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Originally posted by lemonjel: Originally posted by Eternal: [b] Stereo. [/b] I thought that this might be the case. Are all of those voices really stereo? Does the Yamaha deal with stereo in the same way? I am not sure that it does, but there isn't much information on this. Maybe I'll try to test later. [/b]If the piano needs to play a different piano sample for left and right channel, then it's using up allowable polyphony count at twice the rate. This is not the case with systems that play the same sample for both channels. I know it's the case for Casios - not sure how Yamahas handle it.
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Went back into GC one more time just to play briefly on the PX-200 (they don't have the 800 on display yet, but this keyboard has the exact same action and voices, although the 800 has better speakers.) I did this mainly because I had to know if I made the right choice between these two dps. Bear with me as I repeat what I've been saying all along... I still think both sound great. I tried all of the main voices on the Casio and thought that they sounded pretty comparable to the Yamaha. I really should have brought along headphones, to do a better comparison, because speakers can make such a difference in sound, but without them it was difficult for me to hear a huge difference. I'm loving the flute, sax and trumpet voices on the Yamaha, but I'm not sure what they sound like on the Privia, since I didn't take the time to learn how to scroll through GM voices. Can someone provide a sample? The Casio action is heavy. Even more apparent after playing the Yamaha for several days. At first I think this made me think it was really 'piano-like' but I'm not so certain now. I'm warming up to the lighter action finally and actually like it quite a bit now, at least compared to all of the alternatives. I played various other digital pianos around the store and found many that cost more felt terrible to me, a few that cost more felt better, and that nothing that cost less felt better. It was interesting because they had a used Roland that cost around $1200 and felt really synthetic in comparison. It's a wonder how quickly technology changes. I'm already a huge fan of piano sample libraries, along with other piano world members (Eternal) - they sound just great! Once I actually invest a bit of time into setting everything up I will have the best of both worlds - really accurate sound with increased polyphony and a keyboard action that I like. I really hope this thread helps people decide, but at this point I think the issue is closed for me, even though I already got my piano last week! I guess I'm just the type of person that has to make absolutely sure that their decision made sense, so I revisited this thread one last time. Thanks everyone. Good advice all around!
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Hopefully this will be of help to you:
I was on the same dilemma as you and went to the store many times to play both DPs. I can tell you that the flute sound and many others are definitely much better on the YPG-625, plus the flute, as I am sure you have already experienced, has a realistic sound effect depending on how hard and fast you press the keys (If I had the budget I would probably had bought both of them).
The interface on the 800 is not as intuitive and user friendly as the YPG-625. You have to press the "tone" key and then move the arrows up and down to get the sounds to change. Also each "tone" can be adjusted for brilliance, touch response, acoustic resonance, reverb, and DSP (on supported tones/sounds). In order to change these parameters you press and hold the "tempo/settings" button while pressing the up/down arrows to change their values. One nice feature I really like about the PX-800 is that you can split the keyboard and have one sound for bass and another for melody. My favorite configurations are setting the bass guitar for the left hand and percusive organ or piano for right hand.
The organ sounds (to my taste) are much better on the PX-800 than the YPG-625, however I don't like the speakers that much. I think I will buy to buy an amp though.
I also tried the PX-200 which is supposed to be the same keyboard but I noticed quality differences in these 2 models.
Make sure you try the PX-800 before exchanging your YPG-625. If I were you I would probably call several stores in your area and ask when they may have one on display.
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Great thread, i am in the same situation wondering whether i should buy a plain Px130 new ($800), or a used Px410r with all the auto accomp and connections for a bit more ($960). Prices are high but i live in Thailand.
I tend to agree when one gets lazy with auto accomp (I had a PSR before but I am still a beginner), but arent they great just to get a nice beat to follow (eg when you learn salsa, it is vital to have a nice beat pattern to learn when to enter).
So which one do you recommend?
Eternal learner Play acoustic guitar. Learn piano on Casio PX-130/
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To me, the PX-410r is overpriced in relation to the PX-130. Can you haggle?
From what you've said here and elsewhere, I think you're going to be happier with the 410r. Personally, I use rhythms very infrequently and accompaniments never. However, if you're going to be playing popular music for personal enjoyment, you might regret not having everything built in.
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Something to consider when deciding which to purchase is which will hold its value longer. If you keep playing, you'll likely want to upgrade in a couple years to something more realistic, so do some research and identify whether the Casio or Yamaha will be worth more in a few years.
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To me, the PX-410r is overpriced in relation to the PX-130. Can you haggle?
From what you've said here and elsewhere, I think you're going to be happier with the 410r. Personally, I use rhythms very infrequently and accompaniments never. However, if you're going to be playing popular music for personal enjoyment, you might regret not having everything built in. As Voxpops points out the 410r is very high at $960. I don't think I would pay that much for something that is discontinued. In the U.S. the PX-575 is the exact same thing for $599 and I think it has now been discontinued in the U.S. The PX-130 is a better buy for you. You could plug into a computer and use software for your sounds. Have you considered that?
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Thanks everyone. Please remember that I live in Thailand and that DPs are expensive here. The px130 is actually $1000 but it's on sale now. And the PX410 new was $1300.
But I agree with resale value argument. Why do you think I would like to upgrade?
Yes I have considered plugging into software through usb. I am almost decided on the PX130 now. Which software do you recommend to turn the PX130 into a PX330 :-)
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I think what you would be looking for is Band in a Box or if you have a Mac, you could use Garageband. Acoustica makes something similar which runs on a PC called Mixcraft and it's decently priced at $75.00. Their piano plug in Pianissmo is also decent sounding for $70.
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I am looking at Mixtrack as I use PC. Does it do auto accompaniment based on my keyboard bass? Thanks
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No Mixcraft does not have auto accompaniment. One Man Band would do that. Mixcraft allows you to record yourself and add other instruments. So for example, you can create your own rhythm track by selecting a drum loop and a bassline. You then connect your piano via the USB MIDI to your computer and use it to be a virtual instrument. It can be anything from a piano to strings, brass, synth, etc. You select your sounds from VST plug ins. Mixcraft has some built in. But you can buy or download thousands of others.
If on board accompaniment is what you truly want, then focus on either the PX-330 or 410r. The PX-130 has no accompaniment. You would have to factor in the cost of the software to go with a PX-130.
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I just got my PX130 today. So far so good. Thanks for all the advices.
Eternal learner Play acoustic guitar. Learn piano on Casio PX-130/
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But i cant connect it to OMB for some reason. It doesnt see it in the Midi In.
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I need to install MIDI drivers on my Acer laptop.
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I found them on the casio website but it doesnt work. I will post somewhere else.
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