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#703394 09/28/06 11:03 PM
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hi everyone.

i am a piano player, and was recently commisioned to play the organ at an upcoming church service today. i have been researching organ playing, and just can't find anything very straightforward. i took some time today to stop by the church and take a look. i took me 10 minutes just to figure out how to turn the think on! it's a digital zimmer organ with 2 manuals. could you give me any basic ideas for registration so that i can sit down, set set the stops, and not have to worry about it for the rest of the mass? i don't plan on playing any pedals. there is also a setting on the organ with a dial called 'cathedral.' would anyone be able to tell me what on earth that means? i was playing around with it, and didn't notice any difference in sound. (although, i may have been playing the wrong manual.) also, there's no sustain on an organ, so how do you keep the sound smooth and legato as you switch hand positions and such?

thanks for you help guys.
i'm beginning to get really nervous about this.

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I haven't played an organ in ages so I don't remember all rules of the registration.

First, you need to try out the registration before the service. Write down all the stops that you plan to use. You will want a Bombarde 16 or 32 on one manual (I think you have to couple that from the pedal to the manual) to have good command in leading the choir. Add a few soft to medium 8 and 4 on the other manual (for right hand). Stay away from all the bright trompette because if you hit a wrong note, it's very very bad. Keep both feet on the foot rest under the bench and off the pedal. Of you can put your right foot on the swell pedal if you want to control the volume.

Playing legato is done by switching fingers or keeping one hand (or feet) on the keys while moving the other hand from one manual to another.

And you do need to have one or 2 rehearsals with a few singers first. Playing organ is very different from playing piano.

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sorry guys, i didn't mean that the performance was today. it's coming up in a week or so. it was today when they asked me to play. wink

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LisztAddict got most of that right, except for the part about the Bombarde on the manual - a 32' stop is almost always found in the pedal, and the pedal is not often able to be coupled "up" to a manual - so disregard that.

A "Bombarde" stop is a very loud reed stop - most reed stops - Bombardes, Trumpets, Tubas, and to a lesser extent Clarinets, Oboes, etc. etc. - tend to be the louder stops on an organ. Their stop tabs or drawknobs are usually engraved in red ink to differentiate them from the other (flue) stops. You would use these reed stops when you need maximum power, such as when accompanying a whole church during a loud hymn. As LisztAddict says, you probably are best advised to avoid them until you really know what you are doing. wink

Organ playing is SO different from a piano, that it takes years of study to learn it. There is no way I can go into the level of detail that you need. You should perhaps find an organ teacher - or at the bare minimum, a "coach" who can show you the basics in a session or two. I'd recommend going to one of the larger churches in your area - see if you can contact their organist and arrange for a meeting.

In a "pinch" you can play an organ like you play a piano. LisztAddict was correct on these points:

Keep both feet on the foot rest under the bench and off the pedal. Of you can put your right foot on the swell pedal if you want to control the volume.

True - use the swell pedal (a very large pedal that tilts front to back) to make the organ louder and softer (on a digital organ it works like a volume knob on a stereo). If you are playing baroque music, just set that pedal to a position that sounds OK, and leave it there for the duration of that specific composition.

Until you know how to play notes with your feet, it is best to avoid playing the pedal clavier altogether. Some organs - especially electronic ones - may have a feature called "auto pedal" or "bass coupler" which allows your left pinky to play the Pedal bass notes automatically. If so, you are in luck!

Playing legato is done by switching fingers or keeping one hand (or feet) on the keys while moving the other hand from one manual to another.

Pianos have damper pedals; organs rely on the room's natural reverberation - you have to hope for a lot of reverberation! Lacking that you have to play ultra legato, using lots of finger substitutions. Some people call it "crawling over the keys".

It is important to remember that not only is it important to attack each chord cleanly, on an organ the release must be executed just as cleanly.

Speaking of reverb, digital organs usually have a feature that lets you add an amount of 'fake' reverb. That is what the 'cathedral' button is probably for.

The two (or more) manual keyboards allow you to have two different volume levels - you can contrast dynamics in a hurry, just by changing keyboards.

Keboards: the Great is the #1 keyboard - usually for hymn singing, playing loud stuff. The secondary keyboard is usually called the Swell; it almost always has its own expression pedal (as mentioned before) to "swell" the sound. A third keyboard is often called the "Choir", often times it has the softest stops and is good for accompanying (though the Swell can do that equally well).

Pitch: Most stops will have numbers on them, such as 16' 8' 4' 2' etc. This indicates the pitch of the stop, with 8' being the "normal" pitch (in other words, middle C sounds like middle C on a piano). If you draw a 4' stop, it sounds an octave higher. It is important to always have an 8' stop drawn on each manual - this serves as the correct pitch foundation. To give more clarity, add higher pitches (4', 2'). For more body add more 8' stops; for more weight, add a 16' (suboctave) stop in the manuals.

While manuals are always centered on 8' (unison) pitch, the pedals are at their unison at 16' pitch. You probably won't use pedal, but it is good to know this just in case...

Most organs have thumb pistons (and maybe also toe pistons) - these are numbered presets located under each keyboard which change whole groups of stops instantly. I don't recommend that you program these (you wouldn't know how to do that anyway) but you can still use them. While holding down a chord, press these buttons one after the other. When you get an idea of the different sounds that are already set on each piston, just write that number into your music if you want "that" sound to happen at a certain spot in the music.

The caveat is that you have to remember what keyboard you are supposed to be playing, when you hit the piston! laugh Also, it would be nice if the organist who last programmed the pistons left you with some nice, useable combinations.

Be aware that the pistons in the middle of each keyboard (known as 'divisionals') will change only the pistons for that keyboard. Other pistons grouped off to the side are known as 'generals', and they change the stops for the entire organ. Play with them until you get an idea of what they do.

Oh yes, there is almost always a "cancel" piston to the far right of the bottom keyboard. It usually says "0" or "Cancel" or "Gen Can". It is a good habit to make sure to cancel stops at the end of each piece. smile

There is often another device called a "register crescendo", or "crescendo pedal". It usually is the rightmost of the large tilting pedals on most organs. It adds stops one at a time when you push it forward; closing the pedal has the opposite effect. Try it - that may come in handy too.

As with the cancel piston, make sure you have closed the Crescendo Pedal if you have used it. You will avoid giving yourself (or the next organist) a nasty surprise if you forget and leave it in the "loud" position!

Hope this helps - good luck.

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If you found any of that interesting and would like to learn a lot more, James H. Cook has a very useful website which will be of use to you. Check out the section called "The Organ and How It Works".

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whippenboy,

you gave a lot of really good information in a very condensed and easy-to-understand format. first of all, you have committed quite a feat in doing this! laugh second, thank you for taking the time to respond. lastly, you sound like you have a lot of organ-playing experience. i'll take up your idea and ask the regular organist to show me the specifics of this organ, but your answers to some of my questions saved me from making myself feel stupid in front of her. i know what the crescendo pedal is. as i was playing, i was looking for what i thought was the swell. well, as i continued to tilt this pedal, all the stop tabs begin to light up as horns and trumpets began playing, and soon my music was vibrating so much in front of my eyes, i couldn't even follow along! i knew that wasn't the right pedal. now i know to look for the middle one. that pedal coupler thing sounds really interesting to me, as i love the sound of deep contrabass on the organ. that sounds like it would be the answer to my prayers! as far as resonance, the church is very poorly built as far as accoustics go. there is no resonnace, and i will also play around with the cathedral dial. one last question: what is an organ 'rank?' and how do you know how many ranks are on an organ?

thanks again for your help. smile

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1. make sure the pedal stops are off if you're not going to play them or be careful not to accidentally put a foot on one during a prayer or something.
2. practice singing the hymns to get an idea of the best tempo and phrasing. a small congregation will want to go somewhat faster than a larger one.
3. remember that whatever happens you are the best organist they could get.
4. have fun.

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newbiehere - whippen boy is a professional organist, take his advices.

In addition to #2 of chrysler's post, get your hands/fingers off the keyboard at the end of each phrase. You want a clear break so people can catch up with their breath.

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I'm re-reading this from home now... have some more thoughts.

It occurred to me that the regular organist may re-program those pistons when you least expect it! So rather than relying solely on pistons, here are three options:

1. Register only by hand (which is tricky when you need to change stops in a hurry)

2. Use the Crescendo Pedal only. You have to be careful to crescendo to just the right volume each time you use it, and you should try not to make the stop additions/subtractions too obvious (mainly increase/decrease between verses of a hymn). Using the Crescendo Pedal as the sole registration device is really frowned upon by organists - but since you are really under the gun I give you my permission to use it. cool

3. Discuss the pistons with the organist - see if she plans on changing any of them. If not, it is safe to use them.

Since there IS an organist - definitely spend some time with her - maybe you could pay her to teach you a lesson or two (or more).

So... what is a rank of pipes? What is a stop?

A stop is generally considered to be the control you see at the console. It might have one rank of pipes associated with it, although if it is a compound stop (usually notated with a roman numeral) it will have more than one rank.

A typical rank in an American organ will have 61 pipes (if it is a manual stop) or 32 pipes (if it is a pedal stop). There are exceptions but I won't overwhelm you. wink

So when you see a Trumpet stop, its rank should have 61 pipes; an Oboe 61 pipes, a Flute 61 pipes, etc.

The easiest way to count the number of ranks in an organ is to count the number of stops, then count the number of additional ranks in all the compound stops.

The number is likely to be lower however, due to unification and duplexing of stops. But I promised I wouldn't overwhelm you! :p Let's just say it takes some deeper understanding to be able to count ranks properly. In the meantime, ask the organist! They should know how many ranks their instrument has. Of course, if it is an entirely digital or electronic organ it won't have any ranks or pipes! Owners of such instruments often say they have the 'equivalent' of x number of ranks, or they have x number of stops.

A bit of trivia - organists in the U.S. tend to count ranks; in Europe they tend to count stops.

On the topic of hymns, chrysler imperial gave you some good advice - make sure you breathe with the congregation whenever there is a period or semicolon in the text. You can also lift when you see commas in the text (though you don't want to overdo it). Try singing along when you practice.

Have fun!

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thank you all for your input. i'll report back about how the performance goes. i have a feeling it will be just fine. smile

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hi again. not trying to bug you guys, but i have more specifics on the organ.

the stop tabs are organized into 4 groups. from left to right: accessories, pedal, great, and swell. the pedal great and swell have all the pretty normal stops that you mentioned: 8', 4', 2'. there were also mixtures called "IV - V" and "III-IV." what do those roman numerals mean? there were also stops like 2 2/3 and 2 1/2. what are those fractions there for? do they play a fraction of an octave, like a third or a fifth?

as far as accessories, this is the list. i don't understand the first three. do they control which manuals/pedals are functional. perhaps the last one is that pedal/manual coupler you mentioned. also what does tremulant great mean?

1. great to swell
2. pedal to great
3. pedal to swell
4. tremulant great
5. choir
6. manual bass

there are also thumb pistions with numbers (for programming, like you mentioned) and with dynamic markings. they go pp, p, mf, f, ff, and t. does t mean tutti, and if it does, what does tutti mean?

thanks for all the help.
-newbiehere

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Newbie,

I'll jump in and answer...

Yes, the fractions give you fifths and thirds. They are generally used to add color in solos, but be careful as they can sound funny with highly chromatic music and never used them when playing rich chords.

The list you've made above, ie. 1.) great to swell, etc. are known as couplers that couple one "organ" to another. The Great to Swell coupler adds the Great stops on the Swell manual, allowing you to play both sets of pipes with these keys. Your 2. Pedal to Great, allows you to play the pedal stops on the Great (if you've Cancelled the Great before using the coupler, or simply adds those sounds to your Great stops, making the sound fuller).

The thumb pistons you mention are used for incrementally adding principal stops to the manual, making it progresively louder (which is the only way you make a Great organ play louder--adding more ranks of pipes).

Tutti means Everybody -- all the stops. I would imagine the organist uses this button if he/she looks out and spots anyone in the congregation sleeping during the offeratory anthem.

Do yourself a favor and spend a few hours some evening before you play the service and get used to the feel of the organ, and learn where things are. If you can get the organist to show you a few things, so much the better.

Keep it simple and you'll be fine.


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Tremulant = tremolo effect. Try it and you know what it is. This is not often used during church services.

Great = lower manual/keyboard
Swell = upper manual/keyboard

Great to swell = coupler that couples the sound from the great register/group to be played on the upper manual. For example, if you turn on a stop in the Great group and no stop in the Swell group is on, activate the Great to Swell coupler, then play either the Great or the Swell manual, you still get exactly the same sound.

Pedal to great = coupler that couples the sound from the pedal register/group to be played on the lower manual.

Well, you get the idea.

I can't remember what choir and manual bass are for. Tutti means everybody/full orchestra/all stops are on/very loud.

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Thought I'd put up a post to keep the thread alive. Excellent stuff on here. Good advice.


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The only choir I am familiar with is the lowest manual of a three manual organ.


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oh, you shoudl check out the organ forum
http://organforum.com/forums/default.aspx


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Originally posted by LisztAddict:


Great = lower manual/keyboard
Swell = upper manual/keyboard
If there are three keyboards, the Great will be the MIDDLE keyboard. It has the loudest stops and often the most.

The Swell keyboard connects to pipes that are inside a box with something like a set of Venetian blinds on one side. Using the Swell Pedal (it looks not unlike a car's accellerator), one can open and close the blinds, thereby varying the volume. There will usually be another 'accellerator' called the 'crescendo', which will gradually add stops.

The Choir organ generally controls soft, expressive stops.

These are the Anglo-American names. If your organ was built in the French style, the keyboards will be called the 'Grande Orgue'(Great), 'Espressife' (Swell), and the 'Positif' (Choir). If it is German-style, they will be called the Prinzipale, Hauptwerk, and Rukpositiv. (Those are the three most common styles. If you have a Dutch, Italian, or Spanish style organ, you're on your own.)

There is a little book put out by (I think) the Abingdon Press called "But What Do I Do With My Feet?: A Pianist's Guide to the Organ."

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On the organ at my church, the Positif is the swell (only two manuals).

Not all organs have enclosed pipes. My organ is open so it does not have a swell pedal, while the one I take lessons on has choir, great and swell manuals and has sweel and choir boxes


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On the organ at my church, the Positif is the swell (only two manuals).

Not all organs have enclosed pipes. My organ is open so it does not have a swell pedal, while the one I take lessons on has choir, great and swell manuals and has sweel and choir boxes
Perhaps I got the two French terms mixed up. And, of course, not all have enclosed pipes--I was just talking in general.

If there are more than three manuals, well, there are several options. Sometimes a manual will controld a division that is at the other end of the room from the main organ; this is called the 'antiphonal.' Sometimes there will be a 'solo' manual with strong, individualized stops good for bringing out a melody. The largest number of manuals I've ever seen 'in the flesh' was five, although I'm told that there are instruments with more than that.

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