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#789713 - 04/15/03 11:21 AM "Can't we just all get along?"
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From the HeraldTribune:

King recovering after slamming his vehicle into house

The Associated Press

Rodney King, whose videotaped beating led to the 1992 riots in Los Angeles, remains in a hospital after he lost control of his car and crashed into a house over the weekend, police said.

King, 39, of Rialto was spotted Sunday by a Rialto police officer, who said King was weaving through traffic in his 2003 Ford Expedition and traveling about 100 mph when he slammed into a utility pole, a chain-link fence and then the home, police said. No one in the home was injured.

King broke his pelvis in the accident and was taken to Arrowhead Regional Medical Center in Colton where he was listed in fair condition Monday afternoon, hospital spokesman Jorge Valencia said.

Police said they suspect that King was intoxicated at the time of the accident, and a blood sample was drawn to determine his blood-alcohol level. Test results have not yet been released.

King was not arrested, but a report detailing the crash circumstances will be submitted to the district attorney's office, Rialto police Lt. Kathy Thompson said.

King, who is black, was chased by police through the San Fernando Valley in 1991 and was captured on videotape being beaten by four white officers, who were later acquitted. Riots broke out that lasted four days and left 55 dead and more than 2,000 injured. The mayhem caused $1 billion in property damage.

King later received a $3.8 million settlement from the city of Los Angeles in 1994.

He was convicted of spouse abuse in 1999 in San Bernardino County and received 90 days in jail and four years on probation. Claremont police arrested King for being under the influence of PCP in August 2001, and a month later, Pomona police arrested him for being under the influence of PCP and indecent exposure after visitors at Ganesha Park complained about a man jumping on an ice chest.

King pleaded no contest to three counts of being under the influence of PCP and a count of indecent exposure in October 2001. A judge gave King a year in a drug treatment center even though a prosecutor argued King should spend a year in county jail.

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#789714 - 04/15/03 11:23 AM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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And you posted this for what purpose?
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#789715 - 04/15/03 11:45 AM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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Oh, there are many points to this latest episode concerning Mr. King.

Leftists are quite bad about forgetting their poster children after the circus leaves town.

I just thought I'd catch you up on the latest! \:D
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#789716 - 04/15/03 11:49 AM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Jolly:
Oh, there are many points to this latest episode concerning Mr. King.

Leftists are quite bad about forgetting their poster children after the circus leaves town.

I just thought I'd catch you up on the latest! \:D [/b]
Funny, I haven't seen "leftists" posting anything about the Prez' nieces lately. Have I missed something? Or are you Stalinoids even more forgetful than that? (shall we start some posts about the the retired U.S. military people who ran the flight schools and trained the Al-Qaeda folks who crashed into the twin towers? Or shall we stay with Timothy McVeigh and his "friends"?) :p

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#789717 - 04/15/03 11:51 AM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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Did I miss something, or did Jeb's daughter endanger the motorists, and homeowners of Tallahasee recently?
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#789718 - 04/15/03 11:53 AM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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Originally posted by Jolly:
Did I miss something, or did Jeb's daughter endanger the motorists, and homeowners of Tallahasee recently?[/b]
Actually, it seems like you've missed quite a lot. Welcome back! ;\)

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#789719 - 04/15/03 11:54 AM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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#789720 - 04/15/03 11:59 AM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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OK Shant, this ought to really make your day( ;\) ):

Current "buzz" in Republican camps is "Bush in 2008!"

No, not GWB, but Jeb.

Ready for a three-peat? :p
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#789721 - 04/15/03 12:40 PM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Jolly:
Oh, there are many points to this latest episode concerning Mr. King.

Leftists are quite bad about forgetting their poster children after the circus leaves town.

I just thought I'd catch you up on the latest! \:D [/b]
Hmmm...

Maybe I should start a post about the Iran-Contra scandal. Sometimes the right like to forget about things. In fact, they will even hold up one of the convicted felons of that sordid affair (who got off on one of those nasty technicalities the ACLU has forced on us) as a hero and they give him his own radio talk show.
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#789722 - 04/15/03 01:20 PM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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I would be glad to debate you on the life of Oliver North vs that of Rodney King.

Or, let's reach back, and pull convicted felon, J. Gordon Liddy into this fray.

Do you really want to go there?
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#789723 - 04/15/03 01:32 PM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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Originally posted by Jolly:
I would be glad to debate you on the life of Oliver North vs that of Rodney King.

Or, let's reach back, and pull convicted felon, J. Gordon Liddy into this fray.

Do you really want to go there?[/b]
No, because I would argue that subverting the constitution in the name of the President is a major crime and both should still be in prison. I would also argue that Rodney King is a pathetic little habitual petty criminal who is of little consequence to the safety of this society.

You would see it the other way.
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#789724 - 04/15/03 01:41 PM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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I suppose that if it could be said that Oliver North escaped justice on a technicality it could just as easily be said that Bill Clinton escaped conviction for crimes against the state and subverting the Constitution, similarly, on a technicality. Two can play at this game.
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#789725 - 04/15/03 01:43 PM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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I agree, it's ridiculous to compare Oliver North to Rodney King. How about comparing two, adulturous, politicians? Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich.

Any takers?

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#789726 - 04/15/03 01:50 PM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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OK Derick, I'll wade off into that one, and I'll add one more name - Bob Livingston.

In the case of Clinton, whos' offense was much more serious than either of Gingrich's , or Livingston's, he refused to abbrogate power, in spite of his shame.

Whether completely voluntary, or not, at least the two Republicans had the decency to resign.

And that perhaps is the difference, Clinton felt no shame.
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#789727 - 04/15/03 01:51 PM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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Sure, Bill Clinton committed perjury and encouraged others to do so. Newt Gingrich did not. I never was especially worked up about their marital problems.
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#789728 - 04/15/03 02:09 PM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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Jolly and JBryan, you make valid points. But, the fact is that Gingrich is highly revered by the right while Clinton is still taking a beating for it. Of course, Clinton has commited multiple sins and it's hard to isolate adultury from all the others.

On the other hand, Mr. Family values himself, the epitome of hypocracy, is thought of as some kind of god by the right.

You have to admit, when it comes to adultury, both have earned their stripes. It just goes to prove that both liberals and conservatives have selective memories.

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#789729 - 04/15/03 02:13 PM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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Come on Derick, Bill Clinton is revered by the left and Newt Gingrich reviled (by the left). The only difference is that, while Bill Clinton committed acts that were actually crimes before the State, Newt Gingrich did not.
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#789730 - 04/15/03 02:21 PM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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JBryan, you are right, of course. But is it any worse for someone to commit a crime against the state, originating from the sin of adultury, than it is for someone to get on his high-horse about family values and then discovered to be an adulturer?

When you look at both individuals from purely a right/wrong, good/bad perspective, on the issue of adultury alone, both rank pretty low in my opinion.

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#789731 - 04/15/03 03:56 PM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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I would also argue that Rodney King is a pathetic little habitual petty criminal who is of little consequence to the safety of this society.
Ahem, since I live in the greater metropolitan area where Mr King does a lot of his reckless driving I happen to think my saftey is of much greater consequence than you seem to. \:D

You'd think he could have spent some of that money on a driver for when he wants to binge! :p
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#789732 - 04/15/03 05:56 PM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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Originally posted by Derick:
When you look at both individuals from purely a right/wrong, good/bad perspective, on the issue of adultury alone, both rank pretty low in my opinion.

Derick[/b]
This is true and was never the point of my disagreement. However, I try to confine my areas of condemnation to those which may actually impinge on my life. Whether or not Bill Clinton or Newt Gingrich are adulterers is a matter that lies between them, their wives, and the almighty. When these acts become the focus of legal action and they comport themselves in a manner inconsistent with lawful behavior, that is the point at which I become the most concerned as to their fitness for office.

That is not to say that I am totally unconcerned with adultery as it pertains to fitness for office. After all, I figure if a man would lie to his wife he certainly would have no qualms about lying to me. However, that is something that would inform my judgment as to his veracity and not be a deciding factor, for me, with regard to his fitness for office. In other words, I am not shocked or surprised when politicians may lie to me but I expect them to, at the very least, obey the law.
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#789733 - 04/16/03 01:57 AM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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posted April 15, 2003 01:50 PM
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OK Derick, I'll wade off into that one, and I'll add one more name - Bob Livingston.

In the case of Clinton, whos' offense was much more serious than either of Gingrich's , or Livingston's, he refused to abbrogate power, in spite of his shame.

Whether completely voluntary, or not, at least the two Republicans had the decency to resign.

And that perhaps is the difference, Clinton felt no shame. [/b]
You mean he should have resigned?

Nah, if anything his judgement on this whole affair was abysmally flawed but in my estimation not sufficient to warrant anything that drastic.

Actually I would have expected ol' Hillary to split after this but I guess that the "appearance" of marital unity mattered after all.

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#789734 - 04/16/03 03:19 AM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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JBryan -

Whatever gives you the idea that Clinton is "revered" by the Left (whatever that is)? I think he's a source of great embarrassment and also anger. Not that I see myself as a spokesperson for any "Wing", but I get the feeling that people from his own Party and inner circle are extremely angry at him. He lied to everybody[/b], you know! And then got others, including his poor little secretary, to lie for him.

It's thanks to Bill Clinton, that parents no longer dream of having their kids "grow up to be President" - but a position with greater dignity!
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#789735 - 04/16/03 06:54 AM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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Judging from his booked up speaking engagements at high fees I would have to say he is revered by someone. I would also venture to say that few, if any, in attendance are right-wingers.
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#789736 - 04/16/03 07:48 AM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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And then got others, including his poor little secretary, to lie for him. [/b]
In every sense of the word.

Clinton's pretty popular here in NYC, not so much with the Bridge and Tunnel crowd, but more with the well heeled east and west siders.

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#789737 - 04/16/03 09:45 AM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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Originally posted by TomK:
In every sense of the word.

[/b]
Indeed. She demonstrated the only way one could look up to Bill Clinton.
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#789738 - 04/16/03 10:39 AM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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At least she was eye to eye, so to speak. \:o
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#789739 - 04/16/03 05:01 PM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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Whatever gives you the idea that Clinton is "revered" by the Left (whatever that is)? I think he's a source of great embarrassment and also anger
Ariel, I agree, and this kind of connection between Clinton and the "left" can be filed under the ol' scarecrow technique. Build a scarecrow; tear it down. Label Clinton as "left," and let the arrows fly. Never mind the fact that Clinton was a centrist; just let those arrows fly, boy!

I'll spare the speech about binary thinking. I'll also spare the speech about why human beings love binary thinking: black/white (both in terms of ideas and people), gay/straight, left/right, democrat/republican, male/female, self/other, speech/writing (the post-structuralists love this one), heaven/hell, right/wrong, and so on.

What the writer meant to say, of course, was the Clinton is popular among democrats. The stuff about "left" is decoration.

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#789740 - 04/16/03 05:23 PM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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Clinton may appear to be centrist to someone on the left. I see nothing "centrist" about him.

Yes, there is a right and a left and a sort of continuum in between. People do not fall entirely on one end or on the other but are generally more towards one end or the other. I am more towards the right. You, on the other hand, would appear to be more toward the left.

I am certain you will quarrel with me on that but that is how it appears to me. Clinton is now and has always has been supported by those that tend toward the left. I know all of this runs counter to your "there is no classification for anything" thought process but that is the way things are.

Clinton is, as you said, popular with Democrats and they tend to be more towards the left.
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#789741 - 04/20/03 02:44 AM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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JBryan,

Sorry for the late reply - forgot I had posted here...

Just because he commands hefty speaking fees, doesn't mean he's revered. People in American worship fame, number one - fame from notoriety as much as or more than from admiration. Madonna gets a good turn-out. Is she revered? What's that saying? "I don't care what you say about me, just spell my name right!" He's a commodity. Even a curiosity.
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#789742 - 04/20/03 07:26 AM Re: "Can't we just all get along?"
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Ariel,

Your point is well taken. Perhaps revered is the wrong term for what is felt for Clinton even among his supporters.
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