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#703838 - 06/02/08 04:20 AM
Keyboard like organ
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Registered: 04/26/08
Posts: 508
Loc: Bucuresti, Romania
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Which of the popular keyboards (say under $500) are best at representing a good pipe organ, especially as registration flexibility ?
My Casio CTK-800 which should be dirt cheap by now, has: - Church Organ: an OK principal chorus with 8', some 16', 4' and 2'. Maybe 5-6 stops pulled for the fixed sample. - Chapel Organ: brighter, 8', relatively more 4' and 2'. - Pipe Section: a gentler flute group like a small Swell section, with prominent fifth (some Nazard) - Theater Organ don't know what to tell, sounds richer than the Church Organ but not too much like 'Tibia clausa'. - and ~15 fixed Hammond like registrations, from pure sinusoid (8') to Full Drawbar (9? components) some with Leslie effect pre-sampled - Trumpet is the solo instrument sampled, not the organ stop. Oboe similarly etc. - French horn works nice as bass addition, or very high. Can also mix any 2 (only equally loud). Can split at any point.
No Bombarde, no Posaunenbass, no Quintadena or Bourdon/Gedackt, no celestes, no Mixture/Scharf, no Tierce, no string-like-flutes etc.
Any better on entry to mid-level Yamaha, Roland, Korg etc ? Anyone listened to their voices and together, not just look at the list ?
Or maybe go full software and use the keyboard only as entry device, and a PC emulator like Aeolus or others using "sound fonts" ?
Any tip for a cheap and good enough computer-compatible pedalboard ?
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#703840 - 06/07/08 01:40 AM
Re: Keyboard like organ
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500 Post Club Member
Registered: 04/26/08
Posts: 508
Loc: Bucuresti, Romania
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Of course you're right about the speakers ! The inbuilt 2x 2.5 W can barely produce pure 64 Hz (Sine Bass or 8' Hammond) with ~10x attenuation. Surprisingly, the basic "church organ" still sounds almost normal, showing how much other overtones matter to hearing.
I hooked it to a Phillips 80 W (peak 300, know that's more hype) bass reflex subwoofer + satellites and it can really shake a house, or a moderate sized hall ! Tested until 16 Hz (Organ Bass being 16' + 8' and with -12 transpose = one octave below).
So, The question is about the electronic source. Any basic keyboard giving Bombarde or the other specific 'organistic' sounds ? including a mellow rich association of 'string flutes' ? and enough flexibility in registration ?
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#703841 - 07/03/08 10:30 AM
Re: Keyboard like organ
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Registered: 08/17/04
Posts: 2263
Loc: Virginia, USA
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You know, as long as it has MIDI out, I think any keyboard will do. I have a $50 one with MIDI out, wish I had a couple more.
I have Miditizer and Hauptwerk, and the results from my keyboard into headphones are not bad. You might want to try that route with a decent amplifier. (I can't help you with that part, I'm not sound system literate.)
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#1333949 - 12/26/09 05:27 AM
Re: Keyboard like organ
[Re: TimR]
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Registered: 04/26/08
Posts: 508
Loc: Bucuresti, Romania
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A heavy metal hymn with pipe organ sound (forgive the garish photos): ManOWar - The Crown and the Ring http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH42wL9dbxQThis 2008 version sounds like a modern sampler keyboard, with samples originally recorded from a true pipe organ but purified, unified etc. (A true pipe organ sounds in practice slower, warmer and sloppier). The building-up arpeggio-chord (0:16...0:31) sounds like added with the PIANO-sustain-pedal feature ;-) Can anyone experienced with pipe organs describe the registration at the start ? sounds like heavy buzzy reeds... Bombarde ? Posaunenbass ? anything else... ? The original 1988 piece was a true pipe organ (some sources say Birmingham - UK or US?), and the similar arpeggio-chord building up through the crescendo-roll. And a much more massive male choir.
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#1349801 - 01/14/10 08:33 PM
Re: Keyboard like organ
[Re: ROMagister]
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Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Registered: 01/01/03
Posts: 19862
Loc: Kansas
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it sounds very electronic to me but I think you are correct with the bombarde.. perhaps a Posaune, Bassone, a contrabass 16,
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#1438490 - 05/17/10 02:58 PM
Re: Keyboard like organ
[Re: apple*]
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Registered: 01/23/10
Posts: 47
Loc: Winnipeg
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Any good midi keyboard with synth style keys is good, is you combine it with some good software. The kawai mp5 digital piano has some of the different sounds and harmonics of a real pipe organ, but obviously it has piano style keys.
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