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#83171 - 11/27/06 10:57 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Originally posted by Wzkit:
I just saw 2 K-8s over the weekend at Parkway Parade sostenuto pedal, side by side with a K-8 without the sostenuto. According to the salesguy, the price difference is about S$500. I preferred the tone of the unit without the sostenuto. For most of us, I think the practice pedal is more useful [/b]
I agree. That's why I didn't make a fuss when I found out that the piano came with the practice pedal instead of sostenuto.

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#83172 - 11/27/06 11:04 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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That's what i thought at first. But the interesting point is we can have both, Sustenuto and practice "level" (felt gantry).

Wzkit, how's your piano sound in the room? If too boomy or reflective, you can try to add a mattress(Dolby noise reduction) behind the piano like me.... \:\)

Steinway B .. USD 100,000 ... huh....(jaw dropped, cross eye) wonderful price indeed. is there a diamond hidden inside the soundboard? hehehe
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#83173 - 11/28/06 09:52 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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I used acoustic treatment for my room from Alphacoustics.com. Not too loud..in fact, I can go much softer than when I had my old upright!
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#83174 - 11/28/06 10:10 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Wow that's amazing. I'm still worried at times when i'll get bamboo knocking from the floor below....

Digitus, how's the "running in"? guess you'll be taking it easy....
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#83175 - 11/28/06 11:59 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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 Quote:
Originally posted by snoopycar:
Wow that's amazing. I'm still worried at times when i'll get bamboo knocking from the floor below....

Digitus, how's the "running in"? guess you'll be taking it easy.... [/b]
I had about 1 hour last night, and about 5 hours today! Unfortunately the "running in" will take time because of my travel load. My next trip is to Frankfurt for tonight (if I can get a seat), to attend a meeting on Friday. Back on Saturday, then off to Beijing on Monday. Sigh.

Already the piano needs work. A few strings are buzzing slightly, and a couple of keys are sticking a little. I'll call the tech in for week after next when I'm back from Beijing. :p

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#83176 - 11/28/06 07:20 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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phew-u-weee, super globe trotter!! i'm sure you know all the aircrew by name.. "oh it's you again, mr Digitus. Welcome onboard SQ888 \:\) "

Buzzing sound, sure it's not the "hamberger flouresent" light at the ceiling vibrating in unison? oh sticky key... humidity change - minute wood expansion thingy, i assume it's normal - stuck key is another thing. surely the technician can fix it, just bear with it for a while.
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#83177 - 11/28/06 10:24 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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 Quote:
Originally posted by snoopycar:
phew-u-weee, super globe trotter!! i'm sure you know all the aircrew by name.. "oh it's you again, mr Digitus. Welcome onboard SQ888 \:\) "

Buzzing sound, sure it's not the "hamberger flouresent" light at the ceiling vibrating in unison? oh sticky key... humidity change - minute wood expansion thingy, i assume it's normal - stuck key is another thing. surely the technician can fix it, just bear with it for a while. [/b]
No its not sympathetic vibrations from something else :p . The sticky (not stuck) keys are only slightly sticky - I feel it mostly when I am playing pianissimo.

And yes, some aircrew actually recognize me. NOT a good sign.

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#83178 - 11/29/06 01:26 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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 Quote:
Originally posted by snoopycar:
Wzkit, how's your piano sound in the room? If too boomy or reflective, you can try to add a mattress(Dolby noise reduction) behind the piano like me.... \:\)
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His piano sounds very nice in his room. \:D
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#83179 - 11/29/06 02:10 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Kenneth..you got that right! The bass sounds even deeper now, after the second tuning!
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#83180 - 11/29/06 03:39 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Hi guys,

Can do you elaborate what is deep bass?
What do you do with it? Play melody lines, alternating bass accompaniments...? something like, muddy vs clear, thin vs thurdering?

hmmm, this seem to be a new area of knowledge i'm lacking... teach leh,can? \:\)
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#83181 - 11/29/06 07:00 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Deep = lots of resonance, richness and fullness. But also clear and growling at the same time. Sort of like warm and clear.
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#83182 - 11/30/06 06:24 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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 Quote:
Originally posted by snoopycar:
Hi guys,

Can do you elaborate what is deep bass?
What do you do with it? Play melody lines, alternating bass accompaniments...? something like, muddy vs clear, thin vs thurdering?

hmmm, this seem to be a new area of knowledge i'm lacking... teach leh,can? \:\) [/b]
See the section titled 'Inharmonicity and piano size' in piano acoustics . Larger pianos have longer, lighter and less stiff bass strings. This allows more of the fundamental to sound, and the harmonics are also closer to what they should be. These result in bass notes that sound deeper and cleaner. (Much also depends on the quality of the soundboard and overall scale design of course.)

This is one reason why grands are generally preferred over uprights. However a good tall upright can often be better than a mediocre babygrand.

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#83183 - 11/30/06 06:03 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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"However a good tall upright can often be better than a mediocre babygrand."

i agree, and some even better mid length grand.
try older 130cm yamaha with the x backpost and you'll know what "deep bass" is. these x series are quite rare over here and i had a chance to try one u3x before it disappeared from the shop a few days later, SOLD! it sound better that the yus, u5 or k80 that i've tried.

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#83184 - 11/30/06 08:58 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Mendo,
I used to own a Yamaha WX-5 (131cm), before I purchased my Sauter. While the bass is respectable, and while it is a far better piano than current production U5s or YUS-5s, its bass is still not comparable to even the shorter models by German makes. Therefore, while a good piano, I would still not classify in the "elite" category of uprights that I would choose over a small grand, as the

However, if you were talking about a quality German upright, vs a small grand piano, then the choice may not be so clear. The Sauter uprights for example have a depth and richness of the bass that exceeds that of a Yamaha C1, C2 and possibly even C3. Even the 122 cm models. And I don't just mean loudness, but actual resonance and depth of sound. It really has to be heard to be believed. On the other hand, I generally preferred the action of grand pianos, even the cheaper ones. Yamaha and Kawai grands have one of the most comfortable actions in the business, and some of the better Chinese makes (Hailun comes to mind) are very respectable too. So in such a case, it is all about trade-offs, and deciding which is more important to you.

Btw, for those on a tight budget but wanting a grand, I would strongly recommend looking at the new Chinese grands such as Wilhelm Tell and Hailun. The latter, in particular, has an impressive bass. The only big unknown here is durability.
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#83185 - 12/03/06 02:54 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Hi guys, i'm back online - after kenna attack by spyware... manage to reinstall my XP. now i use the free cyber defender as countermeasure....

Wow, so much to learn about bass section of a piano.. my old K8 seem to have a deeper bass(more ummuh) that the U1A. .... more flexible or responsive sound board? not sure....

Thanks for all the infos.

Where else sells a ~$8000 good grand?? go lobang, inform me ok? Jeepoon one.
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#83186 - 12/03/06 06:06 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Snoopy: better bass usually equals better design, and better materials.
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#83187 - 12/04/06 10:25 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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#83188 - 12/07/06 01:15 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Hi guys, what's happening ??? so quiet??
Right now, my project is learning the "le coucou".
Very tickling piece. 5 days have passed and still haven't master it..... don't be disappointed at my playing level. \:\)
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#83189 - 12/13/06 03:59 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Wow so quiet, everyone here at the red-dot is busy practising for a recite??

Hi guys, i went down to Cristofori bedok the other day for a browsing session. The sales guys were very friendly and let me try their piano range. 1 particular brand really strikes me. It's the Hoffman - design by C becstein and made in Cz. The tone dynamics and tone substance is remarkably good. If you guys are free, just drop down to check-it-out and hear if my findings correlate with yours. The price is 8.9k!! But to me, the price corresponse with the increase playing pleasure you get out of it.

happy playing
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#83190 - 12/17/06 08:29 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Just came back from Robert Piano. Just got a K18E from them at the advertised promotional price ... It is the cheapest Kawai but sound good at their showroom. There goes my year end bonus ....

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#83191 - 12/17/06 08:50 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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 Quote:
Originally posted by okman:
Just came back from Robert Piano. Just got a K18E from them at the advertised promotional price ... It is the cheapest Kawai but sound good at their showroom. There goes my year end bonus .... [/b]
Ah, welcome to PW and the ever-growing SG thread! I know what you mean about the bonus. Mine's gone too! At least its for a good cause. ;\)

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#83192 - 12/17/06 06:54 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Hello okman, welcome to Sg thread. feel free to discuss anything here ......

Where did you get the K18 from?
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#83193 - 12/17/06 07:02 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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artemov, I don't know if the last 9 pages were helpful at all, but best of luck in your endeavor to learn the piano, and even more difficult, to find an appropriate instrument!

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#83194 - 12/17/06 08:12 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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 Quote:
Originally posted by snoopycar:
Hello okman, welcome to Sg thread. feel free to discuss anything here ......

Where did you get the K18 from? [/b]
The K18E is made in Japan. Also heard the test play on the Moutrie and Toyama at Robert Piano, sound not as vibrant as Kawai K18E. Since Kawai is cheaper than but comparable to Yamaha and K18 was on promotion, we decide to go for it. Expensive decision but hope the right one.

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#83195 - 12/18/06 12:09 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Hi all,

Just back from Oz after 2 weeks. Loved the weather there \:\)

Now back to piano searching! Can't wait to spend my bonus!

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#83196 - 12/18/06 02:50 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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 Quote:
Originally posted by artemov:
Hi all,

Just back from Oz after 2 weeks. Loved the weather there \:\)

Now back to piano searching! Can't wait to spend my bonus! [/b]
Wah !!!
go bluemountain to look-see-look-see..... \:D

Piano shopping happen to be my hobby..
You can cheo me anytime if you need someone to help you choose a good piano.
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#83197 - 12/18/06 08:57 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Excuse me, I almost feel like I'm intruding, but I've sort of followed the 9 pages of converstation here and haven't noticed anyone initiating a piano gathering! I'm intrigued by so many members from Singapore gathering into one thread. It's wonderful!!

Surely you'll all be planning a get-together sometime soon??!! Or, maybe a piano store would be interested in hosting a gathering. What a great way for all of you to meet one another in person!!

ok, sorry for the interruption....

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#83198 - 12/18/06 10:03 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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hehehe... the idea is good
who's house ???
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#83199 - 12/18/06 11:33 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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TerryTunes, please don't take your post as an intrusion! You (and anyone else) is very welcome. Singaporeans are a friendly lot, but with a sense of humour and a way with the English language that is ummm different. \:D

A get-together is an interesting idea! Hmmm....

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#83200 - 12/18/06 11:28 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano
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Does anyone know who is the Estonia dealer in Singapore? I saw an advertisement in the newspapers some weeks ago, but forgot to clip it out.

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