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#710058 - 07/27/04 06:06 AM
I had an abortion
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Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Registered: 08/09/01
Posts: 11676
Loc: Okemos, MI
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Planned Parenthood is proud to offer yet another t-shirt in their new social fashion line: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/ppfastore/ihadabt.html
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#710059 - 07/27/04 06:21 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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Registered: 01/08/04
Posts: 3091
Loc: Richmond, VA
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Eeek! Surely there are more tasteful ways to get the women's choice message across...
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#710062 - 07/27/04 06:25 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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6000 Post Club Member
Registered: 05/26/01
Posts: 6956
Loc: The Evergreen State (WA)
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What the heck were they thinking?? Sheesh.  Jodi (also firmly pro-choice)
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#710063 - 07/27/04 06:34 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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Registered: 03/21/02
Posts: 2338
Loc: Massachusetts
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ICK!  I can't imagine who would want to proudly wear it in public! (PS I, too, am firmly pro-choice)
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#710064 - 07/27/04 06:37 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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Registered: 01/19/02
Posts: 9798
Loc: Oklahoma City
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The only thing that could make it worse would be a down arrow like the "baby" T-shirts.
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#710066 - 07/27/04 06:46 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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3000 Post Club Member
Registered: 05/02/03
Posts: 3202
Loc: Midwest U.S.
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Originally posted by JBryan:  The only thing that could make it worse would be a down arrow like the "baby" T-shirts. [/b] Or a second line, "Ask me about my pictures!"
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#710067 - 07/27/04 07:08 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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4000 Post Club Member
Registered: 06/11/03
Posts: 4418
Loc: Englewood, FL
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This truly saddens me. I'm pro-choice but would prefer to see a T-shirt that reads "Lovin' Life."
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#710068 - 07/27/04 07:25 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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#710069 - 07/27/04 07:31 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Registered: 08/09/01
Posts: 11676
Loc: Okemos, MI
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Maybe Kenny can persuade PP to add to their collection. How about:
"I had a developing life scraped out of my uterus rather than deal with the consequences of my choices."
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#710070 - 07/27/04 07:48 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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Registered: 01/01/03
Posts: 19476
Loc: Kansas
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"I had a developing life scraped out of my uterus rather than deal with the consequences of my choices."
too many big words and concepts for the stupid.
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#710071 - 07/27/04 07:50 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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1000 Post Club Member
Registered: 05/26/01
Posts: 1731
Loc: Indiana
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justme
A smiling happy baby is "loving life". Popping one like a pimple because of negligent social sex is not IMO loving or life.
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#710072 - 07/27/04 07:54 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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Registered: 06/20/01
Posts: 13527
Loc: Louisiana
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How about: I Murdered my Baby!
Now that surely sends a message....
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#710074 - 07/27/04 09:11 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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Registered: 06/11/03
Posts: 4418
Loc: Englewood, FL
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Originally posted by lb:  justme A smiling happy baby is "loving life". Popping one like a pimple because of negligent social sex is not IMO loving or life. lb [/b] I have to agree.
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#710075 - 07/27/04 09:13 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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Registered: 06/11/03
Posts: 4418
Loc: Englewood, FL
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Originally posted by chickgrand:  Slow morning, Peggy? :p [/b] you got it!
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#710077 - 07/27/04 09:22 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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Registered: 05/02/03
Posts: 3202
Loc: Midwest U.S.
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Originally posted by justme: Originally posted by chickgrand:  Slow morning, Peggy? :p [/b] you got it! [/b] We should go work on the Gottschalk. 
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#710078 - 07/27/04 09:29 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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4000 Post Club Member
Registered: 06/11/03
Posts: 4418
Loc: Englewood, FL
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Originally posted by chickgrand: Originally posted by justme: Originally posted by chickgrand:  Slow morning, Peggy? :p [/b] you got it! [/b] We should go work on the Gottschalk.  [/b] Considering I just answered TomK's post, you're probably right.
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#710079 - 07/27/04 09:32 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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#710080 - 07/27/04 09:42 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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Registered: 12/10/03
Posts: 4454
Loc: Maine
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let them know what you think communications@ppfa.org jf
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#710081 - 07/27/04 09:45 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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Registered: 08/09/01
Posts: 11676
Loc: Okemos, MI
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At least they're being more honest about their agenda now.
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#710082 - 07/27/04 10:15 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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Registered: 05/29/01
Posts: 7051
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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:  Yeah, Nina. It's tasteless and contrary to the fundamental premise of the pro-choice movement, which is that the resolution of a problem pregnancy is a private, sensitive, personal matter to be sorted out between the woman, the people closest to her, her physician and her God, and it is no one else's business. Most women faced with such a choice take it quite seriously, although I suppose the occasional immature twit can be found. Making it the stuff of T-shirt sloganeering cannot be squared with what Planned Parenthood stands for. Or *should* stand for. Whoever authorized that T-shirt should be fired. [/b] I disagree. The idea of the tshirt is a great one; wearing it may be hazardous to the wearer. Society has a long way to go on the abortion subject. But the tshirt it is a smart in you face confrontational idea. Since when is honest and openness not a worthy goal? And I think bring God into this is a cop out. Am I allow to have an opinion and discuss this? I am a man. Do some women just write off anything a man says on abortion?
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#710085 - 07/27/04 11:43 AM
Re: I had an abortion
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Originally posted by Nina: I agree with cindysphinx, abortion should be a private, thoughtful and last-resort option for women, not a political slogan on a t-shirt. [/b] I agree 100%, abortion should be private thoughtful last-resort. I certainly didn't state or imply that a woman should be required to wear such a shirt. But the tshirt is only a tshirt. It does have a "Get Over It" quality that I appreciate. I "get" the political statement of it. It is kind of like an I'M GAY, Tshirt. Something that was formerly - and many people would like to keep it - a deep dark secrtive and shameful thing. Now it is like, Hey, So what, big deal! That was my point.
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#710086 - 07/27/04 12:32 PM
Re: I had an abortion
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Registered: 06/20/01
Posts: 13527
Loc: Louisiana
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And a flag is only a flag.
Funny how men will die for one....
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#710087 - 07/27/04 01:07 PM
Re: I had an abortion
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6000 Post Club Member
Registered: 02/14/03
Posts: 6416
Loc: Washington D.C. Metro
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Kenny, of course you can state your opinion! What's more, I respect and understand your opinion, and I appreciate your contribution to this discussion. I even think I understand what PP was trying to do -- reduce the tremendous stigma surrounding abortion by bringing it out of the closet.
I just think they're going about it the wrong way -- and it might not be possible to remove the stigma anyway. The way to remove the stigma is for individual women to tell their individual stories -- their own painful experiences in their own words, not some mass-produced slogan. Once abortion has a face, perhaps some of the more hardened opinions about it will soften. I dunno.
Though I am pro-choice, I'm not pro-abortion. In other words, I think there should be considerable informal societal pressure to encourage women to explore other options for problem pregnancies. But if they decide abortion is the route they wish to take (partly because we as a society have allowed the alternatives to abortion to be pretty unpalatable), I think we then have to back off and allow reasonable access to safe abortions.
As for the God thing, if a woman does not recognize a God (or other diety), then she shouldn't factor one into her decision, of course. Goes without saying, really.
So. If someone wants to wear a T-shirt announcing their gynecological history, they can. I will wrinkle my nose as they walk past, though.
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