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#713848 - 12/22/04 06:51 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
ProPianoGuyBC Offline
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Ok Larry I apologize,
You can understand my shock!
But HOLY ****! If it is possible to get the IP address of the EVIL PICTURE REPLACER! OUT they GO!
NO QUESTIONS ASKED!

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#713849 - 12/22/04 06:51 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
Dwain Lee Offline
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Oh...I just went back to page 1, and hit the "refresh" button. Now I see what you guys are talking about...

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#713850 - 12/22/04 06:57 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
Matt G. Offline
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Ack! Two Attici!

Hard to say who the culprit of the image hijack was, but typically, upload access to a server is limited to those with permissions. My first instinct would be to consider the owner of the site. A quick whois lookup identifies the owner of sorabji.com as one Mark Thomas of NYC (which is also clearly stated on most of the pages at sorabji.com).
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#713851 - 12/22/04 07:00 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
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Ah. I guess it wasn't uploaded onto the pianoforum website? The owner of THAT servier switched the pics? Maybe he switches them every day, like a calander, and so we all of the sudden got tomorrow's picture. And he has no idea they're being linked to here?

Zowies.

\:\) Jodi

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#713852 - 12/22/04 07:01 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
The 89th Key Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Matt G.:
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Originally posted by The 89th Key:
Oh well...but the paradox is that I would only go over there to address that topic.[/b]
I believe you've answered your own question, then.

If your only purpose is to cast your pearls of wisdom before the swine, then split, you really should examine your own motives (beyond what you stated in your reply to me). [/b]
Well I appreciate your advice. My only motive would be to give them a new perspective to think about, thats all. It's just painful to sit back and watch such a PC, uninformed, trying-to-be-nice bunch of people talk about one thing, as if they were discussing it intellectually, when they are all on the same side. I'm not saying they are bad people or that I dont respect their opinion, its more that I see that they aren't seeing the whole picture. Perhaps I shouldn't have even peaked over there! :rolleyes:

Thanks anyway Matt, we'll see if I'm bored enough at work tomorrow to venture onto the Death Star. \:D
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#713853 - 12/22/04 07:04 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
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Nevermind.

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#713854 - 12/22/04 07:05 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
The 89th Key Offline
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Yeah as soon as I saw the picture I thought someone had access to the original file and switched it. Larry wouldn't ever do such a thing, I feel bad for the guy...coulda happened to any of us.

Oh well, if you are reading this and haven't seen the first page (with the new pornographic picture), PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not go over there.
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#713855 - 12/22/04 07:11 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by The 89th Key:
It's just painful to sit back and watch such a PC, uninformed... [/b]
Just because people participating in a discussion do not share or agree with your position does not make them uninformed. I would daresay most are already quite informed about opinions similar to yours and have already rejected them. Are you on a crusade?
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#713856 - 12/22/04 07:23 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
The 89th Key Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Matt G.:
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Originally posted by The 89th Key:
It's just painful to sit back and watch such a PC, uninformed... [/b]
Just because people participating in a discussion do not share or agree with your position does not make them uninformed. I would daresay most are already quite informed about opinions similar to yours and have already rejected them. Are you on a crusade? [/b]
No crusade, but when they all claim to be having such a good discussion about it, when in fact they aren't really discussing anything at all except how they agree with each other; that's pretty uninformed. It's like if we had a 3 page thread in here about what is the best soda, and everyone is like:

"I like coke!"
"I like coke, too!"
"Well I think the best one is coke."
"Personally, I think Coca-Cola is the best."
"Go coke!"
"Anyone who likes Pepsi is stupid, I like Coke."

That just simply doesn't cut it in my book.

I dont know, I guess the main point behind it is just how "accepting" everyone is now-a-days. Maybe I'm alone with that thought, but it doesn't mean I'm going to change my opinion.
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#713857 - 12/22/04 07:27 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
ProPianoGuyBC Offline
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That means Larry can actually edit his own post and remove the link???? I think????

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#713858 - 12/22/04 07:31 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
The 89th Key Offline
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Yeah he can, only if he knows whats going on.

Anyone have his cell? Maybe its on his website or something? Not sure....but I'm going to bed, its been a long few days. Good night all! \:\)
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#713859 - 12/22/04 07:53 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Matt G.:
Ack! Two Attici! [/b]
:D

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#713860 - 12/22/04 07:54 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
Renauda Offline
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This could be my fault. The original picture was the composer Sorabji. I pointed this out to Larry and a couple of posts later I referred to the website owner as a deluded not very complimentary word...I have edited it now to "deluded turkey" in the hope he posts a picture of a flightless but often colourful avian. \:o
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#713861 - 12/22/04 08:02 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
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Oh, I get it! Here I thought someone was hacking into piano world. Guess that's the risk you run when you post an image that is hosted on someone elses server... They can CHANGE it. It's actually kind of funny, if you think about it. Well, sort of funny. I mean, if it weren't so obscene.

\:\) Jodi

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#713862 - 12/22/04 08:05 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
Matt G. Offline
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A little investigation reveals:

The picture on www.sorabji.com has not been changed. Navigating a browser directly there displays the original picture of Sorabji (bad hair and all). BUT, whenever one attempts to LINK to the picture externally, one is redirected to somewhere else. Clever.
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#713863 - 12/22/04 08:08 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
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Yes, And I have twice attempted to post that link and that observation, (because when you plug the URL into a browser, the original photo comes up) but when I write the URL out into a post like this one (I won't do it), you get the other photo. How did they DO that?

\:\) Jodi

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#713864 - 12/22/04 08:13 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
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#713865 - 12/22/04 08:18 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
Friday Offline
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89th

In answer to your question, yes stay out of there.

Honestly, IMHO, it does not seem your "only motive is to give them a different perspective". In your heart of hearts, what are you really trying to accomplish? What do you think will happen if you go over there?

If it's too painful for you, then don't read it.
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#713866 - 12/22/04 08:23 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
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Sorry folks! I'm certain you know I didn't do that!.... I mean gee whiz..... if that was all I had, I sure wouldn't go putting up pictures of it..... \:D

I removed the link so there's no picture at all now. I assume the guy from the other board where I copied the image didn't like having his picture put up over here.....

classy group....

guy might as well give up and be a monk......


UPDATE: No - the guy who posted it on the other forum didn't change it! The porno picture is up on the other forum!! It's in the "Introduction" thread......
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#713867 - 12/22/04 08:40 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
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Larry, I only meant calling him a deluded "turkey" figuratively. I never thought he was one. My oh my, what next?

Does this mean that innately I have a similar talent as Jack Frost- who, it is said, can smell out a sock(puppet)- but didn't know it until this very day?
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#713868 - 12/22/04 08:46 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
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Dble post
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#713869 - 12/22/04 08:53 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
Larry Offline
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The picture is still up over in the other forum. Man, is old Ludwig Van Rachabji (the screen name of the fellow who posted the original picture) going to be surprised when someone finds it in a week or two.....
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#713870 - 12/22/04 08:58 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
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89th:

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It's just painful to sit back and watch such a PC, uninformed, trying-to-be-nice bunch of people talk about one thing, as if they were discussing it intellectually, when they are all on the same side.
Note to self: do not invite 89th to a dinner party. ;\)

89th, the problem here is that you assume that there is something wrong with people discussing something on which they happen to agree.

If someone were to come here for the sole purpose of saying pianos suck, no one would appreciate it. Most of us share a love for pianos, and we would have no interest in being heckled. We have a word for that -- "troll."

And I would gently suggest that you not engage in any further discussion of sexual orientation -- there, here or anywhere else -- until you learn the proper terminology for things. I think you have some work to do there if you think anyone would appreciate being labeled a "homophile."

If you were my son, I would further suggest that you just *listen* to the thread and observe the way mature, thoughtful people interact and see if maybe you could perhaps learn something?

Remember, you did ask . . .
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#713871 - 12/22/04 09:12 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
Renauda Offline
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I'm more than ticked over this being that I rather like Sorabji's piano music. It's a bit like Busoni on LSD.
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#713872 - 12/22/04 09:13 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
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I reported the post in the other forum. I'm sure they don't want that crap posted any more than we do.

As for having 89th come to dinner, he's welcome anytime ONLY IF he brings his girlfriend!!

(Oh and 89, you might have to go home early... ;\) )

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#713873 - 12/22/04 09:18 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
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Oh and one more piece of advice for you 89. Right now, I'm betting quite a few people in the other forum are kinda worried about the Piano World people that have shown up. Especially since the porn got posted on their site as well as Franks.

That means that even if you did try to engage in a civil debate, you might well start off painted with a tar brush and never get even the most tolerant people there to listen. All in all, the timing sux for you to post in that particular thread and you really should just pass on it this time.

Dan


P.S. I figured since everyone seems to have forgiven me for my earlier "rudeness", I should give it another go... ;\)

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#713874 - 12/22/04 09:33 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
Larry Offline
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Let's not forget however, that the porn link originated over there - I just linked to it. that picture would be there whether I copied it over here or not.
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#713875 - 12/22/04 11:33 PM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
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Wow! They're a really tolerant crowd. No one's even commented about the photo. They just keep introducing themselves and making pleasant conversation.

Hey! WAKE UP! The emperor has no clothes. Really.


penny

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#713876 - 12/23/04 01:12 AM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
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Originally posted by The 89th Key:

BUT, the ever fun thread about homosexuality is present there, and everyone is so "happy" to have "such a civil discussion", and wow things are "so nice" there...THATS BECAUSE THEY ALL AGREE!!!

so the questions is: Should I enter the dark side or should I stay out of it?

[/b]
So there is this other forum with pages and pages of threads and posts about piano technique, composers, recordings, advice, and so on. You, for some reason, are thinking about going there for the sole purpose of posting to one innocuous thread about homosexuality.

Come to think of it, you have over 1200 posts here in the couple months you've been here, and I'll bet 30-40% are on the topic of homosexuality.

So, why the fixation? Don't mean to bring up the "L" word - no I don't mean "liberal" - but your constant harping about homosexuality and gay marriage could lead people to certain conclusions. Not saying I'm of that opinion, but you sure leave yourself open to that impression here, and you most certainly would there if you suddenly showed up and started posting your usual one-note-jonnies in that thread.

Oh right, you just want to add your informed opinion to the silly little discussion over there. Trust me, they've heard it all before.

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#713877 - 12/23/04 03:28 AM Re: Should I stay out of the communist Piano Forum?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Penny:
Wow! They're a really tolerant crowd. No one's even commented about the photo. They just keep introducing themselves and making pleasant conversation.

Hey! WAKE UP! The emperor has no clothes. Really.


penny [/b]
Don't write us ;\) off too quickly, Penny. Apart from the PW exodus, most of the posts are quite old and perhaps wouldn't be looked at by many people a second time. I didn't realise there was a problem until it was mentioned here.


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