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#83021 - 10/26/06 10:35 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
Zhonhern Offline
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Somebody's placed a Yamaha C2 on ebay singapore for 4k, if anyone's interested:

http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/YAMAHA-GRAND-PIAN...1QQcmdZViewItem

Looks like a gray market import judging from the 2 pedals, but might be worth considering...

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#83022 - 10/26/06 10:54 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
Zhonhern Offline
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On 2nd thought, i don't think they made C2s with 2 pedals. It's probably a G2.

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#83023 - 10/26/06 07:45 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Zhonhern
Oh yes, Thanks for the info. I'm trying to register into Ebay to contact the seller.

Thanks Mendo for the encouragements.
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#83024 - 10/29/06 11:00 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Near the end of bidding, the seller called me to come down to take a look. There were other parties going at different time slot.

Well, I went down to inspect the G2 with my Lumileds 3W torchlight.... hehehe
As I was testing and playing, bidding continues..
It ends at about $5300. I finds the G2 below my expectation, so i didn't top up or try to secure the instrument and politely turn down the marriage - didn;t hymotize me. If it were good, I could have blink blink..

Finding: serial no. is about 27 or 29million, didn't remember clearly. Strings, slightly rust stain at tuning pins area. Brass are darken. Hammer are fluffy - needless to say, deep grooved. Touch were poorer than my U1A.
Soundboard, no cracks. Finishing good. Key surface, good.

Tuning were well done by Century Piano. Best of all, the Tone dynamics were great. When player softly, the tone was round. When played hard the overtone sets in, WOW!!! Trills feels fast. No regrets not buying.

Question. Perhaps the Singapore humidity have taken a toil on GPs here. Unless the owner invest in temp controlled room.

How long would a new GP last in our weather? I mean, if I bought a new GP and place it in my 4rm HDB room without climate control, how long would it last before the light-colour wood turns dark, spotted and rust sets in on the strings?


Well, the search continue....

Anyone has a Kawai or and good Grand for sale ??
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#83025 - 10/30/06 03:14 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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For a used grand on that sort of budget in Singapore, you should definitely give Mr. Kwan of Emmanuel & Sons a call. I got my piano there earlier this year. It is a beautiful instrument (25 years old) in beautiful condition, and the price was extremely reasonable.

It's a slightly odd looking place, and he has a changing selection of pianos of various ages and various states of repair (including some real curiosity pianos, such as an ancient Steinway Square Grand). However, his technicians seem to work with real care, and his prices are excellent.

The whole experience was very positive - he does not 'hard sell' (quite the opposite - he almost seems reluctant to part with his treasured collection), and he is very honest about his pianos and their condition and suitability. Obviously, he may not have a piano in stock that suits your needs, but if he does then I can't recommend him highly enough. Well worth checking out.
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#83026 - 10/30/06 04:00 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
juzzjazz Offline
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Registered: 10/19/06
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Loc: Singapore
Hi everybody,

I was in the process of piano buying when I came across this forum. Your discussions have always been interesting and helpful. Thought I'd come in and join in the fun as well.

I have been playing on and off for the past 15 years and now am really interested in starting up jazz piano. In all I've visited Robert Piano, Chiu Piano, Yamaha, new piano stores at Balmoral Plaza, Piano Man, Renner and a small store at Orchard Tower.

We finally went to Robert Piano and got a new Toyama upright over the weekend. I must say that of all the China made pianos, I am most pleased with Toyama's round, sweet and mellow tone as well as it's padded touch. The associates at Robert Piano were simply fantastic. I went to their Centerpoint & Millenia Walk showrooms and had a chance to chat with Mr. Robert Chiu, Ms. Edna, Mr. Tony and Mr Chiu's grandson Nick. They advised me to play on every single piano that they had. From their very old used Thompson all the way to their brand new Steinway grand. I spent a total 3.5 hours at their Millenia Walk showroom. It's really fun as Mr. Tony and Nick are such a fantastic jazz and classical piano players. They literally played every single piece I wanted them too :p We chatted just like old friends. What a wonderful service!!!!

My new piano will arrive in the next few days. My hubby hinted that we'll get a Steinway upright if I were to be able to play beautiful jazz pieces by next year \:D Wish me luck guys!

Btw artemov, how did you search go? Hope you'll find the piano that you like soon. Where will you be taking lesson?

Cheers!
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#83027 - 10/30/06 04:44 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Kelana

Wow, did you get the 4 strings treble blutner i saw few months back? Beautiful piano and craftman detail finishings....

Yes i "window-shop" there just last Sat. Yes it's a living museum. got barber chair, classical organ $300, 77string fukuyama ,piano, footpump organ, 70's electric yamaha piano(band type), harsicord ... I also saw strink wrap Yamaha U1,U2,U3. I think it's Japan imports. They are catching up... Quality are improving.
Chatted with Mr Kwan and he was replacing hammer for a Foster Grand ... amazing. Very sincere guy, look like Beethovan - the cheek bone!! Prices there are reasonable, of course.

Strange, what's with the low gate at the front of the shop? Didn't notice it 6months back?? Regulation? Someone ran off with a piano? Notice the sales lady always plays the 2chord "sound of silence" end off with a A-minor Appregio?? Well done!!hehehe ..... Actually i dream of having a sales/workshop like that! Would installing aircon be better + carpet?? Perhaps... nice to i don't mind the no-frills. That sort of keep cost donw and pass the saving to the customer - just my observations.

3.5 star award!
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#83028 - 10/30/06 04:59 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Hi again artemov,

I also like the Kawai K3 but decided not to get that as I'm saving up for one of the German pianos. With regards to your very first question about Kawai pricing in Singapore, you might want to go to Robert Piano and ask them to show you a book by Larry Fine. The fair price range of each piano brand is listed in the book, thus you can have a rough idea of how much new Kawai should cost. Personally I wouldn't consider the Indonesian made Yamaha, I've tried several of them, and feel that with the same price, few other Chinese pianos (non-Yamaha) have better touch and tone (more expressive and musical. But that could be a personal taste.

You mentioned that you wouldn't mind increasing your budget to get a good piano that will last. I'm not sure how much you are willing to pay but like wzkit say, you can never go wrong with a Kawai. My Kawai at my parents' home is older than I am but I still enjoy playing at it as it still produces beautiful sound and nice touch. For slightly over S$15k, you can get a very good Schimmel upright.

I used to consider buying Petrof but after trying, found that many of the Petrof uprights are quite inconsistent in touch and action. At times, many keys were stuck. They are also pretty heavy.

Hope you're having fun with your search. Do keep us updated of your search, decisio as well as your first music lesson. I'm sure you're going to have a blast playing the piano after waiting for so long \:\)

Cheers!
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#83029 - 10/30/06 05:41 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
artemov Offline
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Hi Juzzjazz,

Glad that you got your piano. Me? Still looking \:\(

I read somewhere that a jazzy piano has quite different characteristics from a piano suitable for classical music. Brighter? Shorter sustain?

Will probably pay Emmanuel & Sons a visit.
Might check out Petrof also.

Cheers.

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#83030 - 10/30/06 05:47 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Hi Juzzjazz,

Oops ... in that case will probably give Petrof a miss.

As a beginner, I think I will go for something more economical first. Either a Chinese, or a used piano. Any recommendation?

I will only upgrade when I finally achieve something. Like you I am also aiming for a German piano in the future, maybe a Sauter or an Ibach grand!! \:\)

Cheers

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#83031 - 10/30/06 07:37 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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hi juzzjazz,
great that you got a good piano. i believe mr chiu tune your piano himself.


hi snoopycar,
GB2 no fight with good uprights. if you topup another 1-3k, you'll get a better performing and new piano. not forgetting also good resale price which that GB2 will not have any in 10yrs time.

anyone tried perzina at sonata music house yet? read many good reviews at US. been a bit busy to cover many shops we got here nowadays.

also, who do we have as best tuners in town?

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#83032 - 10/30/06 08:38 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
juzzjazz Offline
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Loc: Singapore
Thanks for your message Mendo. I can't wait till they deliver it this week.

Artemov, it's good that you're taking your time finding the ideal piano. In fact if this is your first time buying, trying out as many pianos and reviewing them carefully is a must.

What you read about piano needed for jazz vs. classical is only true to a certain sense. Many authors of piano think that pianos like the Yamaha or some Baldwin and New York Steinways which produce metallic and rather brassy sound/tone are usually preferred by pop and jazz players. On the other hand, classical pianists tend to prefer the mellow and rounder tone with not so light action for their repertoires. Personally I do not agree with them. Whether one is playing classical pieces or standard jazz songs, I still like pianos that produce warm, mellow and round tone with expressive bass. So I hope you're not misguided and end up restricting yourself to "classical piano" vs. "jazzy piano" while shopping for yours. I agree with Mendo when he says that "no one knows what you would like best except yourself and that may take a while". Just play as much as you can and buy the one you really love. Even if you can't play now, just play the scales on all octaves to get the feel.

As for Chinese pianos, having tried the Pearl River 8 years ago, I swore off Chinese pianos until recently when I got a chance to play on Moutrie and Toyama. It's such a pleasant surprise and must say that I am very impressed with the quality of recent Chinese pianos. In fact Moutrie feels like a European piano \:\) If you're considering a Chinese piano, you certainly have got to try Moutrie and Toyama (both at Robert Piano), Schonbrunn (Chiu Piano), Steinberger & Soong??? something (Renner Piano), Nottingham and Knight pianos (PianoMan Shop). I simply love the Moutrie and Toyama; Schonbrunn and that Stein & Soong something seem ok and decent. I don't like Nottingham and Knight at all. But you've got to try them all for the sake of comparison and who knows you might like them yourself. Other Chinese pianos are Perzina and Wendl & Lung. Avoid Pearl River.

If you're getting a used piano, best to buy it from reputable dealers. If buying used from a private party, always hire an independent & experienced technician with you. Enjoy the fun!


Cheers!
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#83033 - 10/30/06 09:46 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
snoopycar Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by mendo:


hi snoopycar,
GB2 no fight with good uprights. if you topup another 1-3k, you'll get a better performing and new piano. not forgetting also good resale price which that GB2 will not have any in 10yrs time.

[/b]
Exactly what i was thinking!!

Yes, i have visited Perzina at the 5th level above Asia Piano... it has a 27xxxxx U1 and is sadly used as a "attention re-director". The sales will tell me ... you hear.. so bright.. you know, sales tactics or technique? i didn't reveal i'm having a U1 too and it doesn't sound that bad...

Anyway, 1 or 2 are nicely voiced. The rest has nice tenor, but treble breaks into a metalic sound abrubty !! The sales says it's nice. "old wong sell pumkin" ..sorry about being straight forword. Is reverse crown soundboard special?? I would norminate it as average. One of the nicest piano is the schimmel upright a Chiu piano, but it's $14,000.00!!! Phwah!!
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#83034 - 10/30/06 09:51 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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juzzjazz wrote:

"With regards to your very first question about Kawai pricing in Singapore, you might want to go to Robert Piano and ask them to show you a book by Larry Fine."
Why would you want a Singapore dealer to show you Larry Fine's book when it comes to pricing?

Fine's pricing numbers are useless outside the US, and unless you're buying Steinway, they can be off by anywhere between 15%~45% in the US.

Please disregard Larry Fine's prices when shopping outside the US.
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#83035 - 10/30/06 09:53 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
snoopycar Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by snoopycar:
[qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by mendo:
[qb]

hi snoopycar,
GB2 no fight with good uprights. if you topup another 1-3k, you'll get a better performing and new piano. not forgetting also good resale price which that GB2 will not have any in 10yrs time.

Exactly what i was thinking!!

Yes, i have visited Perzina at the 5th level above Asia Piano... it has a 27xxxxx U1 and is sadly used as a "attention re-director". The sales will tell me ... you hear.. so bright.. you know, sales tactics or technique? i didn't reveal i'm having a U1 too and it doesn't sound that bad...

Anyway, 1 or 2 are nicely voiced. The rest has nice tenor, but treble breaks into a metalic sound abrubty !! The sales says it's nice. "old wong sell pumkin" ..sorry about being straight forword. Is reverse crown soundboard special?? I would norminate it as average. One of the nicest piano is the schimmel upright a Chiu piano, but it's $14,000.00!!! Phwah!!

Another good GP to recommend Wilhelm Tell at Gramercy. The 5'8 is about $14,000. I can see the "engine" is very good. I mean the actions are clean, not shabby wooden shavings... soundboard looks very high standard, light grain colour! definately not laminate SB. if i got $$, i'd just might get a WT.
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#83036 - 10/30/06 10:34 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
juzzjazz Offline
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Indeed Snoopycar, I love that Schimmel upright down at Chiu piano \:D Did you get a chance to try out the Perzina? How was it?

Axtremus:

Thanks for pointing that out, while I wouldn't want to mislead anybody, I won't disregard Larry Fine's pricing while shopping outside the US. Though prices in the book are indeed for pianos in the US market, based on my shopping experience, I have to disagree that it applies only in the case of Steinway. For example, the prices quoted to me by Schimmel dealers in San Francisco and Boston are very close or not too far off with the one quoted by 2 dealers in Singapore (quoted in S$). That goes the same for Petrof piano prices in San Francisco and Indonesia (Indonesian Rp) and Young Chang baby grand pianos in Minneapolis and Bangkok (Thai Baht). Those price points fall nicely in between Larry Fine's quotation.

Moreover, I didn't say one has to take Fine's number on the dot, but it's going to be useful to get an idea of price range so as to know whether one is way off or not. Hope this is not confusing \:\)
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#83037 - 10/30/06 06:19 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
mendo Offline
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hi all,

i used a copy of larry fine at kino****** for reference. hee hee, i got a bit of photographic memory. i couldn't get one from nlb.

the figures are good for me....and i don't even have to multiply 1.57! that only works for japanese pianos. so, a very good reference.

as for european pianos, it shows that the prices in singapore is downright absurb! that's why i stay away from these over here. unless is a collector's item or something very far more in value why would most general people pay almost twice the price or even more. these pianos eventually breaks down at the same rate as higher range japanese pianos imho.


hi snoopycar,

for the $14k model you saw, which one exactly is it? i wanna confirm something on pricing before i shoot off!

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#83038 - 10/30/06 06:39 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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 Quote:
Originally posted by juzzjazz:
Indeed Snoopycar, I love that Schimmel upright down at Chiu piano \:D Did you get a chance to try out the Perzina? How was it?

Axtremus:

Thanks for pointing that out, while I wouldn't want to mislead anybody, I won't disregard Larry Fine's pricing while shopping outside the US. Though prices in the book are indeed for pianos in the US market, based on my shopping experience, I have to disagree that it applies only in the case of Steinway. For example, the prices quoted to me by Schimmel dealers in San Francisco and Boston are very close or not too far off with the one quoted by 2 dealers in Singapore (quoted in S$). That goes the same for Petrof piano prices in San Francisco and Indonesia (Indonesian Rp) and Young Chang baby grand pianos in Minneapolis and Bangkok (Thai Baht). Those price points fall nicely in between Larry Fine's quotation.

Moreover, I didn't say one has to take Fine's number on the dot, but it's going to be useful to get an idea of price range so as to know whether one is way off or not. Hope this is not confusing \:\) [/b]
Hmmm, my experience around the cornor from you is quite a bit different when I compare Fine's price to piano prices in Bangkok. One good thing is that Yamaha and Kawai are consistantly cheaper than in the US by quite a good margin. Steinway retail price is almost double whereas Fazioli is almost identical.
Other European brands fall somewhere around 10-50% more than in Fine's book.

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#83039 - 10/30/06 06:53 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Hi Mendo, it's not an exact price as i was there last dec browsing and buying some music book. I just try out the china(budget) ones and chit with mr Chiu about imports piano. He kind of discourage it as the "conditioning" ain't right for local.... At that time, i wasn't really taking notes of what model it was as i just happen to be comparing around - not so educated yet, you know what i mean? don't shot me...
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#83040 - 10/31/06 03:34 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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hi snoopycar,

i'm not shooting you. just the thought a price quoted to me was for a model i've seen recently at that shop was actually quoted to you at a substantial discount??!! well, you said that was in december.

so it must be a schimmel 120i that you've seen.
;\)

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#83041 - 10/31/06 03:49 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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\:D hehehe , at that moment, any thing black sounds nice..

I wonder, so far, does my frank commentary hurt any shops? if so, i apologize.. :p
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#83042 - 10/31/06 06:23 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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well, as long everyone keeps their comments constructive and true, everyone is entitled to their opinion, humbly or not.

i believe this is what most people including myself to come into a forum like this to get real individual experiences which otherwise would be quite difficult to get while we are shopping or discussing pianos.

people at a few shops i met stated that not everything in any forum, including this, are truth. and they are correct on this. so take it with a pinch of salt.

some may be quick to fault the dealers or manufacturers when some minor faults are present when really certain things take time to settle. or they simply don't take good care of a piano when they should. acoustic at your home plays an even more important part on the sound of your piano immediately, while in short term, humidity creates havoc, your piano sound gets better, on longer term, it's the piano player itself!

others could be just directing forummers attention to certain models for individual, commercial or personal benefits or even satisfaction or maybe even grudges. well, that's life. in many car forums if someone come in and ask what car to buy, an audi lover will say his or her audi is the best that he or she has driven. this could be only that person is driving only audi all this while. that's how many car clubs got started and each thinks their cars are the prized ones.

one comment about bad reviews or feedbacks on one model could be just a lemon out of hundreds or thousand this manufacturer could have sold.
one comment like this makes many people stay away from this model and nobody including buyers gain from this.

and one important thing is sometime it is how the dealers at your local area prep the pianos for your playing. this is especially true is singapore. all the pianos are not 100% factory prep. i've heard many same models at different shops giving different responses to me. any good tuner or technician could prep your purchase unit into something better that what you heard at the showroom. i've got a friend whose oriental model prep by a master technician until it sounds even better than a 48in schimmel!

by filtering all the noises from these threads you can really get useful information and that's how i got to know many other wonderful pianos that i've never heard of. till today i'm still enjoying going around listening for the perfect one, which i know doesn't exist, but getting closer....

like many photographers will say, it's the person behind the camera that produces a great picture, not the camera. \:\)

i also add, not all great photographers use the same or very expensive tools.

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#83043 - 11/06/06 04:46 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Wow, seems so quiet.. is it due to the return of the haze?? hehehe

Any update on the Singapore Piano scene?
-The White Wilem Tell Empire190 is delicious..... voicing is very even, very sweet tone -lid closed. Bohemia128 very romantic
-Piano warehouse at Bk Bt is quiet...
-private 2nd piano seller, i've seen 2 with broken stings... 1 with 2 broken sting!! rusty tuning pins...

Have anyone been to the piano shop at ind park 2? The display sets were locked out - ahh to prevent kid from banging the keyboard as i was told. You want to test? wait ah, i'll get the key for you... but ah huh.. there were 2 korea grands there. They have expanded the teaching studio. Remember to remove your shoes before you enter - 1st Piano shop with shoeless entry!! way to go!!
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#83044 - 11/09/06 06:22 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Ah! I just found this thread. I'm a newbie on these forums; posted a question about Kawai's use of synthetics in their action. I was looking for a second-hand upright within a budget of $5K, but after playing on a Yamaha YUS5 and today on a Kawai K8, I'm leaning towards doubling+ my budget for a new K8. Robert Piano @ Millenia Walk said that they'll check with Mr Chiu to see what kind of deal they can offer me on the K8.

A Sauter would be nice, but I can't justify the $$$ for an attempt to resume playing after 23 years away from the piano.

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#83045 - 11/09/06 07:11 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Have you considered the K-6, K-5, or even K-3?
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#83046 - 11/09/06 07:32 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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great to hear kawai k8 is in town. must go and try! how was it? i only managed to try on the k3 sometime back.

kawai and i believe yamaha too, have been using plastic actions since many years ago. saw a few 2nd units between 8 - 15yrs old using them and they still look good and work.

so i think durability is not a problem with plastics. in fact hi performance plastics are miles ahead in technical aspects compare to wood including spruce or mahogany, from my study in engineering. higher tensile strength, no warping, lesser porosity, more consistent physical properties etc.

the newer models, also with better improved plastics are even more responsive on the actions.
however, i think plastics is not the only factor that determine the better actions.

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#83047 - 11/09/06 10:50 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Originally posted by Mountain Ash:
Have you considered the K-6, K-5, or even K-3? [/b]
Yes, I have. I played on the K3 and K6, and then the K8. The action is identical in all three, but the sound of the K8 and its genuine sostenuto pedal win hands down.

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#83048 - 11/09/06 12:19 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Originally posted by mendo:
great to hear kawai k8 is in town. must go and try! how was it? i only managed to try on the k3 sometime back.
[/b]
I really like the K8, which is why I've held back on buying the second-hand BS-3A that I found. I'm now waiting for Robert Piano to get back to me with a price. Mr Chiu is presently out of the country.

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#83049 - 11/09/06 08:20 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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i've tried the k3 and didn't like the sound at all even though the action is a level better.

the older k series like k30,k50,k60 and k80 sounds very good. i've only compared the k3 and k25 / k30. have you tried these older models and compare them with the new series?

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#83050 - 11/09/06 09:31 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Originally posted by mendo:
i've tried the k3 and didn't like the sound at all even though the action is a level better.

the older k series like k30,k50,k60 and k80 sounds very good. i've only compared the k3 and k25 / k30. have you tried these older models and compare them with the new series? [/b]
I'm going back to Robert Piano at Millenia Walk after I send this reply, to play some more on the Kawais. Maybe they have a K80 there. I'll be bringing along some music that I fished out from storage - I hope that the people in the showroom have good ear plugs!

My recollection of the K-3 from a couple of days ago was not positive. It sounded 'strangled'. And you'd expect there to be differences between the K-3 and the K-6 and K-8. The latter two have agraffes, duplex scales, tone release ports, and underfelted hammers. The K-6 and K-8 are also 132cm tall whereas the K-3 measures in at 122cm.

I'm also going to have a go at the Shigeru Kawai SK3. No I can't afford it, and no I don't really have space for it in my flat, but.... Aargh!

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