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#730771 - 04/15/05 03:40 PM For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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I really want to stop commenting on this, but it has so riled me up and reopened old wounds that I feel I need to say my piece, once and for all.

A good deal of the vitriole between Larry and Quirt arose because of good ol' lawyer bashing. Jolly was right in there, too, in the Schiavo threads, getting in his digs about what a bunch of no-good so-and-sos lawyers are.

Well, let me tell you something. It ain't funny; at least not to lawyers or people who happen to love laywers. It really, really isn't. When you bash the entire profession, you are insulting me and all of the other lawyers here very personally. I know that is by design for some of you, but just maybe others of you don't realize just how cutting these remarks are.

I spent seven years and a lot of dough getting my degrees, not to mention the agony of various bar exams and the ongoing CLE requirements. I am also held to exceedingly high standards of professional responsibility, which I happen to take very seriously. I serve my clients well, and most of them are grateful for my services. I am well paid for the services I provide, but they understand that, and I've only finally and quite recently managed to get past my own foibles and guilt about being properly compensated.

I would never think of posting insults and slams here about doctors, piano technicians, engineers or hair dressers. Everyone should take pride in his or her profession. When we tear down one's profession, we tear down the person.

So, go and enjoy your lawyer jokes. I don't begrudge you that. Just don't do it here and expect to get any chuckles from me (or respect).

When digging up Larry/Quirt posts tonight, it hit me that a lot of Larry's spite seemed to stem from his own insecurities. Several times he mentioned how we (lawyers) all have superiority complexes and feel above everyone else. Well, I'm sure that is true for some lawyers; it's certainly true for some doctors, and certainly any other professions, particulary those that involve advanced degrees. But, I will tell Larry, that I for one have no such complex, nor does JF, nor do many of my good friends who happen to be lawyers. In fact, of that little group, I'd have to say that they're one of the most egalitarian bunches you'd ever want to meet. Maybe we're just oddballs - who knows. But, don't generalize - please. It has no more truth than tagging all piano sales people as slimy toads (where's those cyrillic characters when I need them). ;\)

I'm sure some of you will smirk and laugh this off. So be it. For those of you who care and want to pick up and move on and make this a funner, better Piano World, please save your lawyer jokes (and worse, the vitriole) for non-lawyers.

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#730772 - 04/15/05 03:52 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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The thing that amazes me, Kathy, is that there are no conservative lawyers here. Or none that come to mind.

Which is in stark contrast to my experience in law school, in private practice, at bar association meetings, and the like. One of my closest friends from law school is somewhere near Jolly on the political spectrum (minus the rabid anti-lawyer bias, of course), and he's hardly the only one; at the time I went to law school, it seemed there were more people right of center than left of center.

Anyone have any guesses as to why there is no conservative lawyer presence on this forum?
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#730773 - 04/15/05 03:57 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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The thing that amazes me, Kathy, is that there are no conservative lawyers here. Or none that come to mind.
what about me??
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#730774 - 04/15/05 04:02 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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Huh?

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#730775 - 04/15/05 04:04 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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I'm a conservative lawyer....
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#730776 - 04/15/05 04:05 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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Kathyk, for the record, I don't hate lawyers. There are not many that I like. And I can think of 3 that I know on a personal level. 2 are arrogant and think they know it all but, one is very kind and compassionate. The two who are arrogant are contract lawyers and to be honest I don't like them even though one is family. The one that is kind and compassionate is a poorly paid public defender. I've met other lawyers throughout my life on a professional basis and none have been very helpful to me. Actually they rather screwed me over so to speak. Therefore, mostly I don't think much of lawyers.

The problem as I see it with most lawyers (at least, the ones I've come across) is that they believe they are superior and smarter than the rest of us. Maybe, they are in some ways but they all seem to need to work on their personality skills.

All the lawyers I know are liberals and the 2 that are in my family are atheist. (One grew up Jewish the other grew up Catholic.)

These are just my thoughts. For what they are worth. I hope I haven't hurt anyone's feelings. These are just my experiences.
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#730777 - 04/15/05 04:07 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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Originally posted by QuirtEvans:
The thing that amazes me, Kathy, is that there are no conservative lawyers here. Or none that come to mind.
[/b]
Bingo. No one has any problems with lawyers per se. It's all about politics, and liberal lawyers just say the wrong things. \:\(

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#730778 - 04/15/05 04:11 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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I didn't realize you were a lawyer, KB. In that case, I stand corrected.

Since you fit that description, let me ask you this: don't you find Larry's and Jolly's continuous assault on lawyers and their ethics offensive? After all, it's you that they are talking about, too. When Larry says that all lawyers suck, and when Jolly leaps on board that bandwagon, aren't you the least bit bothered?
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#730779 - 04/15/05 04:13 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
kathyk Offline
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KB, you are pulling my leg?? Not about the conservative, but about the lawyer.

Peggy, it's very dangerous to generalize based on your experiences with a few. As I mentioned, we have all heard stories about piano sales weasels and (as Larry likes to call them) and I could spin a few myself. That doesn't making bashing them as a group, okay.

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#730780 - 04/15/05 04:16 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
Tom--K Offline
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Originally posted by KlavierBauer:
I'm a conservative lawyer.... [/b]
Oh, well now all of a sudden, lawyers aren't that bad.

KB, You really a lawyer? You never mentioned it.

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#730781 - 04/15/05 04:19 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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LOL sorry, I thought it was obvious...

SINCE I'VE BEEN POSTING AS A PIANO TECHNICIAN FOR A FEW YEARS NOW![/b]


Geeeez... things have really gone south around here. We're so busy looking at where we place our feet that we're not even enjoying each other anymore.
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#730782 - 04/15/05 04:22 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
QuirtEvans Offline
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Ok, you got me, hook, line and sinker.
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#730783 - 04/15/05 04:22 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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Lawyers are bad again!

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#730784 - 04/15/05 04:24 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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 Quote:
Since you fit that description, let me ask you this: don't you find Larry's and Jolly's continuous assault on lawyers and their ethics offensive? After all, it's you that they are talking about, too. When Larry says that all lawyers suck, and when Jolly leaps on board that bandwagon, aren't you the least bit bothered?
Well obviously I'm no lawyer (you pointed that out in a thread a couple days ago, so I'll assume you're playing with me as well now).

But since you ask I'll comment.

Yes, I think Jolly and Larray and others are sometimes in the wrong in how they deal with people. It is not how I carry myself, but in the end I answer for my actions. I have a LOT to work on myself, and so I don't call everybody on everything I disagree with here.
I would offer this though:
I constantly hear about the bad in my industry, but frankly I don't think most who comment on my industry have a clue what they're talking about, so it doesn't affect me that much.
If you're confident in the service you provide, and the integrity with which you lead your professional and personal lives, than you have nothing to worry about.
Also, I have displayed personal information here for years... people know who I am. you however have the luxury of being anonymous. This is doubly good, as you can
a) say what you feel
b) not really care who says what as it won't affect you personally.
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#730785 - 04/15/05 04:28 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
kathyk Offline
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Now look what you went and did, KB.

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#730786 - 04/15/05 04:35 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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Originally posted by kathyk:


Peggy, it's very dangerous to generalize based on your experiences with a few. As I mentioned, we have all heard stories about piano sales weasels and (as Larry likes to call them) and I could spin a few myself. That doesn't making bashing them as a group, okay. [/b]
I agree and that's why I can say I don't hate lawyers. \:\)
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#730787 - 04/15/05 04:47 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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"I'll assume you're playing with me as well now"

No, I suppose that I was failing to pay adequate attention. I wasn't intending to yank your chain, I was just demonstrating how the intersection of age and memory can be a bad thing.
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#730788 - 04/15/05 04:51 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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\:D

I do like you Quirt.

I have a feeling that you've disagreed with me many times before, but have managed to have someone else do it louder right after you drawing my attention.

I don't hate lawyers, or you.

It's fun to hate or dislike certain groups based on the actions of a few. We're all familiar with it.
It's like the police.... everybody hates them until they're needed.
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#730789 - 04/15/05 05:11 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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The thing I don't get is how some folks can dish it out but can't take it.

Since shortly after I arrived, people have been hurling lawyer digs at me and other lawyers. Not jokes, either. All manner of "shyster" references and the worst slurs they can think of at the moment. It's been escalating lately to a ridiculous and bothersome level, as many have said.

Then the minute Quirt calls Larry a "pianoweasel," the very people who are smearing lawyers go nuts. The problem, they say, is that "pianosweasel" is over the top because Larry is a good piano pro, and it's not right to attack his standing in his profession or something.

Yet these folks smearing lawyers never for a minute think that the lawyers might not appreciate their standing in their profession being attacked and are not "shysters", either.

Well, at least "pianoweasel" gives us some parity. If that's what you guys want . . .
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#730790 - 04/15/05 05:13 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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It's fun to hate or dislike certain groups based on the actions of a few.
Nah.

It isn't fun. It's just bigotry.
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#730791 - 04/15/05 05:15 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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cindy, I think you know how I meant that based on the VERY NEXT SENTENCE
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#730792 - 04/15/05 05:38 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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Originally posted by justme:

The problem as I see it with most lawyers (at least, the ones I've come across) is that they believe they are superior and smarter than the rest of us. [/b]
You just perfectly described sQuirt.

And here's a post to prove it.

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Originally posted by QuirtEvans:
"you can't seem to accept the fact that you're no better than I."

Assuming that I do think that I am better than you, there's two possibilities, Master E.

Either I think I am better than you, and I'm wrong.

Or I think I am better than you, and I'm right.

I opt for choice #2. [/b]

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#730793 - 04/15/05 05:41 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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I thought the conservative lawyers were too busy billing out at $400 per hour to corporate America to post here. \:D
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#730794 - 04/15/05 05:42 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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Rules me right out . . .

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#730795 - 04/15/05 05:47 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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Pardon me for interupting this lovefest, but most lawyers I know, I wouldn't invite to a Del Rio Dogfight.

They are legal mercenaries who would sell their soul to the highest bidder, and rob justice blind if she didn't bother to remove her blindfold.

Now, perhaps y'all are paragons of virtue, the Boy Scouts of the legal world. Yet, with the exception of Jack, I don't recall any criticism of the legal profession that y'all would admit was true - not saying you haven't, just saying I can't recall it.

I think your profession, as a profession, stinks. The greatest tragedy is it was not always so. The greatest hope is that it will return to its former glory.

If you were truthful, you might even admit that I'm right.

One of my best friends, who just happens to be an attorney, agrees with me.

Takes all kinds, I guess....
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#730796 - 04/15/05 05:50 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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All I have to say, is, Jolly, shut yer dang flapper!

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#730797 - 04/15/05 05:51 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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is that legal speak?
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#730798 - 04/15/05 05:59 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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Look...I could have said I wouldn't take most of 'em to a lizard...er...mating. \:o
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#730799 - 04/15/05 06:18 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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Originally posted by ny1911:
I thought the conservative lawyers were too busy billing out at $400 per hour to corporate America to post here. \:D [/b]
I gotta become one of them conservative lawyers. What club do I have to join before i triple my hourly rate?

jf
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#730800 - 04/15/05 06:19 PM Re: For the Record - I do not hate Larry - I'm just a lawyer
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JF - Move to New York City. All the lawyers charge that here, liberal or conservative. \:\)

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