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#881951 - 07/13/04 06:43 PM "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
John Andrew Offline
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Is nothing sacred? Now they are going after "fair and balanced" Fox News! Can you imagine? The nerve! The audacity!

But then, when the truth outs, it tends to upset those who arrogantly think they can be what they are not and everyone just has to accept them for what they claim to be.

From the LA Times:

Fox News in cross hairs of a new documentary[/b]
A dogged hunt for evidence of GOP-tilted bias results in the latest salvo from the left.

By Elizabeth Jensen, Times Staff Writer


NEW YORK — In a season of politically confrontational movies, documentary filmmaker Robert Greenwald is aiming to do to the Fox News Channel what Michael Moore is trying to do to the Bush administration with his "Fahrenheit 9/11."

A coalition of liberal-minded groups, led by the political action organizers MoveOn.org, teamed to fund "Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism," Greenwald's new film that portrays the cable news and opinion channel as the prime example of what's wrong with media consolidation.

Working in stealth for six months, Greenwald pieced together allegations from former Fox insiders, memos from the network's editorial chief and extensive on-air clips taken from four months of taping the channel to lay out how Fox, in his view, aggressively promotes a Republican agenda.

His arsenal includes:

• A 2000 tape in which Fox News Channel's chief political correspondent Carl Cameron chats amiably with then-presidential candidate George W. Bush — just before interviewing him — about how much Cameron's wife is enjoying campaigning for the president-to-be. Such conflicts of interest aren't generally allowed at other media outlets. "My wife has been hanging out with your sister…." Cameron tells Bush. "She's a good soul. She's a really good soul," Bush responds. The unaired footage that precedes the interview, billed as a "Fox News Exclusive," appears to have been pulled off a satellite feed. (Moore used such outtakes as a central motif of "Fahrenheit," as he sought to capture images of administration figures in unflattering moments.)

• Nine recent memos from John Moody, Fox's editorial chief, tersely laying out the way in which Fox's reporters and anchors are to discuss the day's news, including pro-administration developments they are to highlight, such as the economy's job growth.

• Former West Coast anchor Jon Du Pre talking about how reporters were praised when they took shots at Democrats and encouraged to report negatively on Jesse Jackson. The anchor also said he got in trouble because his coverage of a Ronald Reagan birthday celebration wasn't sufficiently enthusiastic.

• Fox clips juxtaposed with Republican talking points to show how news anchors and opinion commentators pound home a theme throughout a day, such as a sustained attack on former White House terror chief Richard A. Clarke and a humorous portrayal of presumptive Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry as "French."

One series of clips is strung together humorously to make Fox's top-rated host Bill O'Reilly look bad. After he claims he has only told a guest to "shut up" once, O'Reilly is seen in clips using the phrase over and over. More seriously, the movie explores O'Reilly's on-air feud with the son of a man killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York's World Trade Center.

Fox representatives didn't return calls and e-mails seeking comment. On Friday, a Fox official would refer only to a posting on the Drudge Report website that suggested Fox would argue that its practices were no different than those of its cable news rivals and would try to embarrass the others if they ran "self-serving" stories about the documentary. "Fox News executives are lining up a parade of employees who formerly worked at CNN & MSNBC and have been downloading information on how editorial decisions are made at these networks, including the agenda for how stories are supposed to be covered," the item said. Worried that Fox would shut him down prematurely, Greenwald said he never asked the network for permission to use its clips or asked executives to respond to the allegations. Short clips of copyrighted material for news or commentary purposes are generally protected under the "Fair Use Doctrine" of copyright law.

Greenwald said Fox was the only network that turned him down out of hand when he asked for clips for his previous film, "Uncovered: The Whole Truth About the Iraq War," which opens theatrically next month. As for why he didn't ask them for comment, he said, "They have a pretty effective ability to respond 24 hours a day, seven days a week."

The coalition funding "Outfoxed" finally began taking the wraps off the 80-minute film at the end of June, when MoveOn .org invited members to hold "house parties" to show it and a website began showing trailers. MoveOn and the Center for American Progress are holding a news conference today in New York featuring some of the people quoted in the film, which will have its official unveiling in New York on Tuesday.

Greenwald says his goal is that "everybody in America turns off Fox News, that they look at it and see it for what it is and then turn it off." Almost from the minute Fox News Channel went on the air in 1996, critics have complained that the channel, the brainchild of News Corp. chairman Murdoch, distorts the news and promotes a conservative agenda. Fox, whose use of the motto "Fair and Balanced" is particularly irritating to critics, counters that it merely gives equal time to voices that it contends have a hard time getting heard on media outlets it considers liberal-biased.

Indeed, copies of the Moody memos — some provided to the Los Angeles Times by Greenwald's team and some independently obtained — appear to bend over backward to favor a Republican line, but they also show instances where Moody ordered the staff to play down, for example, criticism of Democratic candidate John Kerry and to give Kerry and Bush equal time on days when both were delivering big speeches.

Greenwald originally wanted to look at the effects of media consolidation but soon decided to focus on Fox, he said. Eventually, he contacted more than 50 current and former Fox employees. He found plenty of people who had tough things to say about their former employer, such as Clara Frenk, a Fox booker and producer in 1998-99, who talked about an anti-liberal bias, and former terrorism commentator Larry Johnson, who said he was dropped from Fox in January 2003, without explanation, after he made comments critical of the Bush administration.

Greenwald — whose credits also include "Unprecedented," a documentary about the 2000 presidential election — also found four former employees who wouldn't be quoted because they had signed nondisclosure agreements.

But Greenwald didn't find what Fox critics have always hoped for, some kind of internal memo or a whistle blower who would prove their case of bias unequivocally. "There is no 'Watergate tape,' " he said, adding that Fox News executives are "very smart people; they don't give you the smoking gun." What he found instead, he said, is "patterns. You're not going to find one memo or one person. You look at a pattern."

Greenwald concluded from his research that Fox News is not so much conservative as Republican "partisan" and problematic because it has influenced other TV news channels that are envious of Fox's ratings success.

"Outfoxed," which so far is slated for limited screenings and a DVD release, joins a spate of summer documentaries attacking the media. Among them are Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11," which contends that TV news has been too supportive of the Bush administration's foreign policies, and "The Hunting of the President," which criticizes decade-old coverage by newspapers, including the Los Angeles Times, of the Whitewater accusations that dogged President Bill Clinton's White House.

"Outfoxed" is also the extension of a broad attack on the credibility of Fox News that has been building among many organizations in the last year. MoveOn.org, which also helped finance "Uncovered," has had what it calls a Fox News "monitoring" program in place since November, in which members are urged to write in with examples of Fox bias. Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, also a supporter of the film, has issued several reports questioning Fox reporting.

Prominent critics in the media include Los Angeles Times editor John Carroll, who does not appear in the documentary, and Walter Cronkite, who does. "It was quite clear when they founded the Fox network that they intended to be a conservative organization" Cronkite says in the film, adding "beyond conservative, a far right wing organization."

The sustained criticism is reminiscent of the campaign that Accuracy In Media and other groups launched with some success against CBS News two decades ago, which are ongoing at sites such as Rather Biased.com.

The pattern suggested by the film starts well before the 1996 Fox launch, with Murdoch's mid-1980s purchase of a group of local TV stations in cities such as New York and Washington, D.C. Frank O'Donnell, a former producer of the 10 p.m. newscast on Fox's Washington station WTTG, until he left in 1991, told Greenwald about pressure he felt to run positive pieces on Republicans such as President Ronald Reagan and criticism of Democrats such as Sen. Ted Kennedy.

In an interview, O'Donnell, now the executive director of the Clean Air Trust, called it "the first intrusions by Murdoch into meddling with the content of newscasts." Although he never worked at Fox News, he said, "I was present when the seeds were sown for the … attempt to massage the news and present it through a more conservative prism."

Similarly, Greenwald interviewed Alexander Kippen, a reporter who covered Capitol Hill for WTTG from 1990 to 1995. Kippen, now a media consultant, told The Times he had a "great experience" at the station but has come to be critical of television news, Fox included, and so agreed to help Greenwald with the film. "Fox peddles opinion, which is very cheap and easy. It amuses viewers, and that is the prime goal of TV news, period. It seems to me that all Fox has done is perfected that model," he said.
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#881952 - 07/13/04 07:17 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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I linked to this in another thread. I'm looking forward to seeing it...
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#881953 - 07/13/04 07:35 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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A Michael Moore wannabe. Same style of selective cut and paste editing to make people seem as though they said things they never said.
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#881954 - 07/13/04 07:43 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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Mean old conservative owned liberal media...

\:D
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#881955 - 07/13/04 07:57 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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I see you have bought into the canard bruited about Eric Alterman that the media is biased Conservative because it is supposedly owned by Conservatives. That is like saying pay attention to the man behind the curtain. Even though he has nothing to do with what you are actually seeing.
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#881956 - 07/13/04 08:01 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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 Quote:
Originally posted by JBryan:
That is like saying pay attention to the man behind the curtain. Even though he has nothing to do with what you are actually seeing. [/b]
Yes, I often get that feeling about Bush.

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#881957 - 07/13/04 09:11 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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I heard these guys (the film makers) interviewed on NPR tonight. It was hard to drive straight I was laughing so hard.
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#881958 - 07/13/04 09:13 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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 Quote:
Originally posted by netizen:
Yes, I often get that feeling about Bush.

[/b]
Bush is behind a curtain?
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#881959 - 07/13/04 09:24 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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How come the right-wingers never make documentaries?
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#881960 - 07/13/04 09:29 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
JBryan Offline
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You do mean "documentaries" do you not?
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#881961 - 07/13/04 09:37 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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Just so.

"Documentaries" it is. ;\)
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#881962 - 07/14/04 12:57 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Steve Miller:
How come the right-wingers never make documentaries? [/b]
Documentaties are supposed to be truthful. ;\)

They have nothing to document. It's all classified. Until they need it to prove a point. \:D

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#881963 - 07/14/04 01:16 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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If a documentary doesn't provide balanced points of view, why would anyone give it any credibility, regardless of who made it?

Sheeple...
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#881964 - 07/14/04 01:32 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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For the same reason folks listen to Hannity and O'Reilly and all those other Murdoch-brownosers on Fox Gnus, or are consumed by "The Passion".

(makes for good, wholesome entertainment.)

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#881965 - 07/14/04 01:35 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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 Quote:
Originally posted by JBryan:
 Quote:
Originally posted by netizen:
Yes, I often get that feeling about Bush.

[/b]
Bush is behind a curtain? [/b]
Bush IS a curtain. ("My Pet Goat" stands behind it.)

But there's good news from my childhood. I learned from Monty Hall. When faced with a choice between a box and a curtain, ALWAYS take the curtain. (the best you ever do with a box is a washer and dryer. )

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#881966 - 07/14/04 01:47 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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 Quote:
Originally posted by shantinik:
...there's good news... [/b]
I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico. \:D
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#881967 - 07/14/04 01:47 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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But none of those examples claim to be more than entertainment.

 Quote:
Originally posted by shantinik:
For the same reason folks listen to Hannity and O'Reilly and all those other Murdoch-brownosers on Fox Gnus, or are consumed by "The Passion".

(makes for good, wholesome entertainment.) [/b]
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#881968 - 07/14/04 01:52 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Improviso:
 Quote:
Originally posted by shantinik:
...there's good news... [/b]
I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico. \:D [/b]
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#881969 - 07/14/04 01:55 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
shantinik Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by ny1911:
But none of those examples claim to be more than entertainment.

 Quote:
Originally posted by shantinik:
or are consumed by "The Passion".
[/b]
[/b]
Yep, just another R-rated sado-masochism film, complete with whips'n'chains. Hey, there might be gnu outlets!

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#881970 - 07/14/04 02:03 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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Spin and dodge, spin and dodge...
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#881971 - 07/14/04 03:29 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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 Quote:
Originally posted by bcarey:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Steve Miller:
How come the right-wingers never make documentaries? [/b]
Documentaties are supposed to be truthful. ;\)

They have nothing to document. It's all classified. Until they need it to prove a point. \:D [/b]
HA
\:D And not before they have had a chance to the edit the document with the black marker!

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#881972 - 07/14/04 04:01 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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SRA II 153, my friend, SRA II 153.

My Pet Goat, over and out.

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#881973 - 07/14/04 04:03 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
ny1911 Offline
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Are you just trying to get to 4000?
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#881974 - 07/14/04 04:14 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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Hold on there, left-wingers make documentaries about right-wingers. A pack of lies, made by a fat man, but they call them documentaries so they must be.

The right-wingers would therefore have to make a documentary about left-wingers. And, surprise, they can make a truthful one! But that presents a bit of a problem. A documentary about Clinton would get an X-rating. Right-wingers would never stoop to the level of Whoopi Goldberg and make such a documentary.

Oh yeah, I forgot, Cheney said the F word on the Senate floor. And he used it as a verb. Maybe they can make the Clinton documentary after all. Hope they find better looking women then Clinton scrounged up.

Derick
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#881975 - 07/14/04 04:41 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
shantinik Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by ny1911:
Are you just trying to get to 4000? [/b]
No, I've cracked the secret code. The Prez is smarter than I thought. (Don't let Tom Ridge know. )

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#881976 - 07/14/04 04:47 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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 Quote:
Originally posted by shantinik:
No, I've cracked. ) [/b]
(Practicing Michael Moore techniques)
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#881977 - 07/14/04 05:10 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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 Quote:
Originally posted by shantinik:
No, I've cracked [/b]
must mean you're a nut. ;\)
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#881978 - 07/14/04 05:45 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Derick:
Hold on there, left-wingers make documentaries about right-wingers. A pack of lies, made by a fat man, but they call them documentaries so they must be.

The right-wingers would therefore have to make a documentary about left-wingers. And, surprise, they can make a truthful one! But that presents a bit of a problem. A documentary about Clinton would get an X-rating. Right-wingers would never stoop to the level of Whoopi Goldberg and make such a documentary.

Oh yeah, I forgot, Cheney said the F word on the Senate floor. And he used it as a verb. Maybe they can make the Clinton documentary after all. Hope they find better looking women then Clinton scrounged up.

Derick [/b]
Derick,

Sorry to burst your bubble but Moore does not call his film a documentary. He says it's his opinion, nothing more and nothing less. Take it for what it offers. Draw your own conclusions.

Typical of "right wingers", if all else fails, invoke Clinton. Hey! Who cares if the majority of the country would like to see Clinton at the helm right now. At least he was smart enough to know the difference between which end was up or down, or which end to tell someone it could logically be put it in.

Agree with the looks of the women Clinton scrounged up. They are just plain ugly.

That said, I'm still waiting to hear from the moral majority on Cheney's use or mis-use of the Fxxx word.

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#881979 - 07/14/04 07:13 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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Sorry to burst your bubble but Moore does not call his film a documentary. He says it's his opinion, nothing more and nothing less. Take it for what it offers. Draw your own conclusions.[/b]

From Michael Moore's website:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php

I quote the first paragraph:

Friends,

Where do I begin? This past week has knocked me for a loop. "Fahrenheit 9/11," the #1 movie in the country, the largest grossing documentary[/b] ever. My head is spinning. Didn't we just lose our distributor 8 weeks ago? Did Karl Rove really fail to stop this? Is Bush packing?


Now what was that again?
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#881980 - 07/14/04 07:15 PM Re: "OUTFOXED" The Right Elite Under Attack In Another Documentary
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I don't like Cheney at all.

That said, I don't know what the big f'ing deal is over the use of the f word (a little joke). But seriously, I don't get the big deal over it. Lehey attacks his character and then wants to be buddies. I'd tell him to f himself as well. Moreover, he admitted he said it unlike Mr. Clinton. Did you ever wonder what words Clinton used with Monica in the Oval Office?

Derick
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