P140 is a replacement for the P120. The P120 has done very well in several applications, especially as a stage piano. However, the P140 brochure shows a very limited back panel interface as compared to the P120 (e.g., single AUX OUT only, no "TO HOST" connector). Additionally, there is no USB interface - something the P250 currently has and a feature long desired for the P120. Unless Yamaha is targeting the P140 at a different market, it doesn't seem to be a very versatile stage piano.

Sorry for the rambling...hopefully the P140 pricing will yield more insight.

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#696416 - 09/01/05 10:36 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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#696417 - 09/02/05 04:51 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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There are barely any output ports on the back, it doesn't seem like a true stage piano.

http://www.yamahasynth.com/products/p140/specifications.html
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#696418 - 09/02/05 11:03 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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I talked to Yamaha Germany.

The P140 is the update fo the P120. It has the same amount of sample ROM but a better compression mechanism, meaning more samples at the same amount of ROM.

The whole board looks quiet disapointing to me. First a thought it would be a P60 update.

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#696419 - 09/02/05 08:27 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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I am disappointed also, they haven't really upgraded any specifications, and IMO gone backwards in style.
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#696420 - 09/03/05 02:12 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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i wish they would at least give it a lower msrp, sounds like its saving them money in the manufacturing process but they are not passing any savings on to the customer

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#696421 - 09/03/05 07:54 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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sounds more like a downgrade to me i mean 2X 6W speaker instead of 2X 12.5 ? i don't think some marginally better samples can make up for this

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#696422 - 09/04/05 07:55 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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its back on Harmony Central , now also says these will REPLACE the P120 series! Dumb, du, dumb, dumb, dumb

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#696423 - 09/04/05 08:53 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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#696424 - 09/07/05 01:03 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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I just saw the P-140 advertised in the U.S. online at:

http://www.andysmusiconline.com

The availability is listed as "Pre-Order" and the price is essentially the same as the P-120 at $1,199.00. So much for earlier rumors that it may have a lower price.

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#696425 - 09/08/05 03:19 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Given Yamaha's track record, I was expecting much more in the replacement to the successful P120. Some of things I wanted/anticipated included FLASH memory, more individual voices, improved internal speaker system, and a USB interface. On the fringe, increased polyphony and an internal power supply would have been nice additions. However, in my opinion, the brochure indicated that only the FLASH memory feature was incorporated in the P140.

I would like to sit down and play both a P120 and P140 side-by-side for a couple of hours to gain a better understanding of the comparative strengths/weaknesses and why the P140 is better than the P120. I don't have that option in my area of the country - not even sure of the actual dates the P140s are to arrive in stores.

Therefore, I did a quick side-by-side P120/P140 comparison of a few features & functions using the respective Owners Manuals.

Here are just a few things I noticed:
- Variation: Three levels (Mellow-Normal-Bright) to adjust "brightness." This seems very similar to the BRILLIANCE control on the P120. However, the P120 has a dedicated Variation for each of the 14 voices in addition to the BRILLIANCE control.
- Fixed/Variable Output: I was hoping to find a "software switch" control for the RCA-based AUX OUT connectors to switch them between fixed and variable. Maybe I missed it, but I couldn't find one.
- SPEAKER Switch Function: I was also hoping to find a "software switch" to control the function of the speakers when headphones are used (i.e., the SPEAKER switch function on a P120). Maybe I missed it, but I couldn't find it either.
- SPLIT Mode appears to have a limitation of 4 voices for the left hand (pg. 22).

At this point, in my opinion, the P140 appears to be a fairly lackluster successor to the P120. It may have improved samples and nonvolatile memory, but it doesn't seem much of a step up. In some ways, it seems a step back, especially as a stage piano.

Comments by anyone else?

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#696426 - 09/08/05 07:29 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Yes, my thoughts exactly. Yamaha have provided no reason to upgrade (it isn't really even an upgrade). I would choose the P120 over the P140, purely because of the outputs, the P140 lacks outputs. It is very hard to call the P140 a stage piano, it is more like a home version of the P120.
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#696427 - 09/12/05 02:23 AM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Yamaha finally issued its press release on the P140 on September 9th.

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/Cont...53DNEWS,00.html

Nothing we haven't heard, but the release states "The P140 and P140S will be available October 2005, and will replace models P120 and P120S." as the Harmony Central article did several days earlier.

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#696428 - 09/20/05 07:10 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Interesting...

On the Yamaha USA website, the P60, P120, and P140 have moved from the "Stage Pianos" page to the "Contemporary Pianos" page.

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#696429 - 09/21/05 09:05 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Originally posted by hawk85:
Interesting...

On the Yamaha USA website, the P60, P120, and P140 have moved from the "Stage Pianos" page to the "Contemporary Pianos" page. [/b]
I'm guessing that Contemporary Pianos are suited for home or stage?
Any thoughts?
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#696430 - 09/21/05 11:14 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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On the Yamaha Corporation of America site, the P60 and P120 were on the "Stage Pianos" page along with the P80, P90, P200, and P250, but are now on the "Contemporary Pianos" page along with the PF500 & PF1000.

It's interesting that the Yamaha Europe site currently has the P60 & P120 still grouped with Stage Pianos; the PF1000 is also listed there.

There's also the YDP series (YDP113, YDP223, and the new YDP323) with respective polyphony specifications of 32, 64, & 64.

Based on the specifications, I believe the PF500 is "somewhat similar" to a P250 in terms of its sound/sample capabilities with 128-note polyphony, while the PF1000 has 96-note polyphony with a large LCD display similar to those on some Clavinova's. IMO, both PF models are more suited for home use as they both have matched stands with integrated pedals (3).

This is just a guess, but I think Yamaha is in the middle of making adjustments to its product lines. I think they made some minor revisions to the P120 to obtain the P140 which they intend on grouping with home pianos. I also think we'll see some new Yamaha stage pianos sometime next year as even the P250 has been around for awhile. I think they will come out with a successor to the P250 and also have at least one new lower priced model with 128-note polyphony. With these changes, Yamaha enhances its home pianos and has new stage pianos that (from a specification perspective) put additional pressure on the RD-300SX & RD-700SX from Roland. Again, all of this is speculation on my part.

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#696431 - 09/27/05 10:06 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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I bought one yesterday for our own home studio.

Great feel - but not as good [piano] sound as expected.

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#696432 - 09/27/05 11:01 PM Re: New P140 Series Digital Pianos from Yamaha
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Norbert - Any comments on how the feel and sound compare to a P120? I would assume the feel is very close, if not the same, as the P120, but I am curious on the samples and sound. Thanks for any info you can provide.

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