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#705025 - 09/27/01 10:18 AM Do we need this?
Samejame Offline
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Registered: 06/01/01
Posts: 808
Loc: NL, Canada
[URL]http://http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/RTGAMArticleHTMLTemplate/B/20010927/wxborde?hub=homeBN&tf=tgam/realtime/fullstory.html&cf=tgam/realtime/config-neutral&vg=BigAdVa riableGenerator&slug=wxborde&date=20010927&archive=RTGAM&site=Front]U.S. points the finger due north

It appears as though with some of you the Canda/US honeymoon is over, and the gloves are off. Some Americans, in their incessant search to blame others for a problem that may largely be of their own making, are looking at allies as possible enemies for alledgedly allowing terrorists to easily enter America.

Listen folks, we were all (the free and democratic world) caught with our pants down below our knees on this one. The largest unprotected border in the world has been a benefit, in both trade and tourism to both countries for generations. But alas, nothing is sacred anymore, when it comes to deperate people who will stop at nothing to serve their twisted cause, a police state won't stop them. But you cannot go blaming past trends for what has happened now. Yes, this (the border) is now possibly a big loophole that needs to be addressed, so lets address it. The entire world now recognizes that it needs to tighten itself up security wise as a result of the horror of September 11, 2001. But to blame others for what happened, especially friends, will get you nowhere.

It is possible that terrorists may have entered USA via the Canadian border. This is a big country. But that has yet to be proven. However, they may just as well have entered the USA directly. Legally. Many years ago. Some of you may well have rubbed shoulders with these people at the supermarket, or at church, or in a shopping mall. Some of you studied with them in schools and colleges (flight schools).

While the search for answers continues, you should be more careful as to what you ask, how you ask it, and who you ask. Also, we need to accept that for every barrier we throw up, some sooner or later is going to find their way around it.

Is this the thanks we in Canada get for, without second thought, accommodating tens of thousands of your citizens, without notice, into our communities, in many cases in our own homes, when flights over the Atlantic and North American air space were diverted to eastern Canadian cities. Imagine if we had said: "No, your planes may be harbouring terroists, go to hell!"

How would that have carried over in the US? No, my friends, just the opposite was the case. You were welcomed into our homes and communities with open arms and hearts, just because were like that.

That's what friends are for.

And while we search for answers, let's cut the paranoia, try to maintain that friendship we've both come to count on.


PS Oh by the way, something you may want to say to these politicians and pundits who raised this issue: "Ahem...excuse me... but there are some 50 or so Canadian families who are grieving and mourning and looking for loved ones and answers in the WTC rubble these days as well."

[ September 27, 2001: Message edited by: Samejame ]

[ September 27, 2001: Message edited by: Samejame ]
"A cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing" Oscar Wilde.

#705026 - 09/27/01 01:53 PM Re: Do we need this?
Larry Offline
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Registered: 05/25/01
Posts: 9217
Loc: Deep in Cherokee Country

There are lots of nuts out there, and some of them have access to the media. I assure you that most Americans have not changed their opinion of Canada or Canadians. We are thankful to have you as our neighbor, and have nothing but the greatest respect for you and your country.
Life isn't measured by the breaths you take. Life is measured by the things that left you breathless

#705027 - 09/28/01 02:49 PM Re: Do we need this?
Samejame Offline
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Registered: 06/01/01
Posts: 808
Loc: NL, Canada
Tks, Larry.

Unfortunately, sensible people like you don't make the headlines.

"A cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing" Oscar Wilde.

#705028 - 09/28/01 03:59 PM Re: Do we need this?
Larry Offline
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Registered: 05/25/01
Posts: 9217
Loc: Deep in Cherokee Country
lol.....I'm going to print this out and show it to my wife. She'll never believe someone called me "sensible" unless I show it to her in writing! ;\)
Life isn't measured by the breaths you take. Life is measured by the things that left you breathless

#705029 - 11/23/01 02:01 AM Re: Do we need this?
jgoo Offline
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Registered: 07/23/01
Posts: 3974
Loc: Seattle, Washington, USA
Originally posted by Samejame:
It is possible that terrorists may have entered USA via the Canadian border.[/b]

This exact thing has happend in the past. The most recent one that I can think of was in 1999, when a man carrying explosives was caught at our border (via ferry over the Straight of Juan de Fuca) in Port Angeles, Washington. It was thought for a long time that he was going to blow up our (Seattle's) beloved Space Needle at our millinium celebration, but it was then discovered that he planned to blow up Las Angeles international airport at their millinium celebration. (It was called that despite the fact that since there was no year 0, the real beginning to the new millinium wasn't until the year 2001). Since that, security at all US/Canadian borders were stepped up a bit, but not as much as after September 11. The land border at Blaine, Washington (one of the most travelled US/Canadian borders) has always been difficult to get through, but now, it takes up to hours to go through. I haven't crossed the border since August, but I've heard on radio that its taken up to two hours to get through on days that would noramlly only take about an hour. Waiting time has at least doubled! Yet another effect of 9/11/2001.
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#705030 - 11/25/01 01:56 PM Re: Do we need this?
iainhp Offline
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Registered: 11/18/01
Posts: 803
Loc: San Diego
San Diego/Tijuana border waits can be 2 to 3 hours at peak times. Unfortunately all this has done is add inconvenience to the normal law abiding citizens of both countries. Anyone wanting to enter the country illegal just has to head east, as unfortunately someone forgot to fund the US border patrol - they are vastly understaffed and under funded. I should imagine Osama bin Laden himself could cross the border without being caught. 3 of the hijackers had holed up in San Diego for several years and integrated them selves into the community. Believe they were on expired student visas.

Same applies to air security. All that's happened is to further inconvenience the air travelling public. As has been shown time and again, people can still make it through the security checks with weapons. A better approach would be to install a Tazer at every seat. Anyone gets out of line everyone is armed to respond! Instead, airport security people who were barely making above minimum wage are now going to be federalized and earn 3 times their old salary. We can build cruise mssiles that navigate by terrain recognition, why can't we build airport scanners that recognise potential weapons and never tire of the job?

Obviously the terrorists have won. Our everyday life is now inconvenienced and ultimately we are going to have to pay the cost for all this increased security. But ultimately we are not safer than before Sept 11th. You are still more likely to die in an auto accident.

And another pet peeve. We (the tax payer) had to pay to bail the airlines out because of lost revenues due to Sept 11th. Is this a socialist country where the government solves the problems or is this a capitalist country where businesses fend for themselves. I should point out that several airlines showed third quarter profits. If we have to bail some airlines out for Spet 11th then should the government demand money from companies that profited off of Sept 11th (someone's going to get a big order for 500lb bombs, etc...)?

No, Canada is not the source of the problem. We have seen the enemy and it is us!!!!

Just my 2 cents.

#705031 - 11/25/01 09:33 PM Re: Do we need this?
ChemicalGrl Offline
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Registered: 08/03/01
Posts: 643
Loc: Durham, North Carolina
Originally posted by iainhp:
San Diego/Tijuana border waits can be 2 to 3 hours at peak times. [...][/b]

My my. The waits have certainly gotten far longer than what I remembered. But then again, since Sept. 11, everything's changed. One of my brother's friends works for the Border Patrol in San Ysidro. Yes, he does complain about the low pay and the long hours, and it seems that every time I go home, I get subjected to another of his rants and raves about his financial situation.

Now as far as federalizing the airport security workers ... well, it would be nice indeed if they could get higher pay and more incentives to stay on the job (as I understand it, those jobs are a virtual revolving door with high turnover) as well as better training to be able to prevent crazies from going through the checkpoints armed with knives and cans of mace (reference to the Nepalese fellow who did just that at Chicago's O'Hare airport). Is federalizing the workers the answer? I'm not sure, really. However, I do know that quite a few of the airport workers are not US citizens. They would be the ones to lose out if their jobs are federalized as US citizenship is a requirement of the job. So actually there would be a lot of jobs lost due to the federalization of the security workers.

Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Honestly, I'm not sure. I guess only time will tell.
Lyn F.

#705032 - 11/28/01 07:11 PM Re: Do we need this?
iainhp Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/18/01
Posts: 803
Loc: San Diego
Just listening to the local news. I didn't realise that there were 90 national guardsman helping with the San Diego border crossing. Evidently another 100 are going to be added to try and get the border waits down. Guess this is quicker and cheaper than hiring more INS/border patrol.


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