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#799987 - 03/20/04 05:17 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
Jack Frost Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by SameKenny:
Ariel
Your post is why I read this forum.
You reveal yourself.
You talk of your personal experience with your loved ones.
You reveal your conflicts.
What happened when "how it should be" crashes with "how it is".
I love that.
That is where I live.

So not puritan.
So not arogant.
So not principled.
So human.

Thanks [/b]
yes

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#799988 - 03/20/04 05:27 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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Hey jolly, gryphon and renuda, (and who else?)
Why do you use fake names?
What are your real names?
What's amadah?
Ashamed?
Protecting your ill-gotten wealth?

Why are the most verbose righties less likely to show up at piano parties?

Also,
If lefties are more “live and let live” are they not more likely to not bother posting to "fix" anyone?
Or at least, more likely to see the futility of fighting?

Or, perhaps they just tolerate intolerance?

Anyone care to start a list to compare righties and lefties?
Monikers vs. real names.
Absent or present at events.
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#799989 - 03/20/04 05:33 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by SameKenny:
If lefties are more “live and let live” are they not more likely to not post?
Or at least, to see the stupidity of fighting?
Or, tolerate intolerance?


Anyone care to start a list to compare? [/b]
Actually, my experience with lefties suggests they are less likely to ascribe to live and let live; oh, they're the first to spout the saying, but the last to actually live the idea.
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#799990 - 03/20/04 05:37 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
SameKenny Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Luke's Dad:
 Quote:
Originally posted by SameKenny:
If lefties are more “live and let live” are they not more likely to not post?
Or at least, to see the stupidity of fighting?
Or, tolerate intolerance?


Anyone care to start a list to compare? [/b]
Actually, my experience with lefties suggests they are less likely to ascribe to live and let live; oh, they're the first to spout the saying, but the last to actually live the idea. [/b]
Luke's dad is a fake name!

. . .

Next. . .
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#799991 - 03/20/04 05:46 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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Mr. Same Kenny (that's really your name?),

Please do not hijack the thread. If you're concerned about people not using their real names, start a separate thread about it.


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#799992 - 03/20/04 05:48 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
Jolly Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by SameKenny:
Hey jolly, gryphon and renuda, (and who else?)
Why do you use fake names?
What are your real names?
What's amadah?
Ashamed?
Protecting your ill-gotten wealth?

Why are the most verbose righties less likely to show up at piano parties?

Also,
If lefties are more “live and let live” are they not more likely to not post?
Or at least, to see the stupidity of fighting?
Or, tolerate intolerance?


Anyone care to start a list to compare? [/b]
Actually most of us are not too hard to find, if you really want to.

But I do like to think that I'm smart enough to maintain at least a small modicum of privacy on the internet...

See, I pointed out to KathyK awhile back, that if I was a bad person, by using the link that was formerly on her profile, I could do about what I wanted, since I knew where she lived, and what she looked like. Since people are creatures of habit, a few days stakeout, a few innocuous inquiries, and I could have left her in a road ditch, with nobody the wiser.

As to your current writing quality, may I suggest that you go back to staring at poo in the toilet, as I suspect you are feces-faced enough to appreciate it.
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#799993 - 03/20/04 05:50 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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My name is kenny.
I hosted PianoFourm's VERY FIRST piano party in my HOME.
My idea.

A brave act of trust, and the belief in humanity, and in the uniting power of music.
Open to both righties and lefties alike.
A good time was had by all.
All 5 So. Cal. piano parties since have been inclusive and transcendent experiences.
I seem to recall Bernard hosted a party in his home.
In New York, Brooklyn, no less.

What do ya say, next one at Jolly house?
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#799994 - 03/20/04 05:53 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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And I thought that I was turning this thread from the original post. Silly me. Looks like a donut to me. \:D

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#799995 - 03/20/04 06:10 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
Luke's Dad Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by SameKenny:
Luke's dad is a fake name!

. . .

Next. . . [/b]
Actually, more people call me by that than they do my given name \:D .
and that's capitol "D" to you :p .

If you go back to my first post on the forum, then under the name William88 before I lost my password, you will find that the reason I don't post under my given name deals with company policy for my employer. As we had unfortunately had an employee post false information (he was fired), we adopted this policy so that anything I post doesn't reflect poorly on my company.

Besides, what's it to you if I use an alias? Live and let live, isn' t that what you said before?[/b]
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#799996 - 03/20/04 06:25 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by rvaga:
Mr. Same Kenny (that's really your name?),

Please do not hijack the thread. If you're concerned about people not using their real names, start a separate thread about it.

[/b]
You're right. Sorry I got pulled into it.

Back to the thread at hand:

By the reckoning of those that defend the song/skit; do I have a right to put on a show at a school where a character sings about how they don't want to have sex, and all the other boys and girls laugh at him/her and call the character names, but it's ok because in the end, all the other children are going to be crack-whores and die of AIDS? After all, shouldn't we teach tolerance of those that wish to abstain?

How about a show where a christian boy sings about how he's made fun of because he won't shoplift, because he concentrats on Jesus at christmas and not Santa Claus, and because he prays; but it's ok, because in the end he will go to heaven while the other kids burn in eternal hell. That's appropriate for teaching tolerance of religion, isn't it?
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#799997 - 03/20/04 06:32 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
SameKenny Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Jolly:See, I pointed out to KathyK awhile back, that if I was a bad person, by using the link that was formerly on her profile, I could do about what I wanted, since I knew where she lived, and what she looked like. Since people are creatures of habit, a few days stakeout, a few innocuous inquiries, and I could have left her in a road ditch, with nobody the wiser.
[/QB]
Jolly
Will you murder me too?
If you DO host the next piano party, perhaps it should be at a local dealer.
Kenny
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#799998 - 03/20/04 06:34 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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The sad thing is that this child will eventually meet up with the likes of TomK, Jbryan and Larry in his life. [/b]

Now Elena, that was unfair. If he "met up with the likes of me", he would find that he was treated with the same respect that anyone else is, and would continue to receive that same treatment until he did something to cause me to treat him otherwise.

Tolerance works two ways. You want people to not stereotype homosexuals, so don't stereotype me.
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#799999 - 03/20/04 06:44 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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Kenny's snapped.

And my name's TOM and my last name begins with a "K".

(apple and I have chatted about hosting a piano party in the Keys--but I have no piano there.)

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#800000 - 03/20/04 06:49 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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 Quote:
Luke's Dad:
By the reckoning of those that defend the song/skit; do I have a right to put on a show at a school where a character sings about how they don't want to have sex. . . After all, shouldn't we teach tolerance of those that wish to abstain?
[/b]
I think that's a very good question.

Why do only certain perspectives of social mores get the green light for inclusion into K-12 curriculum, while other perspectives not?

Curious that in K-12 education, the promotion of acceptance of "diversity" was not implemented by caring people looking for humane benefits. The emphasis of including diversity training in all facets of public education was the result of corporations demanding (via NCEE) that schools provide a better work force: high school grads that could work in diverse groups in a group-consensus job environment, and be able to present issues in front of a group (public speaking emphasis). The implementation of diversity training in the public school curriculum had to do with improving worker productivity, it was not part of any liberal agenda (but they think it was, or at least took the ball and ran with it).

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#800001 - 03/20/04 06:55 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
SameKenny Offline
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Loc: So California
 Quote:
Originally posted by Tom-*K:
Kenny's snapped.

And my name's TOM and my last name begins with a "K".

(apple and I have chatted about hosting a piano party in the Keys--but I have no piano there.) [/b]
okay
If you say so, I snapped, but Jolly' reference to leaving Kathy in the ditch was somwhat snappy:

quote of Jolly:
See, I pointed out to KathyK awhile back, that if I was a
bad person, by using the link that was formerly on her profile, I could do about what I wanted, since I knew where she lived, and what she looked like. Since people are creatures of habit, a few days stakeout, a few innocuous inquiries, and I could have left her in a road ditch, with nobody the wiser.

Hmmmm

Anyway, I love the Keys.
Great for renting mopeds and diving.
Rent a piano. . .
Name a date.

Do you love music Tom?
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#800002 - 03/20/04 06:56 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Tom-*K:
Kenny's snapped.

And my name's TOM and my last name begins with a "K".

(apple and I have chatted about hosting a piano party in the Keys--but I have no piano there.) [/b]
What about the Bosie? Or was that a Farfisa?

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#800003 - 03/20/04 07:51 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by EHpianist:
You mean straight people don't get AIDS? [/b]
Neither my wife nor I will ever get AIDS. (Unless it is introduced into us through a blood transfusion I suppose). We don't engage in risky behaviors like sleeping around or IV drug use. This guy engaged in risky behavior that, sadly, resulted in him contracting AIDS. I believe I said that in each post.
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You bet this is about tolerance[/b]
Intolerance gave him AIDS?
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#800004 - 03/20/04 07:52 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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kathy--if you can do the rear end--I can do the Bosie!

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#800005 - 03/20/04 08:12 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by bcarey:
I believe many homosexuals contracted AIDS before it was widely known that it was so prevalent in the homosexual population.[/b]
It became known in the homosexual population in the late 70's. In 1981 the CDC called it "gay cancer" then GRID (gay-related immune deficiency). By now The New York times is publishing articles on it, hundreds of cases are diagnosed and lots of people are dying. In 1982 the CDC changes the name to AIDS. The Gay Men's Health Crisis is formed. Now thousands are diagnosed in the U.S. and they're dying by the hundreds. 1983, now they're dying by the thousands in the U.S. 1985, now the death toll is well over 10,000 a year and AIDS cases are numberd in the tens of thousands in the U.S. 1988, over 100,000 AIDS cases in the U.S.

So that's, what, way over 20 years everyone has known about it. So why are millions of people still contracting AIDS each year? This poor mother's son was a college student, he wasn't an idiot. So why did he just die of AIDS recently? His behavior.
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Many of the ones I know who have died, and those I know who have the disease, contracted it before those facts were known.[/b]
So they all died 25 years ago?
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the fastest growing incidents in the US are in the African American community. And no one is doing anything to stop it!!![/b]
People are contracting AIDS because of their behavior.[/b] They have the power to stop it today, immediately, by stopping their behavior.
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#800006 - 03/20/04 08:27 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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Well, if you must know, Dr. RV, the black baby doll is still in my attic in her box - one of many items I am debating selling on eBay.

I'm a sucker for sales. It's a very nice baby doll (though the features are pretty white).

And if you look back at my original post you will see I had puchased it "in case my sons felt like nurturing play" They didn't, so it stayed in the attic.
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What were you thinking? - your son was part of your personal outcome-based psychological experiment? [/b]
Now, any other ways you want to play "gotcha" with my fetish about social engineering? Or rather your fetish that I have a fetish.

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#800007 - 03/20/04 08:34 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Tom-*K:
kathy--if you can do the rear end--I can do the Bosie! [/b]
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#800008 - 03/20/04 08:36 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by SameKenny:
gryphon Oh, please nail me to this cross too.[/b]
What the heck are you talking about?
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#800009 - 03/20/04 08:45 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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I think he's trying to weave the liberal threads together into a shroud.
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#800010 - 03/20/04 08:45 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by SameKenny:
Hey ... gryphon...
Why do you use fake names?[/b]
I use my real name. My real name is in my profile, as is the town where I live. I am also in the phone book. Everyone here knows what company I work for. Most in the Coffee Room probably even know a bit about some of my family (at least a couple of my kids). What about you? Is your name Kenny Jodgflylmp? What city do you live in? Who do you work for? And your kids?
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Why are the most verbose righties less likely to show up at piano parties?[/b]
I have never been to one in Colorado or New York or California or Washington because I live in Michigan.
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#800011 - 03/20/04 08:47 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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Sameto you SameKenny (SaneKenny),
Thank you. \:\)

And you too, Luke's Dad, from earlier on. \:\) (What's the name problem with you? Luke is a real name, so that's you. You know in Arab countries, parents get renamed after their - boy - children. Mothers anyhow.)

You two are on the side of the angels.

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#800012 - 03/20/04 10:51 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
Matt G. Offline
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Loc: Plainfield, IL
 Quote:
Originally posted by Jolly:
But I'm sure you could give me a blow-by-blow description. I have a strong scientific curious streak.[/b]
Cute, very cute. You kiss you mother with that mouth? \:o

And, honestly, are you trying to insinuate that I'm gay in some sort of misguided effort to undermine my credibility?

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However, when I pointed out that I do know some homosexuals, and in fact have known them for many years, why suddenly, I don't know what I am talking about.

Sorry, you can't have it both ways. Either I know them, and interact with them on a daily basis, or I'm living on the dark side of the moon. Seeing as how the 'net doesn't reach that side of the moon, we can deductively say the first allegory is true.[/b]
Sorry, buddy boy, but the sad fact is that while you may be acquainted[/b] with a homosexual or two, you don't really interact with them on a completely open personal level with them. Yet it's all just surface, because that makes it easier to maintain the us vs. them mentality that pervades your statements of opinion. Methinks thou dost protest too much. Perhaps if you had a very close friend or beloved family member that turned out to be homosexual you might understand them a little better. A coworker is a coworker, and the intimate details of one's coworker's life are far less than one might know of those of a loved one.
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Let me have you at an early enough age, and I could train you to believe you were a dog.[/b]
I've never maintained that children are not malleable. There are millions of extremist Muslims out there that confirm your point. My point is that homosexuality arises spontaneously, without any "training" or outside influence, and usually in spite[/b] of childhood training.
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Your premise demands that people are either born homosexual, or not. Gryphon has given many examples in just the past few weeks that adequately refute that hypothesis.[/b]
Given a couple of hours, I could post far more examples that support my position. While I can appreciate your desire to cling to whatever tiny and controvertible evidence you have that supports your position, the theory that homosexuals can be "converted" is a decidedly fringe idea.
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Apparently, "I'm OK, you're Ok", does not work for gays?[/b]
For gay bashers? Nope. They'd rather destroy the thing that causes them to be attracted than come to grips with their own attraction itself.

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I would like for society to become better. I do not see how including more ambiguity into the societal mores makes the society better.[/b]
So, then, you think that the suicides and marriages based on deception are improving society? How?
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#800013 - 03/20/04 11:15 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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Matt G,

I follow your arguments, except for the following:

"For gay bashers? Nope. They'd rather destroy the thing that causes them to be attracted than come to grips with their own attraction itself."

Elaborate?

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#800014 - 03/20/04 11:36 PM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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Loc: North Groton, NH
 Quote:
Originally posted by Larry:

... that was unfair. If he "met up with the likes of me", he would find that he was treated with the same respect that anyone else is, and would continue to receive that same treatment until he did something to cause me to treat him otherwise.

Tolerance works two ways. You want people to not stereotype homosexuals, so don't stereotype me.
I believe you, Larry, and I would like to put a pause in the thread at this point to say to everyone who might have been aghast to read the ramblings on pages 1-3 of this thread that I take responsibility and wish to apologize for the overly combative tone. Larry, I am sorry for getting things off to such a bad start. I have enough faith in humanity to believe that had I not made what seemed like a personal attack, many of your words would not have been written. And then I would not have felt compelled to hurl even more in your direction. Shall we start over? Shall we agree to retract our insults to one another? Personal insults that come from wounded souls can be excused and forgiven.

This does not mean that the words in this thread don't hurt--they do, and unless your name is Larry, ...

I hope you will understand that I thought the originating threads were stereotyping homosexuals. Even though they appear to, I could have done a better job at discriminating the issues. One of the issues is the tendency to isolate small incidents like the skit and use it to deride an entire group of people. We have seen this happen in the Coffee Room before when talking about gay day at Disney World. I am very sensitive to this sort of thing. (It always really infuriated me in school when the whole class was punished for the behavior of one person. Go figure.)

Many of you know I spent 20 years trying to change my sexuality and have come to a point of greater acceptance. I have also spent the last 20 years in celibacy. From this vantage point I see alot of what goes on in the homosexual community that disturbs me. (I see alot of what goes on in the heterosexual community that disturbs me.) The difference is that a homosexual (usually) grows up with a part of him/her self that remains invisible to everyone else. The most important people in a young homosexual's life must remain ignorant of the true child. This is a big tradgedy and explains a great deal of the behavior that is sometimes observed in homosexual people. People may say "well he acts that way because he's gay". The real reason he acts that way is because he has had to hide for so long and knows that if he didn't hide he'd be shunned and outcast. And when they may finally find a place that seems secure enough to come out, there's usually an explosion of exuberance from having been pent up for so long. There's often also confusion about how to act, knowing they may be insulted and/or physically hurt just for being who they are. There is a lot more I could say about this, but not now.
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#800015 - 03/21/04 12:15 AM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by apple:
Children are only young for a short while
They should be taught to be tolerant
They should be taught we are equal

They shouldn't be taught at too young an age
some of the things that burden adults
that they will experience all too soon. [/b]
apple, I meant to mention it last night, but being at work got distracted. I think it's a beautiful poem. "...some of the things that burden adults..."--They should be taught in their own good time (with an eye on reality, of course), don't you think?
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#800016 - 03/21/04 12:55 AM Re: Has your K-6 grade kid had cootie shots yet?
SameKenny Offline
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Registered: 02/14/04
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Loc: So California
I logged on to apologize too.
I am too combative on this issue.
Equality is just too important.

Maybe I should just get used to people being intolerant.

And Jolly, granted, people who have been parents have a unique experience that can't be simulated.
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