ny1911: Like Elena, I question that 3% figure.

But that's really not the point. Pedophilia is predatory and abnormal whichever sexual orientation it is emanating from.

To associate homosexuality with pedophilia is dangerous, inaccurate and unfair. Would we be right in concluding that we should blame all heterosexual males for pedophilia aimed at underage females? That's the commonest kind of pedophilia.

Sickness is sickness. Child molesting is child molesting. Fair is fair.

Ariel

Bernard asked: Very peculiar. But something tells me, odds are it's not a brand new poster. The turns of phrase sound like a familiar voice to me.

"Improviso", bugger off! And how about signing your usual name?

Ariel

For the record:

Another thing that the defenders of Cootie Shots ignore is the fact that the schools are showing this to elementary school students in violation of the opt-out forms that parents had previously signed to excuse their children from exposure to any material dealing with sex, morality, or religion. They also didn't give prior notice to the parents or allow parents to review the material to be presented beforehand, all California state education code requirements.

Other themes in the series have Rapunzel running off with a princess, for example.

Interesting phrase choice. Chosen for the irony, no doubt.

No doubt.

If that's the case, it is pretty sick to sign on just to annoy a regular poster. Pretty cowardly too.

Not mine:
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

I'm a bigot. If Matt's definition #2 is correct, I can live with that.

Maybe Ariel, but most people who would say that are pretty vocal already and wouldn't need to post under another alias. Unless someone was usually mild mannered and polite and didn't want to burn his image. Hey, kinda like Lazy Pianist's reasons for doing the same thing.
:p

You mean just like the benefit of the doubt that was lavished upon Jack Frost when he first appeared?

Here are a few links:

http://www.theinterim.com/2002/sept/02study.html

http://www.afajournal.org/archives/23060000011.asp

I can't can't vouch for the researchers as I am just pulling a stat to reinforce what I've heard.
I can say that it seems like most reported cases of pedophilia in the news are man-boy. Which is contrary to what you've stated. I don't know who is correct.

No. I'm saying that if a student is taking an elective about Modern Literature, I as a parent should not need to be deflecting discussions about sexuality that are opinion, not fact based.
That can be done in the appropriate forum.

Then please explain why NAMBLA is allowed to march in "gay" pride parades in New York, San Francisco and Boston under its own NAMBLA banner. And why NAMBLA is a member of New York's council of Lesbian and Gay Organizations and the International Gay Association.

An aside. And a friendy aside: personally, I think that when it comes to your beliefs, you Born Again Christians are weenies.

Matt's definiion #2: you guys would hem and haw for years over that one. ('cept maybe Jolly.)

NY1911,
I'll refrain from making a sissy boy comment because of the thread we're in. I just played the .380 odds.
Go here, and ask for one for Christmas ($1000!)
http://www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/product/prod_set.html


More on topic, the 3% figure is silly. Before you can come up with a percentage, you need to define what your requirements are. If it is that the person would puke before having heterosexual sex, maybe it is 3%. If it is that they would prefer homosexual sex, it's closer to 10%. If it is that they have little preference or prefer homosexual, you get over 10%, but most people consider this last group to be bi-sexually oriented.

1/3 of pedophiles are not homosexual. That would be the case even if pedophiles who preferred children of their own sex WERE considered homosexuals. They're not. They're just considered pedophiles. I can tell you that as a jail doc I met many pedophiles, and it was more about age then gender. It is tragic how many fathers sexually abuse their young daughters. Are they pedophiles? I don't know. I do know they should be shot with something bigger than a .380. Maybe 00 buck to the nether regions?

This is from this link:
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

It's worth reading if you have 5 minutes.

Bernard,

I'm surprised I was the only one who was offended by the stereotyping in the skit. Bad stereotyping bugs me almost as much as blatent stupidity. Guess that's why I surf the web here more than at most other sites I'm a "member" of. I'm with you regarding whoever chose this thread as post 1 territory. Almost everyone elses first post is over in the piano forum because that's what brought them here.

Todd

So, I post an opinion which is in opposition to a regular poster and am immediately labeled a "troll".

Who's being intolerate now? (i.e. Bigot" by the definition above)

Earth to Oddler2: "We don't copy!"

By the way, that quote is mentioned in one of your links.
Todd

Hey Tom,
Go check out MikeMalloy.com or the DU. For the opposite side I'm sure you know more links than I do ya #2 bigot.

This place and, surprisingly, GlockTalk.com, are pretty fair and balanced by me.

Naw, just a jerk, and an overly defensive one.

I'm not intolerant, I just don't suffer fools gladly.

Kinda like those limp-wristed girly-men, who only carry .380s. Why don't y'all carry something a grown man would be proud to stand up on his hind legs, and shoot? :p :p

(This coming from a man who often carries a DAO 25ACP, that you'd probably have to hold the muzzle against the mouse's ear, to be effective.)

Todd, just wanted to say how much I have enjoyed reading your well-written, thoughtful posts. You have made many good points. Thank you.

Elena
http://www.pianofourhands.com

Hmmm... guilt by association. I seem to recall a big stink about that in relation to Justice Scalia....

That's it. I can't take it any more. I'm going out to buy a 0.50 caliber before NY bans them.


Seriously though...I don't think I'd ever want to be on the business end of a .22LR, never mind the .25ACP or .380ACP.

Improviso,

Why not start all over and tell us what brings you to this forum.

Are you a pianist?

Or an organist?

Are you shopping for a piano?

Are you a piano technician?

Do you have an agenda?

Whatever. Let us know where you stand.

Introduce yourself to us, and tell us why you are here. This, is your chance. Now, is the time.

Toddler2, I guess I wasn't so concerned about stereotyping because I understood the work to be a series of skits, this being just one about cross-dressing. From what I can tell, the piece actually covers many sorts of prejudices.

Luke's dad,
I can see how it might appear that I was over-reacting in my first post. In my defense, Larry's use of the word "indoctrination" really set me off because we hear so much about how homosexuals are out to convert others, and how young children can become homosexual by exposure to homosexuals and by learning about homosexuals, which is ridiculous.

Larry, I'm sorry if my use of the word bigot set you off. I truly believe that many of the people against these types of work are bigots, if not yourself.

My point was and still is that the piece attempts to teach diversity and tolerance for differences and I think that is good. I will actually go out and buy the book and report back when I've finished it.

As a society we want what's best for our children. I don't know if child ownership entitles one to an opinion that carries more weight than a non-child owner, but it sure feels like it does.

apple, Larry touched on this last night and I disagree with him. I feel quite strongly that the best qualification for knowing what's good for children is to have been a child. And we've all been there. Deep inside us is the child which knows. Parents will have strong feelings about what they think is best for their children but this speaks more to their experience as adults than it does to the experience of being a child. That's how I see it, anyway.

If you had children Bernard, when would you teach them 'the facts of life' whatever they are?

Bernard,

With all due respect:

That's crap. I don't give two hoots about my own childhood, ( of course I haven't been through 20 years of analysis!) It's over it's dead, it's done. I care about my kids, that's all. I want them to know nothing about crossdressers, and pedophiles, and sex offenders till they can understand such things--and that would be as late in life as possible.

I want them to know about the existance of evil, yes--but it's the nature of that evil that needs pause and an then explaination, by me.

Their my kids, let me teach them the way I want.