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#764540 - 10/02/04 05:37 PM
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Registered: 12/27/03
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Originally posted by kenny:  KB said gay is a predisposition. Acting on it is a choice. Likewise being straight is a predisposition. Acting on it is a choice. Would you live celibate if some entity said that straight is bad? Wouldn't that be dumb? Wouldn't that suck? Hunger is a predisposition. Eating is a choice. I hear often that Christian doctrine says gays are wrong, bad, sinful, whatever. There is not gay doctrine that says being a Christian is wrong. I can understand how so many gays react to the hatred and rejection many Christians show them. Even to say, “It's okay to be gay, but just don't do anything, is ludicrous.” How did this thread get sidetracked into religion? And yes, religion is a choice. Even if mama dragged you to Sunday school before you could think. [/b] Ah, kennyboy looks like we're going to be at it for some time. But, I'll say this for you--I do enjoy the opportunity you give me to make some pretty good one liners. And to the rest of the Forum--it was worth a try! (I think kenny's going to turn me into a Calvinist--Dwain, here I come!)
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#764541 - 10/02/04 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by Tom-*K:  (I think kenny's going to turn me into a Calvinist--Dwain, here I come!) [/b] There was a young woman who entered the convent to test her vocation as a nun. She did her best to discern God's will for her and eventually it was obvious that she was not cut out to be a nun. She made an appointment with Mother Superior to tell her of her decision to leave the convent. "What do you intend to do when you leave, my daughter?" "Mother, I intend to become a prostitute." On hearing this, Mother Superior fainted dead away. The young woman did what she could to bring Mother Superior back around. When she was awake again, Mother Superior asked "What was it you said you intended to do when you leave?" "I said I wanted to become a prostitute." "Thank God," Mother Superior said. "I thought you said a Protestant." 
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#764543 - 10/02/04 06:01 PM
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#764544 - 10/02/04 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by Tom-*K:  John Andrew, Sometimes you're OK. I think on the "Who I'd like to Have Lunch With" thread--you'd come out pretty high in my book. [/b] Bad idea, Tom. We would find we agree on more than we disagree on -- and the world would likely stop turning on its axis. 
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#764545 - 10/02/04 08:02 PM
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Hi Kenny, Sorry to hear about your gryphonitis. From the symptoms you describe, it does appear that you're in the advanced stages. I can only give a layman's opinion, but hopefully the medical men & women of the board will chime in later on. Clearly, Iburepublican is essential, and I'm thinking your physician will probably want to couple this with a course of Corvettalin too. Now, your doc may think otherwise, but I'm afraid I can't recommend Homophobim. It is extremely volatile and I'm not convinced gryphonitis responds to it at all; in fact, there is a good chance it will just make it an awful lot worse than it already is. Beyond this, you probably know that a wide range of antichristamines are available without prescription. However, be sure to consult your physician BEFORE you start taking these in addition to any of the drugs above. DO NOT, under any circumstances, take Homophobim AND an antichristamine. Your gryphonitis is liable to mutate into gryphonitis agitatis, which medicine has yet to find a method of combating. It's simply not worth the risk. Hope that helps - let us know how you get on. Wishing you a speedy recovery, David 
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#764546 - 10/02/04 08:18 PM
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that was cute jazzy especially the antichristamine......
don't forget about chronic Kerryitis if you care to enter a political thread.
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love and peace, Õun (apple in Estonian)
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#764547 - 10/02/04 08:22 PM
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Just attempting to cheer this thread up, apple, in my own little way. David
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#764548 - 10/02/04 08:25 PM
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at least you're not yelling at me..
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love and peace, Õun (apple in Estonian)
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#764549 - 10/02/04 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by jazzyd:  Hi Kenny, Sorry to hear about your gryphonitis. From the symptoms you describe, it does appear that you're in the advanced stages. I can only give a layman's opinion, but hopefully the medical men & women of the board will chime in later on.[/b] David This is one of the wittiest and most creative posts I have ever seen on here. Well done! I chuckled through the entire thing.
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#764550 - 10/02/04 08:28 PM
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Me? Yell at you? I wouldn't dare. David
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#764552 - 10/02/04 11:10 PM
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david: kenny, i think i understand how you feel. among other things, this forum is a gathering place for friends. and when someone attacks me here in a meanspirited way, it hurts. there's really nothing you can do except ignore people who hurt you. recognize that it is their problem, not yours, and leave them to it. the rest of us can judge the situation for ourselves, even if you say nothing. another good exercise is to observe how other forum members handle meanspirited insults. irving in particular comes to mind. he was recently the target of some completely uncalled for nastiness, and he handled it with a great deal of class. i think we can all learn from such examples. unfortunately, sometimes the coffee room is like junior high school, and you have to do what my mother advised: hold your head up and ignore them, and just figure that if they are mean to you it is because they are jealous. btw, i do not believe that gryphon is a meanspirited person. i think his comments come from ignorance about homosexuality, which he has himself admitted. his comments to you have been hateful at times, but i know that gryphon himself is not a hateful person.
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#764553 - 10/03/04 08:31 AM
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Kenny, oh Kenny, oh Kenny, oh Kenny ... (in the style of Brando to Steiger), when are you going to realize the gryphon’s of the world are not your enemy. Quite the contrary, the gryphon’s of the world are the ones you want to get on your side. They’ll fight you tooth and nail if they see your thinking is lazy, faulty, self-serving, non-factual, etc. But they are open to constructive, substantiated and logical inputs. Haven’t you seen that yet??!! Gryphon did indicate he’s open to learning. He did it in the classic gryphon style,  but he did it. (I have zero problem with gryphon. He’s a technologist like myself and seeks ground truth because what we do either works or it doesn’t. No BS is going to carry the day as it might in some other fields that will remain nameless here. Now don’t anybody get riled up by that comment. I’m just doing my usual NY style of needling. If you can’t handle it, it’s very simple. Just don’t ever come to New York.  ) Anyway, Kenny, if you step back and really look at things objectively, you’ll see the type who’s your real problem. Yes, I appreciate you're highly sensitized by all the hurt and rejection you’ve suffered through life. So what do you want me to do and say? Stroke your brow and tell you it’s all those bad people out there who are at fault, so just stop your crying now you poor dear. You should be celebrating the (impending) demise of the Constitutional Amendment that would have denied you refuge anywhere in the US. Anyway, why would you want to live in states with the kind of people who would deny you the rights you seek? Deal with reality, not wish worlds and you’ll likely learn to cope. You have it much tougher than most, if not all, of we "straights" (whatever that means). But, so what? As they say, sometimes life just sucks. (Anyone who makes a pun out of that is an idiot!)
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#764554 - 10/03/04 09:16 AM
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Prique
"another good exercise is to observe how other forum members handle meanspirited insults. irving in particular comes to mind. he was recently the target of some completely uncalled for nastiness, and he handled it with a great deal of class. i think we can all learn from such examples."
Irvine is a schlock, and that nastiness just proved it.
"unfortunately, sometimes the coffee room is like junior high school"
and guess who the class bitch is?
lb
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#764557 - 10/03/04 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by lb:  Prique "another good exercise is to observe how other forum members handle meanspirited insults. irving in particular comes to mind. he was recently the target of some completely uncalled for nastiness, and he handled it with a great deal of class. i think we can all learn from such examples." Irvine is a schlock, and that nastiness just proved it. "unfortunately, sometimes the coffee room is like junior high school" and guess who the class bitch is? lb [/b] Nice.
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#764559 - 10/03/04 10:13 AM
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pique Do what I do. Ignore him. 
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#764560 - 10/03/04 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by piqué:  hey, kenny, here's another great opportunity to observe how other forum members respond to or ignore those who make comments not worth dignifying. [/b] Ok pique, you're nice to kenny, a hero. But, honestly do you see what gryphon's and my and some other people's honest problem with kenny is? Why we can really like the guy yet have a problem with the way he sees the world. Really, I see his point of view and I sympathize with him, but I have to disagree, and that I do sadly. He makes no effort to understand the other side. For what it's worth, it's quite annoying. Do you see my point? And personally by siding with him in his blindness towards other peoples' feelings I think you are only hurting him further. You hurt him more in the long run. 
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#764561 - 10/03/04 10:58 AM
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i have to confess, tom, that i do not understand your and gryphon and some other peoples' position. i don't know much about religion, and i can't fathom what it has to do with kenny or his homosexuality. i can't fathom how you can disagree with someone who isn't making a choice, but simply is what he is. so, yes, i am clueless, and no i don't see how my being sympathetic to kenny is hurting him.
to my way of thinking, your side is trying to dictate to others how they should lead their lives, requiring that they embrace your religious values. that runs counter to my personal values, which is that what kenny does or doesn't do in the privacy of his home is anyone else's concern. and that he is entitled to the same rights to love whom he chooses and commit to them in the same way and be accepted by our society. kenny, and the rest of us who are not christians, have a right to be free from the christian religion and its dictates in our lives. the fact that we live that way shouldn't be any of your concern. live and let live is the credo i live by.
and it's good that kenny speaks out about his reality, because without this dialogue, we'll never understand each other.
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#764562 - 10/03/04 11:24 AM
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pique,
Thanks for the response. All I can say is that our worldviews are at odds.
Besides for an occasional jab (and that's part of the territory--and those would go in either direction,) no one want's to hurt kenny personally.
Jolly's occasional post of "God loves you," and My thread of "Hay you can't say that about kenny," must be incomprehensible to you. For me, at least, and I suspect others, God is real--as real for me as being gay is for kenny, and from what I fathom of this God of mine is he has some rules... logical to you, no--but to me it's the bread of life. That's the way it is.
I do see your point on a lot of issues, I just can't agree. I wish you and kenny well, and will endeavor to say the best about your positions that I can, (now there's the problem of my bon mots--but that's a matter of "God make me good, but not yet.")
Now as usual, when I open up my heart to you--you decimate me--and that's OK, I mean what I say--as illogical as you may find it, I mean kenny well.
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#764563 - 10/03/04 12:19 PM
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Posts: 1731
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Kenny Some people ignore others, and some confront a bit*h or ba**ard that steps on your toes. Prique doesn't have the balls to confront me so she throws digs in her posts and then runs. You have to decide to confront or ignore some one that is in your face. Jeffery I cannot say whether Irvines shop is first rate or not, I have never been there, but I will take your word for it. My comments were my opinion of him on the forum, as that is my exposure to him. There is not another dealer that spins the way he does and at the same time tongue in cheek cuts down other pianos. We have some first class dealers here, but he is not one of them. I have received 6 PM's and emails about the recent incident, and everyone was in support of what I did. The comments I got were a lot less favorable than anything that I ever said or implied. [edit] The number of PM's infavor is now 8, and I just got three saying put it to the b*tch, what ever that means. lb
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#764564 - 10/03/04 12:26 PM
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Prique
If you want to ignore, ignore, but you put your little digs in posts and you will not be able to ignore me.
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#764565 - 10/03/04 12:40 PM
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Remember, lb, that a graceful taunt is worth a thousand insults. Pique packs more punch into one of her "digs" than you in all of your mad, frothing screeds combined.
(Oh, and lest ye feel the need to remind me yet again, I'm perfectly aware that I'm just an ignorant college student who doesn't deserve to have opinions.)
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#764566 - 10/03/04 12:49 PM
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I really seem to have the nack of pushing buttons. You spit on one c*ckroach and a dozen others come crawling out. I have had a very good day :p :p lb
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#764567 - 10/03/04 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by piqué: to my way of thinking, your side is trying to dictate to others how they should lead their lives, requiring that they embrace your religious values. [/b] I suspect that I am on that side to which you refer. Tell me when have I raised the point of religion or religious based values in this argument? My take on this is quite outside any Scripture or church doctrines. To my thinking all sexuality should remain behind closed doors rather than the subject of public or social acceptance or worse, a tool for advertising.
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#764568 - 10/03/04 03:55 PM
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lb: I have received 6 PM's and emails about the recent incident, and everyone was in support of what I did. The comments I got were a lot less favorable than anything that I ever said or implied. [edit] The number of PM's infavor is now 8, and I just got three saying put it to the b*tch, what ever that means. Damn! I wish I had a bunch of spineless creeps pming me. :rolleyes:
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