gee, larry, you must be feeling better!

Larry,

Many thanks for your in-depth research in responding. I just spotted this addition. I am looking forward to studying both posts in detail. I hasten to say, however, that I am WAY too uninformed about US history to judge or evaluate much of anything pertinent except language itself and its development. Most of what I really know about national history I have learned at this web-site. (Did someone say this is dedicated to pianos??)

I can see you went to a ton of trouble writing and putting this together and I too hope this is a sign that you are feeling better - you did not respond to my P.S. asking...Everything the same? Any news?

Ariel

P.S. (different) Ahem, not to be petty, but about KOTH...As I said earlier, it doesn't go by words or page length, but by sheer number of posts. Of course, we could always all get together and try to see how many of us could fit in a pay phone booth as another way of making the Guiness (or Piano World) Book of World Records. If there WERE any more phone booths, that is...Perhaps instead how many could fit in an AT&T cell-phone kiosk at the Mall?

Nina posted earlier: It's late and I'm tired (and I guess my eyes are blurring) but I just wanted to "share" a "special" moment (I LOATHE buzz-words)...As I read your post above, I misread the last sentence at first as "...I think I need to go take a crap" (let's see how the filter handles that one). It made perfect sense as a reaction, but I admit I was surprised at you for a moment, Nina!

Ariel

Ok..... I put in a lot of hard work proving our Founding Fathers were Christian, and that this is a Christian Nation. I'm not going to let you revisionists get away with ignoring me just because things got tough for you all of a sudden....

Get in here and stand your ground, or wave the white flag!.....

Or we could discuss the question you asked. I didn't write such a long post thinking about outdoing the Koth thread. I wrote it because I had something to say. You asked the question - I have answered it. I just figured the death throws of those who don't like dealing with these facts would generate a ton of posts.

Gads, Larry. I think you have too much time on your hands. You feeling any better? (just bumping this to the top in case anybody else who has anything to say about the original question would like to jump in here...)

Jodi

You've already been answered and at length.

(p.s. There wasn't a single Bible Society in the United States before 1808, and the Baltimore Bible Society was founded in 1810.)

Isn't it great to live in a the first country in the history of the western world with a Constitution, written by Christians, and who, BECAUSE they were Christian, left God and Jesus out of it?

(I'm done. Going to other threads.)

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No, I've had a bunch of revisionist history tossed out at me. But you have not addressed a single fact, because until I wrote my post, the only thing available in the thread was your revisionist history.

(p.s. There wasn't a single Bible Society in the United States before 1808, and the Baltimore Bible Society was founded in 1810.)[/b]

What does that have to do with anything? Tell me when one of the Founding Fathers started a "Deist Society" - or an "Islam Society". Then I'll give your revisionist history some weight.

Isn't it great to live in a the first country in the history of the western world with a Constitution, written by Christians, and who, BECAUSE they were Christian, left God and Jesus out of it?
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I know it will be hard for you Shantinik. Learning the truth means you have to let go of your preconceived notions. But the above statement shows a complete ignorance of the truth, and a total lack of understanding of the people of the day, and their history. Why not open your eyes and study instead of trying to force fit things into your views. They are, quite simply..... wrong.


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I take this as a white flag. That's sad.... You can't refute anything in my post with any facts, so rather than learn, you choose to run. You were quite vocal as long as you were able to put your revisionist history forth without challenge, but now you want to "go on to other threads"....

The facts are simple - None of the Founding Fathers were Deists. All of them professed at one level or another, their faith in Christianity. The "wall of separation of Church and State" that you like to talk about doesn't exist as you describe it, yet thanks to years of revisionists attacking the foundations of our country, we have few people left willing or able to hear the facts. They do as you have just done - they push their agenda, and when challenged, they close their minds, and run.

Hi, Larry,

I'm afraid I've put you and Shantinik in an unfair position, and I apologize. Although I was joking about the KOTH thread, I really did feel this was a discussion you could have contributed to (and are), but were unfortunately going through medical hell when it was raging...

Shantinik has worked hard arguing with Jolly and others in this LOOOOOG thread (which has really meandered into all kinds of sub-themes, many of neither happy nor related to the original topic). And I am guessing that he feels "talked out" about it - not that he is waving a flag of any color.

If you are up to it, you could browse through the thread itself, with special attention to his and Renauda's and Jolly's well thought-out posts. If you post not only your own research and thoughts, but specific replies to his points, perhaps then Shantinik will feel like replying as he really has said most everything several times. I think he is kind of burnt out, and you should pardon the metaphor, but I invited you to the party pretty late. (Of course you could not have "attended" earlier or you would have been here from the start, anyhow.)

As for me, I am not enough of a scholar to reply and besides right now I am kind of tied up with that other "party" I didn't realize I had started. I began this thread after accidently bumping into this provocative contention on-line (with supporting quotes) - I realize that's not exactly in-depth scholarship - and thought it would make an interesting point of departure for discussion. Especially among those who know a hell of lot more about American History than me!If you look at the original notes accompanying my thread starting, yuo will see I said as much!

Ariel

I hope no news is good news about the other stuff...

Gee, it's good to have you back, Larry!

No offense intended Ariel, but please let Shantinik speak for himself.

No offense taken. I guess I just felt guilty.

A.