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#830923 - 11/09/04 03:04 PM Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
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According to the www.cnn.com headlines, John Ashcroft and Don Evans have resigned. I wonder if this will be put into effect now, or when Bush starts his new term?

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#830924 - 11/09/04 03:18 PM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
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Not now. Ashcroft tendered his resignation last week, for example. I think it'll become effective when his replacement is chosen.
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#830925 - 11/09/04 03:35 PM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
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YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY!!!!!!!!!

One down, one to go.

(I've never liked Ashcroft, and I want Rumsfeld gone, too!)
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#830926 - 11/09/04 03:43 PM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
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The Democrats in Missouri were quite elated when Carnahan's wife was appointed in her husband's place and Ashcroft, who had been winning prior to the crash and who didn't contest the illegal appointment, lost. What's that about being careful what you wish for? \:D
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#830927 - 11/09/04 04:18 PM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
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I'm originally from Missouri. \:D
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#830928 - 11/09/04 05:06 PM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
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John McCain, on Leno last week, recommended Joe Lieberman for Attorney General. Like that will ever happen. He did say that he hadn't mentioned it to the President yet.

There are rumors that Bush is going to appoint a Democrat to the Cabinet, though. Exactly where can you put Zell Miller?
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#830929 - 11/09/04 08:11 PM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
Jolly Offline
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Zell's not going.

My prediction for AJ is Rudy.

Commerce? Who cares?
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#830930 - 11/09/04 09:53 PM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
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Giuliani I can deal with. But can the Biblicists who now think they run the GOP accept a moderate republican who supports the right to choose and gay unions?

The AG was the bone thrown to them in 2000 and is perhaps the most important position in terms of the Biblicists desire to impose their morality on the majority of the country. No other position can influence such issues like the AG. I doubt the Biblicists are going to be happy with anyone other than one of their own, again.
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#830931 - 11/09/04 10:04 PM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
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John Andrew for Attorney General!!


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#830932 - 11/09/04 10:06 PM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
Larry Offline
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John, if you can't write a post without injecting a disgusting dig every other sentence, just shut up. Geez, I'm getting sick of you.
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#830933 - 11/09/04 10:36 PM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
Steve Miller Offline
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Are you gonna answer the question, Larry?

Or would you rather dodge it and attack JA once again?
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#830934 - 11/09/04 10:54 PM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
Larry Offline
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But can the Biblicists who now think they run the GOP....? [/b]

This is the only question I see. A nasty crack made at Christians by a shallow man who hides behind a fake claim of being one himself while in reality despising them. When John starts his questions off with this kind of crap, and he *Always* does - he isn't worth answering. I'm sick of his snide swipes and dishonest engagement. When he phrases the question in a manner worth responding, I will respond. Until that time I will tell him exactly what I think of his methods.

That is not a dodge, and it isn't an attack. It's a come to Jesus meeting - it's time for John to drop the slimeball tactics and discuss things in a proper manner instead of always spewing this same old **** every time he posts. Most people are trying to move on passed the political mean spiritedness. John needs to as well.
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#830935 - 11/09/04 11:03 PM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
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I'll take that as a "no".
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#830936 - 11/09/04 11:05 PM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
Larry Offline
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Take it ever how you want to.
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#830937 - 11/10/04 05:12 AM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
Tom--K Offline
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Registered: 12/27/03
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 Quote:
Originally posted by John Andrew:
But can the Biblicists who now think they run the GOP accept a moderate republican who supports the right to choose and gay unions?
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No one wants gay unions. I think the referendums in the last election made that pretty clear. The voice of the people has spoken loud and strong and it's up the magistrates to obey. \:\)

What's wrong with that?

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#830938 - 11/10/04 05:40 AM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
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Loc: Northern Virginia
I dont support anyone who is pro-abortion.

I dont support anyone who wants federal and/or special recognition of any relationship other than a man + woman.

Sometimes it comes down to picking the best candidate, realistically. I dont agree with everything Bush stands for, but he is by far the candidate closest to my beliefs that actually has a chance at winning.

I do support Larry's position on not answering a looney and liberal looney.
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#830939 - 11/10/04 05:49 AM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
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I agree with Larry & The 89h Key. To the victors belong the spoils. It's up to Bush to satisfy the demographic(s) that got him elected. If that is primarily Christians, or other people of religion, than so be it. I'm sick of listening to people who cant take the fact that their liberalism was soundly defeated by the American electorate. This is a conservative country. Deal with it.

P.S. NO on Arlen Specter as Judiciary Chair!!!!
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#830940 - 11/10/04 06:16 AM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
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With regard to Giuliani for AG:

"Former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani of New York City was mentioned by some as a possible successor, but his spokeswoman, Sunny Mindel, said Tuesday night that he was not interested in the job."
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#830941 - 11/10/04 06:26 AM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Jerry Luke:
To the victors belong the spoils. It's up to Bush to satisfy the demographic(s) that got him elected. If that is primarily Christians, or other people of religion, than so be it. [/b]
If Kerry won the AG would be some guy to the left of Michael Moore.

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#830942 - 11/10/04 06:29 AM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
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Heck, it might be Michael Moore.

His efforts would deserve some compensation, you know.
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#830943 - 11/10/04 06:44 AM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
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"Left Behind"

the movie of Michael Moore's asspirations
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#830944 - 11/10/04 06:59 AM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
Tom--K Offline
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Registered: 12/27/03
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Originally posted by liesle+:
"Left Behind"

the movie of Michael Moore's asspirations [/b]
MM has a pretty big "asspiration" in his "Right Behind," too. \:D

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#830945 - 11/10/04 09:05 AM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
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Registered: 05/24/03
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Larry:
But can the Biblicists who now think they run the GOP....? [/b]

This is the only question I see. A nasty crack made at Christians by a shallow man who hides behind a fake claim of being one himself while in reality despising them. When John starts his questions off with this kind of crap, and he *Always* does - he isn't worth answering. I'm sick of his snide swipes and dishonest engagement. When he phrases the question in a manner worth responding, I will respond. Until that time I will tell him exactly what I think of his methods.

That is not a dodge, and it isn't an attack. It's a come to Jesus meeting - it's time for John to drop the slimeball tactics and discuss things in a proper manner instead of always spewing this same old **** every time he posts. Most people are trying to move on passed the political mean spiritedness. John needs to as well. [/b]
My goodness Larry. Such venom!

It reminds me of the reaction Al Quaeda leaders have towards moderate Muslims who reject the use of the Koran to justify extremist views.

By the way....

Dr. Dobson, Mr. Reed. Rev. Fallwell, Rev Robertson and many other Biblicist leaders are claiming their groups are the reason Mr. Bush was reelected and they expect to extract their pound of flesh.

Perhaps the following explains the real feelings of the Biblicists and why it is clear to many of us they will NOT accept anyone but those with their own narrow ideology in positions which can impose this ideology on a pluralistic society.

Note the tag line to the headline.

From the LA Times:

Christian Conservatives Must Not Compromise[/b]
Voters reject liberalism, an evil ideology.
By Frank Pastore, Former major league pitcher Frank Pastore is the afternoon host on the Christian talk-radio station KKLA, 99.5 FM.

Christians, in politics as in evangelism, are not against people or the world. But we are against false ideas that hold good people captive. On Tuesday, this nation rejected liberalism, primarily because liberalism has been taken captive by the left. Since 1968, the left has taken millions captive, and we must help those Democrats who truly want to be free to actually break free of this evil ideology.

In the weeks and months to come, we will hear the voices of well-meaning people beseeching the victor to compromise with the vanquished. This would be a mistake. Conservatives must not compromise with the left. Good people holding false ideas are won over only if we defeat what is false with the truth.

The left must be defeated in the realm of ideas, just as it was on Tuesday at the ballot box. The left hates the ballot box and loves its courtrooms, which is why it hopes to continue to advance its agenda through the courts. This must end.

The left bewitches with its potions and elixirs, served daily in its strongholds of academe, Hollywood and old media. It vomits upon the morals, values and traditions we hold sacred: God, family and country. As we learned Tuesday, it is clear the left holds the majority of Americans, the majority of us, in contempt.

Simply, a majority of Americans have rejected John Kerry and John Edwards and the left because they are wrong. They are wrong because there are not two Americas. We are one nation under a God they reject. We remain indivisible despite their attempts to divide Americans through their relentless warfare against class, ethnic and religious unity.

We still believe that liberty and justice is for all. In 1946, there were those on the left who believed the Germans and the Japanese were incapable of democracy and liberty. Today, many doubt democracy can be birthed in Iraq or Afghanistan. Like their forebears, they too will be proved wrong.

The nation has now resoundingly rejected the left and its agenda. We do not want to become European. We do not want to become socialist. We do not want to become secular. We are exceptional. We are unique. And we are the greatest force for good in the world, despite what the left, the terrorists or the United Nations may claim. It is for these reasons that we remain the last great hope in the world for freedom.

We continue to be that shining city set on a hill. And we fully accept the responsibility; we are proud to be the envy of the world.
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#830946 - 11/10/04 10:05 AM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
Jolly Offline
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The nation has now resoundingly rejected the left and its agenda. We do not want to become European. We do not want to become socialist. We do not want to become secular. We are exceptional. We are unique. And we are the greatest force for good in the world, despite what the left, the terrorists or the United Nations may claim. It is for these reasons that we remain the last great hope in the world for freedom.

We continue to be that shining city set on a hill. And we fully accept the responsibility; we are proud to be the envy of the world.
Absolutely!
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#830947 - 11/10/04 10:11 AM Re: Ashcroft and Evans have resigned?
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When Mel Carnahan was killed in plane crash he was running against John Ashcroft for the Missouri governorship. Mel's wife just a short time before the elections ran in his place and John, simply stopped campaigning, saying something to the effect that he could never speak ill of the dead.. essentially giving the post away. It was so noble.
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