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#710058 - 07/27/04 06:06 AM I had an abortion
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Planned Parenthood is proud to offer yet another t-shirt in their new social fashion line:



http://shop.store.yahoo.com/ppfastore/ihadabt.html
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#710059 - 07/27/04 06:21 AM Re: I had an abortion
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Eeek! Surely there are more tasteful ways to get the women's choice message across...
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#710060 - 07/27/04 06:21 AM Re: I had an abortion
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I'm firmly pro-choice.

And yet to this I say:

"EEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!"

Cindy -- awaiting the new spring "I had an episiotomy!" collection
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#710061 - 07/27/04 06:23 AM Re: I had an abortion
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Cindy \:D \:D

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#710062 - 07/27/04 06:25 AM Re: I had an abortion
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What the heck were they thinking??

Sheesh.

\:\( Jodi (also firmly pro-choice)

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#710063 - 07/27/04 06:34 AM Re: I had an abortion
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ICK! \:\( I can't imagine who would want to proudly wear it in public!

(PS I, too, am firmly pro-choice)
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#710064 - 07/27/04 06:37 AM Re: I had an abortion
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The only thing that could make it worse would be a down arrow like the "baby" T-shirts.
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#710065 - 07/27/04 06:44 AM Re: I had an abortion
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Superb concept!
I want one.
I'd wear it.

What a powerful political statement.
Maybe I'd get murdered for the cause; wouldn't that be an ironic hoot?
Maybe I'll get one.

There is a T-shirt store in West Hollywood that sells racy tees.
Like:
I'm not gay but my boyfriend is.
I can't even THINK straight.

I'll bet they have this one.
Silence and shame are dumb.
Shockwaves like this are the vanguard of progress.
Thanks Gryph.

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#710066 - 07/27/04 06:46 AM Re: I had an abortion
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 Quote:
Originally posted by JBryan:
The only thing that could make it worse would be a down arrow like the "baby" T-shirts. [/b]
Or a second line, "Ask me about my pictures!"

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#710067 - 07/27/04 07:08 AM Re: I had an abortion
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 Quote:
Originally posted by gryphon:
Planned Parenthood is proud to offer yet another t-shirt in their new social fashion line:



http://shop.store.yahoo.com/ppfastore/ihadabt.html [/b]
This truly saddens me. I'm pro-choice but would prefer to see a T-shirt that reads "Lovin' Life."
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#710068 - 07/27/04 07:25 AM Re: I had an abortion
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Slow morning, Peggy? :p

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#710069 - 07/27/04 07:31 AM Re: I had an abortion
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Maybe Kenny can persuade PP to add to their collection. How about:

"I had a developing life scraped out of my uterus rather than deal with the consequences of my choices."
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#710070 - 07/27/04 07:48 AM Re: I had an abortion
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"I had a developing life scraped out of my uterus rather than deal with the consequences of my choices."


too many big words and concepts for the stupid.
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#710071 - 07/27/04 07:50 AM Re: I had an abortion
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justme

A smiling happy baby is "loving life". Popping one like a pimple because of negligent social sex is not IMO loving or life.

lb

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#710072 - 07/27/04 07:54 AM Re: I had an abortion
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How about: I Murdered my Baby!


Now that surely sends a message....
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#710073 - 07/27/04 07:55 AM Re: I had an abortion
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Gad, is that for real? That's about the most tasteless thing I've seen in a looong time.

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#710074 - 07/27/04 09:11 AM Re: I had an abortion
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 Quote:
Originally posted by lb:
justme

A smiling happy baby is "loving life". Popping one like a pimple because of negligent social sex is not IMO loving or life.

lb [/b]
I have to agree.
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#710075 - 07/27/04 09:13 AM Re: I had an abortion
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 Quote:
Originally posted by chickgrand:
Slow morning, Peggy? :p [/b]
you got it!
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#710076 - 07/27/04 09:19 AM Re: I had an abortion
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Yeah, Nina. It's tasteless and contrary to the fundamental premise of the pro-choice movement, which is that the resolution of a problem pregnancy is a private, sensitive, personal matter to be sorted out between the woman, the people closest to her, her physician and her God, and it is no one else's business. Most women faced with such a choice take it quite seriously, although I suppose the occasional immature twit can be found.

Making it the stuff of T-shirt sloganeering cannot be squared with what Planned Parenthood stands for. Or *should* stand for.

Whoever authorized that T-shirt should be fired.
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#710077 - 07/27/04 09:22 AM Re: I had an abortion
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 Quote:
Originally posted by justme:
 Quote:
Originally posted by chickgrand:
Slow morning, Peggy? :p [/b]
you got it! [/b]
We should go work on the Gottschalk. ;\)

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#710078 - 07/27/04 09:29 AM Re: I had an abortion
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 Quote:
Originally posted by chickgrand:
 Quote:
Originally posted by justme:
 Quote:
Originally posted by chickgrand:
Slow morning, Peggy? :p [/b]
you got it! [/b]
We should go work on the Gottschalk. ;\) [/b]
Considering I just answered TomK's post, you're probably right.
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#710079 - 07/27/04 09:32 AM Re: I had an abortion
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\:D

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#710080 - 07/27/04 09:42 AM Re: I had an abortion
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let them know what you think


communications@ppfa.org


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#710081 - 07/27/04 09:45 AM Re: I had an abortion
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At least they're being more honest about their agenda now.
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#710082 - 07/27/04 10:15 AM Re: I had an abortion
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Yeah, Nina. It's tasteless and contrary to the fundamental premise of the pro-choice movement, which is that the resolution of a problem pregnancy is a private, sensitive, personal matter to be sorted out between the woman, the people closest to her, her physician and her God, and it is no one else's business. Most women faced with such a choice take it quite seriously, although I suppose the occasional immature twit can be found.

Making it the stuff of T-shirt sloganeering cannot be squared with what Planned Parenthood stands for. Or *should* stand for.

Whoever authorized that T-shirt should be fired. [/b]
I disagree.
The idea of the tshirt is a great one; wearing it may be hazardous to the wearer.
Society has a long way to go on the abortion subject.
But the tshirt it is a smart in you face confrontational idea.
Since when is honest and openness not a worthy goal?
And I think bring God into this is a cop out.

Am I allow to have an opinion and discuss this?
I am a man.
Do some women just write off anything a man says on abortion?

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#710083 - 07/27/04 10:29 AM Re: I had an abortion
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Kenny:

Of course you are allowed to have an opinion! But I do believe that this is one of those topics where a man's opinion is simply going to be differently formed than a woman's opinion. (Don't worry, I'm sure there are other things where women will never quite "get it," --check out my "why I like dogs" thread for an example).

I'm reminded of a line from the movie "Cactus Flower," where one character is talking about some sort of tacky thing in a movie and defending it because it's natural. "So is diarrhea, but I wouldn't want to have to watch it."

I agree with cindysphinx, abortion should be a private, thoughtful and last-resort option for women, not a political slogan on a t-shirt.

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#710084 - 07/27/04 10:47 AM Re: I had an abortion
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I know a lot of folks of my "ilk" will want to crucify me on this, but this is an area where I disagree with the Republicans.

As Cindy said earlier and I have posted words to this effect, "...a private, sensitive, personal matter to be sorted out between the woman, the people closest to her, her physician and her God, and it is no one else's business."

While it's certainly an emotional issue for many people and I respect that, I wish this wasn't the politically charged issue that it is.

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#710085 - 07/27/04 11:43 AM Re: I had an abortion
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Originally posted by Nina:


I agree with cindysphinx, abortion should be a private, thoughtful and last-resort option for women, not a political slogan on a t-shirt. [/b]
I agree 100%, abortion should be private thoughtful last-resort.
I certainly didn't state or imply that a woman should be required to wear such a shirt.

But the tshirt is only a tshirt.
It does have a "Get Over It" quality that I appreciate.
I "get" the political statement of it.

It is kind of like an I'M GAY, Tshirt.
Something that was formerly - and many people would like to keep it - a deep dark secrtive and shameful thing.
Now it is like, Hey, So what, big deal!

That was my point.

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#710086 - 07/27/04 12:32 PM Re: I had an abortion
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And a flag is only a flag.

Funny how men will die for one....
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#710087 - 07/27/04 01:07 PM Re: I had an abortion
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Kenny, of course you can state your opinion! What's more, I respect and understand your opinion, and I appreciate your contribution to this discussion. I even think I understand what PP was trying to do -- reduce the tremendous stigma surrounding abortion by bringing it out of the closet.

I just think they're going about it the wrong way -- and it might not be possible to remove the stigma anyway. The way to remove the stigma is for individual women to tell their individual stories -- their own painful experiences in their own words, not some mass-produced slogan. Once abortion has a face, perhaps some of the more hardened opinions about it will soften. I dunno.

Though I am pro-choice, I'm not pro-abortion. In other words, I think there should be considerable informal societal pressure to encourage women to explore other options for problem pregnancies. But if they decide abortion is the route they wish to take (partly because we as a society have allowed the alternatives to abortion to be pretty unpalatable), I think we then have to back off and allow reasonable access to safe abortions.

As for the God thing, if a woman does not recognize a God (or other diety), then she shouldn't factor one into her decision, of course. Goes without saying, really.

So. If someone wants to wear a T-shirt announcing their gynecological history, they can. I will wrinkle my nose as they walk past, though.
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