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#830824 01/29/05 03:39 AM
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Are you asking me?

The Acts of Apostles quotes that you mention are totally irrelevent. They only say that the blood of the sacrificed animals (to te eidolothyton kai to aima) is to be avoided. The ratio is, Christians shouldn't participate in pagan rituals and sacrifices. What does this have to do with blood donations? Or did you just read the word blood and assumed the rest? That's so clever of you, really...!!!

PS. I don't know what your exact edition of the New Testament says, I read from the Greek prototype edition.
The Orthodox Church (and to my knowledge all other Churches) are not supporting this ridiculous view of yours either.

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I've never given blood, but I would like to. A few questions though:

1. Can you give blood if you are on diuretics for blood pessure control?

2. Is there an obvious affect on cardio performance beyond a day or so of giving?

3. How frequently can you give?

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#830826 01/29/05 09:18 AM
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1) dunno

2) you feel a little woosy for a couple hours

3) i think every 2-3 weeks, im not sure though

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NY1911:
1) you'd have to ask, but there shouldn't be a problem. The question won't be about the anti-hypertensives, but about the condition causing hypertension. Ask though, you might be pleasantly surprised.

2) little affect on cardio performance. You have between 5-6 liters of blood... you'll be giving one pint.
3) you can give every 16 weeks I believe (3 times a year).

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The Orthodox Church (and to my knowledge all other Churches) are not supporting this ridiculous view of yours either.
I can't speak for the other Churches, but this sort of literal Biblical interpretation certainly goes against the Early Church Fathers, and Orthodoxy.

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I used to donate. Is anyone asked to donate because of a rare blood type. I can't donate anymore because some psoriasis creams contain cortisone.I think anyone can donate platelets.


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I've never given blood, but I would like to. A few questions though:

1. Can you give blood if you are on diuretics for blood pessure control?

2. Is there an obvious affect on cardio performance beyond a day or so of giving?

3. How frequently can you give?

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http://www.redcross.org/services/biomed/0,1082,0_557_,00.html


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#830830 01/29/05 04:34 PM
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I donate blood regularly. Lately, I've been doing the "double red" procedure, so I'm giving 2 units at a time. Of course, this restricts the amount of times a year I can give blood (2x as opposed to 4).

And at my uni, they feed you well - pizza, Subway sandwiches, and the usual assortment of Little Debbie snack cakes, super sugary soft drinks, etc. They take pride in being the HBCU with the highest blood donation rate, so of course, they will lure students, faculty and staff with lots of good food once they're done with the donation.


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I can't speak for the other Churches, but this sort of literal Biblical interpretation certainly goes against the Early Church Fathers, and Orthodoxy.
I believe the Jehovahs Witnesses don't donate blood, because they literally interpret "abstain from blood" to mean that you should not receive blood transfusions, it is against God's wishes. And why would you ever give blood if you are commanded not to receive it?

God likely commanded the Israelites to abstain from blood because it contained untold disease. In modern society we may test blood, but you know what, testing is fallable (as our Houston Police Department crime lab well knows) and people are poisoned with blood from time to time. And you never know when the next disease like AIDS will come along which we won't know about until it's too late...

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I used to donate. Is anyone asked to donate because of a rare blood type.
I donated a lot because I have the Universal O type of blood. In the army I donated a lot of times and they gave me, each time, an insurance for blood (if needed in surgery - unlimited and free suplly) for all my family. On the other hand, I can't stand the blood tests so... I don't do them...

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I'd rather you donate than someone who was in a 3rd world country recently.

I don't understand why they wouldn't let you personally donate, but I understand the principle. Gay men aren't the only promiscuous demographic though, and the rules should probably be changed.
It is not that they didn't let me donate.
I read the rules so I just never showed up.

You said gay men are not the only promiscuous demographic.
Certainly true.
But I think demographic is the wrong word here.
It unfairly lumps together gay with promuscuity.

People in the old demographic are old.
People in the demographic with masters degrees have masters degrees.
People in the low-income demographic have low income.
That's it.

My partner and I are monogomous.
I know others.
Such generalizations about groups of people are not cool.

And in the same breath I'll say that I don't look down on *single* promiscuous people, gay or straight.
Different strokes for different folks, so to speak.
Now if they are cheating on a partner - not good.

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Originally posted by ChemicalGrl:
I donate blood regularly. Lately, I've been doing the "double red" procedure, so I'm giving 2 units at a time. Of course, this restricts the amount of times a year I can give blood (2x as opposed to 4).

wow - I lose a pint and feel loopy. How do you do it?


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wow - I lose a pint and feel loopy. How do you do it?
First of all, I schedule the earliest time possible (which, at my uni, is 11.00am, generally). I also ensure I drink plenty of fluids (my current diet has me drinking half my body weight in ounces), and am usually drinking water during the blood donation as well. With the double red procedure, in between pints, they put saline back into you, so it gets really cold - room temperature (25 °C) saline feels awfully frigid (physiological temps 37 °C) so I also ask for a blanket before the procedure.

And for afterward, I just tell the people at the canteen that I've done double red, and they will feed me extremely well. smile

I'm usually okay after spending ca. 20 minutes in the canteen. I also try not to schedule any heavy lab work on days I donate blood.

And then, I spend the next few days living on liver and spinach.


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thumb Thanks apple...that answered all of my questions... heart
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Originally posted by ny1911:
[b] I've never given blood, but I would like to. A few questions though:

1. Can you give blood if you are on diuretics for blood pessure control?

2. Is there an obvious affect on cardio performance beyond a day or so of giving?

3. How frequently can you give?

Thanks...
http://www.redcross.org/services/biomed/0,1082,0_557_,00.html [/b]


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Thanks for that link. I've always wanted to give, but couldn't because of my weight. Now I know.


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That link was great! They've changed some of the guidelines since I last donated, and it looks like as long as my heart isn't doing anything odd the day of the donation, I should be fine! I'll have to look into where I can go to donate here. Thanks!

Edited to say that I wasn't even thinking about the fact that the Red Cross no longer handles blood donation in Canada. If you're in Canada, you may want to check out http://www.bloodservices.ca/CentreA...FADC1DB580085256AB00055CD1F?OpenDocument


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while we are talking blood..don't forget the wonderful opportunity to really make a difference by joining the bone marrow registry... as well as specifying that you will donate organs.

Sometimes there are drives that will cover the costs of the tests for the bone marrow typing.


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Thanks for this thread! I looked into my local clinic, and plan to go donate on Tuesday providing I don't get the cold my son has right now.

I've also filled out the forms for the bone marrow registry.


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I can't donate because I've been to a third world country recently -- they say you have to wait 5 years after exposure to certain high risk areas (malaria, dengue fever, etc).
Hmm, I wasn't aware of that. Based on that criterion, I may never be able to donate blood again.

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Genesis 9:4
Leviticus 17:12-14
Acts 15:29
Acts 21:25


Are you going against God?
Genesis 9:4 - "But flesh with the life therof, the blood thereof, shall ye not eat." You can't eat/drink blood. It is not kosher. Blood transfusions are not eating/drinking.

Leviticus 17:12 - "No soul of you must eat blood and no alien resident who is residing as an alien in your midst should eat blood." Blood is not kosher. Do not drink it. Not just we, but others too must not drink it. Blood transfusions are not considered drinking.

Acts 15:29 - "You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell" Do not eat sacrificed food. Do not eat meat that was acquired through suffering or immoral acts. Again, no mention of blood transfusions (although it might mean that blood from gay men - is this immoral? that's another discussion - should not be exchanged)

Acts 21:25 - "As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” Not just us, but everybody should abstain from cannibalism and food that was acquired through suffering or immoral acts. No mention or relevance to blood transfusions.


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