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#836927 - 09/02/04 06:58 AM Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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Here's what Zell Miller *really* thinks of John Kerry.

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Introduction of Senator John Kerry

Democratic Party of Georgia's
Jefferson-Jackson Dinner

March 1, 2001

It is good to be back in Georgia and to be with you. I have been coming to these dinners since the 1950s, and have missed very few.

I'm proud to be Georgia's junior senator and I'm honored to serve with Max Cleland, who is as loved and respected as anyone in that body. One of our very highest priorities must be to make sure this man is re-elected in 2002 so he can continue to serve this state and nation.

I continue to be impressed with all that Governor Barnes and Lieutenant Governor Taylor and the Speaker and the General Assembly are getting done over at the Gold Dome. Georgia is fortunate to have this kind of leadership.

My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders and a good friend.

He was once a lieutenant governor but he didn't stay in that office 16 years, like someone else I know. It just took two years before the people of Massachusetts moved him into the United States Senate in 1984.

In his 16 years in the Senate, John Kerry has fought against government waste and worked hard to bring some accountability to Washington.

Early in his Senate career in 1986, John signed on to the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Bill, and he fought for balanced budgets before it was considered politically correct for Democrats to do so.

John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment. Business Week magazine named him one of the top pro-technology legislators and made him a member of its "Digital Dozen."

John was re-elected in 1990 and again in 1996 when he defeated popular Republican Governor William Weld in the most closely watched Senate race in the country.

John is a graduate of Yale University and was a gunboat officer in the Navy. He received a Silver Star, Bronze Star and three awards of the Purple Heart for combat duty in Vietnam. He later co-founded the Vietnam Veterans of America.

He is married to Teresa Heinz and they have two daughters.

As many of you know, I have great affection some might say an obsession for my two Labrador retrievers, Gus and Woodrow. It turns out John is a fellow dog lover, too, and he better be. His German Shepherd, Kim, is about to have puppies. And I just want him to know Gus and Woodrow had nothing to do with that.

Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome Senator John Kerry. [/b]

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That used to be on Zell Miller's web site. I guess he took it down.

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#836928 - 09/02/04 07:05 AM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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#836929 - 09/02/04 07:07 AM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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And then 9/11 happened, and the world changed.

But not John F'in Kerry.
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#836930 - 09/02/04 07:07 AM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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This was discussed last night [edit: discussed on one of the newschannels, not here] . He was given something to read and he read it. McCain is supporting Bush, even though he doesn't seem to like him much...it happend on both sides all of the time. I don't think you've got anything here.
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#836931 - 09/02/04 07:08 AM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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He just reads whatever is handed to him?

Sounds like our current president!
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#836932 - 09/02/04 07:17 AM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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No...he was asked to read it as an introduction, and he did. I don't know if he read it in advance or not. Even if they loved each other then, things can change.
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#836933 - 09/02/04 07:43 AM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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LOL!!!!!

You are kidding aren't you, NY? One speech he gives is exactly what he thinks and another he gives is something he has been handed and read?

You have to stretch pretty far to come up with THAT explanation. And you have to be pretty gullible to buy it.

Let's face it -- supporting Zel like you all do really calls into question any attacks on Kerry for flip-flopping. I mean, c'mon, is there any greater flip-flopper alive today than Zel Miller?

Well, except maybe George Bush -- who when he speaks on his own says we cannot win the war on terrorism and when he is handed a speech and just reads it (like Zell apparently is in the habit of doing), says we can. Flip-flop.
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#836934 - 09/02/04 08:11 AM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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None of you know Zell Miller the way I do. He was governor of my state for a long, long time. Any fool can see by simply reading it that NY is correct - this was written by a staffer, not Miller. It's a near generic introduction. To put the same level of signifigance on a throw-away introduction of someone in a throw-away speech to a keynote address is ridiculous. You guys are stretching really hard on this one.

Expect Miller to be ripped apart by the Democrat party members however. This is how they do things. They don't bother to listen to what's being said that they don't agree with. Zell Miller has tried to get his party to see how out of touch they have become, out of the public eye, for a long time. They refused to pay any attention. Now, he's retiring, and he doesn't care what they think.

Maybe you Democrats will understand it this way:

Zell Miller is a patriot. Oddly enough, he's also a decorated war hero - a marine, in fact. You probably didn't know that, since he has never tried to use it the way you've become accustomed to Kerry using it.

He's an American first, a Democrat second. Many Democrats are Democrats first, Americans second. You defend the Democrat party line at all costs, even above the best interests of America. Only after you feel the Democrat party line is not being threatened do you turn your eyes toward the needs of the country. What you're seeing in Zell Miller is what it looks like when a Democrat puts his politics second. I have no doubt that looks strange to some of you.
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#836935 - 09/02/04 08:19 AM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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You are kidding aren't you, NY? One speech he gives is exactly what he thinks and another he gives is something he has been handed and read?[/b]

You have to believe that a national party convention keynote speech is just like an introduction at some dinner to make that connection. Now that is a stretch.
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#836936 - 09/02/04 08:25 AM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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So JA, regardless of Miller's departure from his view expressed at a dinner introduction, where is he wrong in his assessment of Kerry's voting record?
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#836937 - 09/02/04 11:16 AM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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I don't have the time or the inclination, but I expect that the list of weapons he cited against which Kerry supposedly voted were parts of pork barrel spending proposals or otherwise, bad bills; along the same line as the immense criticism lodged by the wingers against Kerry for voting down the 87 billion dollar Iraq war bill - when, in fact the he was pushing for the exact same dollar amount of aid, but with he proviso that it was to be partially subsidized by Iraqi oil money. In short, I don't put a whole lot of stock in hearing laundrey lists of isolated items voted for or agin. And when I hear that sort of list rattled off, my immediate inclination is to read between the lines and know that I'm being sold a line of bunk. All the more reason to shake one's head at Miller's utter about-face, hypocracy.

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#836938 - 09/02/04 11:45 AM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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No line of bunk, ma'ma.

Kerry's record in the Senate is very well known.

That is why he only wants to talk about Vietnam.
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#836939 - 09/02/04 12:00 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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I hope some of you caught Miller's interview on CNN following Cheney's speech. He made a complete ass of himself. He's obviously a very stupid man, and probably a tad insane, too.
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#836940 - 09/02/04 12:46 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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No, Zell rightly called Matthew's hand. Matthews is an attack dog, and you don't attack Miller. Zell will eat you alive.

As to what Kathy hasn't the "time or inclination" to do - her excuse is the standard fare excuse given by Democrats to try and avoid the issue. Put the votes up there, Kathy. I *have* taken the time to look.

Bye bye, Kerry.
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#836941 - 09/02/04 12:53 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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Zel Miller.....

flip flop, flip flop, flip flop
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#836942 - 09/02/04 12:54 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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Originally posted by Eusebius:
I hope some of you caught Miller's interview on CNN following Cheney's speech. He made a complete ass of himself. He's obviously a very stupid man, and probably a tad insane, too. [/b]
Nope, don't think so.

Zell is moutain folk, an ex-Marine, and he doesn't take kindly to Matthews type of "journalism". I daresay that if it had been Rush, or O'Reilly treating him that way, they would have gotten the same treatment.

If you think Zell is stupid, perhaps you never attended one of his college lectures, or sat in the Georgia legislature while he twisted arms to pass legislation.

When Orrin Hatch was first elected to the Senate, there were only 37 Republicans in that body. They now have the majority. (And don't look now, but the latest polling shows Thune pulling ahead of Daschle). There is a reason Democrats have lost their majority, and if you'd like to know the answer, go buy Zell's book.

You may learn something.
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#836943 - 09/02/04 12:56 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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Originally posted by John Andrew:
Zel Miller.....

flip flop, flip flop, flip flop [/b]
Now that's just a plain lie.

You may like Zell. You may not.

But he has always followed his conscience, sometimes an unpopular thing to do, considering his electorate.
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#836944 - 09/02/04 12:59 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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You're funny John. If I thought you were really as empty of logic as you appear, I'd be very concerned.

You *are* doing an act, right?........
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#836945 - 09/02/04 01:12 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Jolly:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Eusebius:
I hope some of you caught Miller's interview on CNN following Cheney's speech. He made a complete ass of himself. He's obviously a very stupid man, and probably a tad insane, too. [/b]
Nope, don't think so.


If you think Zell is stupid, perhaps you never attended one of his college lectures, or sat in the Georgia legislature while he twisted arms to pass legislation.

[/b]
Probably Alzheimer's. It also has a tendency to bring on personality change and irrationality.

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#836946 - 09/02/04 01:15 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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If All Democrats were like Zell Miller, I'd be a Democrat.

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#836947 - 09/02/04 01:16 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Jolly:
 Quote:
Originally posted by John Andrew:
Zel Miller.....

flip flop, flip flop, flip flop [/b]
Now that's just a plain lie.

You may like Zell. You may not.

But he has always followed his conscience, sometimes an unpopular thing to do, considering his electorate. [/b]
Really, Jolly?

Let's see

Gets elected to the Senate claiming to be a Democrat but caucuses with, votes with, is rewarded by Republicans. Flip flop.

Praises the Democratic Party in 1992 because the GOP is bereft of values and bad for the country. Praises the Republican Party in 2004 because the Democratic Party is bereft of values and bad for the country. Flip flop.

Praises John Kerry when introducing him to a small audience. Attacks John Kerry when he gets his moment on national TV. Flip flop.

Now, Jolly, if you want to argue that a man's views can change, or that one has to understand the context and the reasons for seemingly contrary positions, I am happy to discuss that -- in the context of all politicians whose views evolve, not just those politicians you support.
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#836948 - 09/02/04 01:17 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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Ah, down to name calling, are we? You cannot refute what the man said, so you say he has Alzheimer's.

Have you read his latest (it is not his only) book, "A National Party No More"? Or are you shooting your mouth off from the hip, as usual?

No man with Alzheimer's could write such a cognizant work.
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#836949 - 09/02/04 01:19 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Tom-*K:
If All Democrats were like Zell Miller, I'd be a Democrat. [/b]
Thank goodness for small wonders! :p

I wonder if Larry and Jolly were singing Zell's praises after he did Clinton's keynote address 12 years ago.
:rolleyes:

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#836950 - 09/02/04 01:20 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Jolly:


No man with Alzheimer's could write such a cognizant work. [/b]
They're called ghost writers, Jolly. He really doesn't look healthy.

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#836951 - 09/02/04 01:22 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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 Quote:
Originally posted by kathyk:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Jolly:


No man with Alzheimer's could write such a cognizant work. [/b]
They're called ghost writers, Jolly. He really doesn't look healthy. [/b]
More name-calling.

Have you read the book, or not?
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#836952 - 09/02/04 01:22 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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Listen: That speech last night did serious damage to Kerry. It was good and it was funny--it wasn't entirely truthful--but that wasn't the point was it?

Zell tore Kerry a new one and he's won't be able to sit down till after the election.

For what it's worth Bush's campaign plan is working out pretty well--the Swift Boat guys took a lot of heat off of the President for most of the summer. I think this Convention also was pretty well put together. I think at this point things are in the President's advantage.

Bush may screw up in the Debates, but if he does at least OK--I think he's got it.

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#836953 - 09/02/04 01:25 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Tom-*K:


Zell tore Kerry a new one and he's won't be able to sit down till after the election.

For what it's worth Bush's campaign plan is working out pretty well--the Swift Boat guys took a lot of heat off of the President for most of the summer. I think this Convention also was pretty well put together. I think at this point things are in the President's advantage.

[/b]
And, well they should be as an incumbant president, in the midst of his nominating convention. Let's see how things look toward the end of next week.

PS I wish you and everyone else would stop using that little metaphor in your first sentence. It's overused and quite disgusting.

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#836954 - 09/02/04 01:27 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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Dear kathy,

Ill never use it again.

On the other hand--I don't thing Kerry has a plan, do you. His Vietnam stuff was wearing thin even before the Swift Boaters came along--what's he got?

The Rovester--he's the MAAAAANNNNNNNN!

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#836955 - 09/02/04 01:28 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Jolly:
 Quote:
Originally posted by kathyk:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Jolly:


No man with Alzheimer's could write such a cognizant work. [/b]
They're called ghost writers, Jolly. He really doesn't look healthy. [/b]
More name-calling.

Have you read the book, or not? [/b]
It's probably still in the early phase - but after dealing regularly with afflicted clients, I recognize the look, the anger, the frustration . .. poor man.

The book? Nah, haven't read it. Too many books on my stack.

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#836956 - 09/02/04 01:32 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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Gets elected to the Senate claiming to be a Democrat but caucuses with, votes with, is rewarded by Republicans.
Did you listen to his speech last night? Zell did not caucuse with the Republicans until some months after 9/11, when it became apparent that Tom Daschle was more interested in the good of the Democrat Party, than the good of the United States.

 Quote:
Praises the Democratic Party in 1992 because the GOP is bereft of values and bad for the country. Praises the Republican Party in 2004 because the Democratic Party is bereft of values and bad for the country.
Go back and read the speech. Zell is an old-time Southern Democrat. If Clinton would have delivered on much of his stump speech, he would have been, also. He did not, and I think I would be safe to say Mr. Miller felt betrayed.

 Quote:
Praises John Kerry when introducing him to a small audience. Attacks John Kerry when he gets his moment on national TV
George Bush was quite gracious when announcing Clinton a few months ago. It's called manners, John, something sadly lacking in some people.

 Quote:
in the context of all politicians whose views evolve, not just those politicians you support.
Now that was a gag line, right? There are politicians I do respect on the other side of the aisle, for they have principles, and mainly it is the principle of country over party.

There's just not that many Dems who can claim that virtue, anymore...
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#836957 - 09/02/04 01:37 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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It's probably still in the early phase - but after dealing regularly with afflicted clients, I recognize the look, the anger, the frustration . .. poor man.

The book? Nah, haven't read it. Too many books on my stack.

Are you sure it's the clients who are afflicted? ;\)

Lady, have you never heard a Southern pol speak before? You would have thought that you'd at least listen to Grand Wizard Byrd, from time to time.

It is a rhetorical style, and an effective one. Most of the truly great politicians this country has produced, come from south of the Mason-Dixon.
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#836958 - 09/02/04 01:41 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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Jolly, your asleep at the wheel man.............. You know Dems don't read......... they wait for the movie. That way the actors and directors make it come out the way they Like.
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#836959 - 09/02/04 02:03 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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Well then, let me give Kathy something to read. Doesn't look like senility to me:


Since I last stood in this spot, a whole new generation of the Miller Family has been born: Four great grandchildren.

Along with all the other members of our close-knit family -- they are my and Shirley's most precious possessions.

And I know that's how you feel about your family also.

Like you, I think of their future, the promises and the perils they will face.

Like you, I believe that the next four years will determine what kind of world they will grow up in.

And like you, I ask which leader is it today that has the vision, the willpower and, yes, the backbone to best protect my family?

The clear answer to that question has placed me in this hall with you tonight. For my family is more important than my party.

There is but one man to whom I am willing to entrust their future and that man's name is George Bush.

In the summer of 1940, I was an eight-year-old boy living in a remote little Appalachian valley.

Our country was not yet at war but even we children knew that there were some crazy men across the ocean who would kill us if they could.

President Roosevelt, in his speech that summer, told America "all private plans, all private lives, have been in a sense repealed by an overriding public danger."

In 1940 Wendell Wilkie was the Republican nominee.

And there is no better example of someone repealing their "private plans" than this good man.

He gave Roosevelt the critical support he needed for a peacetime draft, an unpopular idea at the time.

And he made it clear that he would rather lose the election than make national security a partisan campaign issue.

Shortly before Wilkie died he told a friend, that if he could write his own epitaph and had to choose between "here lies a president" or "here lies one who contributed to saving freedom", he would prefer the latter.

Where are such statesmen today?

Where is the bi-partisanship in this country when we need it most?

Now, while young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrat's manic obsession to bring down our Commander-in- Chief.

What has happened to the party I've spent my life working in?

I can remember when Democrats believed that it was the duty of America to fight for freedom over tyranny.

It was Democratic President Harry Truman who pushed the Red Army out of Iran, who came to the aid of Greece when Communists threatened to overthrow it, who stared down the Soviet blockade of West Berlin by flying in supplies and saving the city.

Time after time in our history, in the face of great danger, Democrats and Republicans worked together to ensure that freedom would not falter. But not today.

Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator.

And nothing makes this Marine madder than someone calling American troops occupiers rather than liberators.

Tell that to the one-half of Europe that was freed because Franklin Roosevelt led an army of liberators, not occupiers.

Tell that to the lower half of the Korean Peninsula that is free because Dwight Eisenhower commanded an army of liberators, not occupiers.

Tell that to the half a billion men, women and children who are free today from the Baltics to the Crimea, from Poland to Siberia, because Ronald Reagan rebuilt a military of liberators, not occupiers.

Never in the history of the world has any soldier sacrificed more for the freedom and liberty of total strangers than the American soldier. And, our soldiers don't just give freedom abroad, they preserve it for us here at home.

For it has been said so truthfully that it is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press.

It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the agitator, who has given us the freedom to protest.

It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag who gives that protester the freedom to abuse and burn that flag.

No one should dare to even think about being the Commander in Chief of this country if he doesn't believe with all his heart that our soldiers are liberators abroad and defenders of freedom at home.

But don't waste your breath telling that to the leaders of my party today. In their warped way of thinking America is the problem, not the solution.

They don't believe there is any real danger in the world except that which America brings upon itself through our clumsy and misguided foreign policy.

It is not their patriotism - it is their judgment that has been so sorely lacking. They claimed Carter's pacifism would lead to peace.

They were wrong.

They claimed Reagan's defense buildup would lead to war.

They were wrong.

And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.

Together, Kennedy/Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won the Cold War and that is now winning the War on Terror.

Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to shut down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security but Americans need to know the facts.

The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40% of the bombs in the first six months of Operation Enduring Freedom.

The B-2 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered air strikes against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Hussein's command post in Iraq.

The F-14A Tomcats, that Senator Kerry opposed, shot down Khadifi's Libyan MIGs over the Gulf of Sidra. The modernized F-14D, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered missile strikes against Tora Bora.

The Apache helicopter, that Senator Kerry opposed, took out those Republican Guard tanks in Kuwait in the Gulf War. The F-15 Eagles, that Senator Kerry opposed, flew cover over our Nation's Capital and this very city after 9/11.

I could go on and on and on: Against the Patriot Missile that shot down Saddam Hussein's scud missiles over Israel, Against the Aegis air-defense cruiser, Against the Strategic Defense Initiative, Against the Trident missile, against, against, against.

This is the man who wants to be the Commander in Chief of our U.S. Armed Forces?

U.S. forces armed with what? Spitballs?

Twenty years of votes can tell you much more about a man than twenty weeks of campaign rhetoric.

Campaign talk tells people who you want them to think you are. How you vote tells people who you really are deep inside.

Senator Kerry has made it clear that he would use military force only if approved by the United Nations.

Kerry would let Paris decide when America needs defending. I want Bush to decide.

John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our national security.

That's the most dangerous outsourcing of all. This politician wants to be leader of the free world.

Free for how long?

For more than twenty years, on every one of the great issues of freedom and security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak and more wobbly than any other national figure. As a war protestor, Kerry blamed our military.

As a Senator, he voted to weaken our military. And nothing shows that more sadly and more clearly than his vote this year to deny protective armor for our troops in harms way, far-away.

George Bush understands that we need new strategies to meet new threats.

John Kerry wants to re-fight yesterday's war. George Bush believes we have to fight today's war and be ready for tomorrow's challenges. George Bush is committed to providing the kind of forces it takes to root out terrorists.

No matter what spider hole they may hide in or what rock they crawl under.

George Bush wants to grab terrorists by the throat and not let them go to get a better grip.

From John Kerry, they get a "yes-no-maybe" bowl of mush that can only encourage our enemies and confuse our friends.

I first got to know George Bush when we served as governors together. I admire this man.

I am moved by the respect he shows the First Lady, his unabashed love for his parents and his daughters, and the fact that he is unashamed of his belief that God is not indifferent to America.

I can identify with someone who has lived that line in "Amazing Grace," "Was blind, but now I see," and I like the fact that he's the same man on Saturday night that he is on Sunday morning.

He is not a slick talker but he is a straight shooter and, where I come from, deeds mean a lot more than words.

I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home, a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel.

The man I trust to protect my most precious possession: my family.

This election will change forever the course of history, and that's not any history. It's our family's history.

The only question is how. The answer lies with each of us. And, like many generations before us, we've got some hard choosing to do.

Right now the world just cannot afford an indecisive America. Fainthearted, self-indulgence will put at risk all we care about in this world.

In this hour of danger our President has had the courage to stand up. And this Democrat is proud to stand up with him.

Thank you.

God Bless this great country and God Bless George W. Bush.


Text of Zell Miller's keynote speech, 9/1/04
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#836960 - 09/02/04 02:10 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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It made me wince a bit to hear him twice refer to his family as possessions. :rolleyes: Azheimer's is slow and progressive. Sometimes it affects behavior before it markedly affects cognitive function.

So, were you lauding his praises in 1992 when he stumped for Clinton, Jolly?

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#836961 - 09/02/04 03:47 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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Bump...I'm still waiting John...

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Originally posted by ny1911:
So JA, regardless of Miller's departure from his view expressed at a dinner introduction, where is he wrong in his assessment of Kerry's voting record? [/b]
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#836962 - 09/03/04 06:37 AM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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Last bump and I'll let it die.

 Quote:
Originally posted by ny1911:
Bump...I'm still waiting John...

 Quote:
Originally posted by ny1911:
So JA, regardless of Miller's departure from his view expressed at a dinner introduction, where is he wrong in his assessment of Kerry's voting record? [/b]
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#836963 - 09/03/04 06:41 AM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Here's what Zell Miller *really* thinks of John Kerry.[/b]
Um, no, actually Zell says that he read the introduction, the Kerry bio he was given. He has publicly retracted those statements and said they were incorrect and he was wrong to have just read what the Democrats handed him.

Edit: I see this has already been brought up. I also see JA and Kathy are attacking the messenger, but have nothing to say about the message.
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#836964 - 09/03/04 07:08 AM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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 Quote:
Originally posted by ny1911:
Last bump and I'll let it die.

 Quote:
Originally posted by ny1911:
Bump...I'm still waiting John...

 Quote:
Originally posted by ny1911:
So JA, regardless of Miller's departure from his view expressed at a dinner introduction, where is he wrong in his assessment of Kerry's voting record? [/b]
[/b]
[/b]
Sorry, ny. I missed this. I do not have the time that some of you have to spend all day on here and read every post and respond and argue about every one.

Given that Mr. Miller was giving a propoganda laden politcal attack speech (angry and mean-sprited didn't you think?)he made assertions he did not back up. He also attributed to those assertions specific motivations as if they are fact. And he asserted and implied specific consequences for such votes, motivations, etc. Nor did he state who else stood with Mr. Kerry and why.

And this from a man who tries to explain away praise he once gave for the man he is now condemning. I guess such explanations are OK for him to give and he expects us to accept them; but he feels no scruples about giving a series of sweeping one sentence condemnations of another man's actions as if his condemnations were fact.

None of what he said was specific. It was all grandiose hyperbole -- typical of angry political speeches.

Why would I even try to argue with such rhetoric? It would be a complete waste of time.

What I am surprised at in this Convention is how few speeches focused on Mr. Bush's record and on supporting Mr. Bush and how many focused on belittling, angrily attacking and making fun of John Kerry. One would think Mr. Bush has little to offer -- since so little was offered by any of the speakers.

Obviously, the GOP decided the politics of anger and fear is a far better strategy than offering a vision and a view of the future.

Strange. And rather sad, really.

But this tactic says so much about them.

BTW, did you hear that Mr. Miller's book sales have increased significantly this week? It seems like his marketing strategy is working.
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#836965 - 09/03/04 09:15 PM Re: Zell Miller Adores John Kerry
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Originally posted by John Andrew:
What I am surprised at in this Convention is how few speeches focused on Mr. Bush's record and on supporting Mr. Bush and how many focused on belittling, angrily attacking and making fun of John Kerry.[/b]
Not sure what you were watching. If you saw the convention what you heard were people specifically talking about both Bush's and Kerry's records. That is *exactly* what they were talking about. If you thought Kerry was being belittled, it was Kerry's record being belittled. Of course, the record reflects the man, in both cases.
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