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#862679 - 10/20/04 12:47 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
fmelliott Offline
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89th,

Many liberals are deeply into ad hominum attacks. They don't really fancy a debate. Note the grammer remarks.

Recast, put out something specific to talk about. Good debates need a topic.

I'll get a bag of popcorn to munch and watch you work.

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#862680 - 10/20/04 12:56 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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89th.....STICK AROUND!!!! soon after the election the threads about religion, homosexuality and cooking will resurface and you can really exercise your skills

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#862681 - 10/20/04 01:00 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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Cooking?
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#862682 - 10/20/04 01:03 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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That's right freedom! You had better know your spices from herbs when you get on one of those threads....those vicious monsters will tear you apart! \:D

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#862683 - 10/20/04 01:09 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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I think I'll take a page out of Brendan's book:

This is the most horrible thread I've ever seen.
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#862684 - 10/20/04 01:25 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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Originally posted by Eusebius:
I think I'll take a page out of Brendan's book:

This is the most horrible thread I've ever seen. [/b]


89th, I lean to the right, and even I think you're a moron. The Liberals haven't responded because they probably think you're a loudmouth troll who won't shut up no matter what they say.

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#862685 - 10/20/04 01:28 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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89th sounds like Sad American to me.
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#862686 - 10/20/04 01:34 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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Ah yes, how about this as a topic (i am about to leave work but dont worry, ill respond tonight or tomorrow!):

I disagree firmly with homosexual marriage (or any 'special' governmental recognition) because it simply opens the door for so many more things that are bad for society, the economy, et cetera.

For example, you HAVE to allow incest marriage and polygamist marriage...thats how they were born after all, what they do is their own business right?

We'll be seeing 20 person marriages before you know it.
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#862687 - 10/20/04 01:38 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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Is this guy for real?
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#862688 - 10/20/04 01:42 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
The 89th Key Offline
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And I am a moron and a sad american because I like to get in healthy political debates exchanging facts (usually my side) and opinion (usually their side)...

i dont mind name calling or anything like that, but PLEASE PLEASE back it up with some sort of information..

I am a reasonable person, and I just like a good debate, but i cant STAND people making claims without any reasoning behind them...

all the time i get "you are a moron" with NO fact or evidence behind it...

the other day someone was like "Fox News Lies!!" and I asked when have they lied or been biased towards Bush...and they couldn't give ANY facts....so I then showed them a independent media analyst's poll showing that Fox news is virtually the only news station WITHOUT bias...

so please, say a reason and NOT:

you're a moron
you're sad
your grammar sucks
etc.
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#862689 - 10/20/04 01:45 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
Freedom Offline
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Where is Kenny, I expected to see him here ages ago. \:\)
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#862690 - 10/20/04 01:50 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
The 89th Key Offline
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It is very simple, I am up for a fun debate.

If I came across someone wanting to debate against the GOP, i would gladly say:

"this is why you are wrong...."

not

"you have bad grammar"

simple.

im guessing Kenny is an infamous liberal bomb thrower?
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#862691 - 10/20/04 01:52 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
Freedom Offline
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Well........... he usually loves gay rights debates.
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#862692 - 10/20/04 01:52 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
Eusebius Offline
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No, just a gay man who doesn't appreciate the kind of ignorance you displayed a few posts back.
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#862693 - 10/20/04 01:56 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
The 89th Key Offline
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im sorry, i missed your post where you used EVIDENCE or FACTS when you called me ignorant...

its ok, at least i didn't just go on a diatribe about it!
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#862694 - 10/20/04 01:57 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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If you don't use correct grammar on this forum people will never take anything you say seriously. I suggest you take the thirty seconds it would take to make your posts easier for us to read.
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#862695 - 10/20/04 01:59 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
The 89th Key Offline
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gotta leave work now...goin home

feel free to tell me why its ok to deny the civil rights of polygamists and incest practitioners, and allow civil rights of homos...

(notice the slight sarcasm)
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#862696 - 10/20/04 02:01 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
The 89th Key Offline
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Ill take note of that Ben, thanks. As you can see I just started this forum-thing today, so I didn't know grammar makes your statements more credible in here.

(I am NOT sarcastic this time)

Have a good night all..
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#862697 - 10/20/04 02:04 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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How strange that someone whose arguments are so conspicuously short of evidence or facts should demand those qualities in the arguments of others.

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For example, you HAVE to allow incest marriage and polygamist marriage...thats how they were born after all, what they do is their own business right?
For starters, I'd like evidence that people are born predisposed to practice incest or polygamy. After that, I'd like you to explain how gay marriage would logically lead to the legalization of those activities.
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#862698 - 10/20/04 02:05 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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89th, you're an ignorant fool.

Reason: You automatically assume you can disprove anything someone tells you. It's obvious you won't "lose" the debate because, in you own mind, anything that interferes with your deluded, cocky, arrogant, boastful, flimflammed ravings is heresy.

I'm done.

To everyone else, please...

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#862699 - 10/20/04 02:59 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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Here is the situation:

The reason I am against gay marriage is because they argue they should be allowed to get married, otherwise the government is infringing on their civil liberties, right?

Thus, IF you allow gay marraiges, you will then have to allow polygamist marriage (no limit on how many people), and then you have to allow incest marriage.

Gay people claim they are born that way and cant help it, and its the same with polygamists, incest practitioners, etc. So why would you discriminate against those people, but not against gays?

People can do whatever they want in the bedroom, I dont care, but its when you want to allow anything and everything (as long as it doesn't hurt anyone). You have to set a standard somewhere, and thats why marriage should be left with one mand and one woman, period.


and NAK, how about your go look up more words in the thesaurus without any legitimate reply...stop playing with your troll.
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#862700 - 10/20/04 05:46 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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Claimed by the 89th key:
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Gay people claim they are born that way and cant help [/b]
Well, then, where's YOUR evidence to support this, huh?

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#862701 - 10/20/04 07:07 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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Liberals don't argue with you for the same reason they don't invite you to dinner. There really is no point.

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#862702 - 10/20/04 07:17 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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 Quote:
Originally posted by reblder:
Claimed by the 89th key:
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Gay people claim they are born that way and cant help [/b]
Well, then, where's YOUR evidence to support this, huh? [/b]
I don't believe it either, Mark.
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#862703 - 10/20/04 07:24 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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I'm with Diarmuid.

(I mean I agree with him, not, well... oh never mind!)
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#862704 - 10/20/04 07:27 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Diarmuid2:
Liberals don't argue with you for the same reason they don't invite you to dinner. There really is no point. [/b]
And all this while I thought the reason Liberals don't invite me to dinner is because they can't cook. \:\(

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#862705 - 10/20/04 07:32 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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Penny can cook. Larry can cook. Moi can cook. Tomk cooks on a green egg. Jolly can cook squirrel and possum.

see?

Conservatives can cook.. Liberals can't.

BTW - I've had a subscription to Gourmet for about 20 years and the current "Restaurant Issue" is THE BEST if you're in the mood for some excellent innovative best of the best recipes.

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#862706 - 10/20/04 07:38 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Tom-*K:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Diarmuid2:
Liberals don't argue with you for the same reason they don't invite you to dinner. There really is no point. [/b]
And all this while I thought the reason Liberals don't invite me to dinner is because they can't cook. \:\( [/b]
No, Tom, it's because we know you wouldn't show.

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#862707 - 10/20/04 07:45 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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 Quote:
Originally posted by kathyk:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Tom-*K:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Diarmuid2:
Liberals don't argue with you for the same reason they don't invite you to dinner. There really is no point. [/b]
And all this while I thought the reason Liberals don't invite me to dinner is because they can't cook. \:\( [/b]
No, Tom, it's because we know you wouldn't show. [/b]
You zinged me a good one there, my dear! \:D

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#862708 - 10/20/04 07:50 PM Re: Liberals never win ANY argument!!!
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I DO NOT believe gays are born that way, I was saying that for the sake that it will be the same argument you will here from polygamists and incest practitioners.

But that is what they CLAIM, that is what I am saying.

Here is a conversation transcript, Dr. Carson is talking about this exact issue. It is common sense that gays think they are born that way and cant help it, ask any of them, but if you want evidence from a doctor that this is how gays think (that they cant help the way they were born), here you go:

"David: I want to address several issues directly tonight. The first one being confusion over one's sexual identity, trying to decide whether you really are gay or not? As a teen, how does one come to that conclusion or at least try and clarify that in their mind?

Dr. Cason: That is a good question because many people think that we are all born heterosexual and some people just suddenly get the idea that they are gay (like a virus) and then they come down with it like a permanent affliction. That is not what really happens. Instead, the person usually has some notion of their sexuality very early on, but rarely do they have a vocabulary or understanding of it. They do realize they are different and in the world of the child and adolescent, difference can mean rejection, so it is often kept inside. If the child does have a notion that he or she has attraction to those of his or her same sex, then he or she may take further steps to hide and feel shame that they feel something that is obviously disliked in their world.

The issue really is how does a young child, adolescent, or adult begin to come out of the shell that society has helped to create. It is not a decision to become "gay" but an understanding for many that they are going to be truer to themselves, and risk the rejection of others to be who they are. But this is a complicated question that brings up issues of "what is a gay identity?" Which is a whole different ball of wax, but suffice it to say, that the process of coming out with your attraction to those of the same sex, in this society, is a risky business.

David: So what you are saying is: you don't just wake up one day and say "I'm gay". There are a series of self-exploratory steps that may lead to a realization and acceptance of "this is who I am."

Dr. Cason: Absolutely! It is a more of an unveiling of, than a sudden change.
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