http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/02/23/pope.book.reut/index.html

Blah Blah Blah.
Sigh.

Are you part of the ideology of evil?

Am I the only one for whom the word 'evil' has been forever ruined? For at least the last 3 years, I haven't been able to use the word without irony.

Oh come on Kenny! You know you chose to be gay

Somehow I don't think that the decline and eventual collapse of society will have much to do with homosexuality or abortion.

Perhaps an angry asian with nuclear weapons or a couple of generations addicted to drugs might be a better place to focus on.

Ah yes, more love and acceptance from the emissary of god's wishes.

So lovely that the catholic church wont let a man join in loving union with another man, but if a man rapes a boy, well, they'll keep him ordained, and move him to another parish to protect him.

God must want it that way.

hear! hear! tcmod.

One guy thinks so.
Lots of people automatically agree with this particular guy.
Surreal.

Oh Hell.
I give up.
I'm gonna just rob some banks today, join a terrorist cell, rape some grandmothers (opps, I mean grandfathers) and eat some dirt and die.

Funny, the pope didn't mention his little problem with his priests?
Protecting child molesters seems kinda evil to me.
But who am I?

This Pope has long outlived his usefulness.

kenny, it's not going to happen overnight.

If you want to know why I had a problem with you a long time ago it's because I frankly can no longer stand seeing the anti-gay postings here on PW. And everytime you posted your attitudes about the issue, i'd see the same kind of replies come slithering out.

The corker of all corkers was when someone suggested you should practice abstention to avoid sinning. You know, avoid consummating your love so that these sexual neurotics can validate their own wretched ignorance.

They drove me away from PW once. I'm now immune to them... I think. But I certainly don't blame you for still become agitated over them. What can I say?

In fact, as I think back on the rage I felt at their postings, I think I'll simply just disappear again for good because I'm feeling that rage again.

Maybe Frank should start a new forum called "Knuckle-dragging Troglyodytes" for the social dinosaurs? That way we can have our coffee in peace!

And after 133 posts you certainly deserve that!

Music:
It might be prudent for you to take a break as you say if it's true that while being immune to people's words you still feel rage. That seems to me to be some sort of uncontrollable rage.

Fortunately, the most obnoxious offenders are not currently active here. But may return before long. In which case, I may be right behind you at the exit. Life is way too short to pollute it with the lip and hot air of such people. The ignorance I can tolerate, but the belligerent, obnoxious mouths are insufferable.

The scariest part is how rampant such attitudes are in our society. Leaving a forum hardly eliminates the pollution from one's life. its on the tv, in the paper, at the water cooler.

Crazy world.

Then please don't let the door hit you in the butt.

I read the article as cited.

I find I agree with the major thrust of the book, that Evil walks the face of this earth, and sometimes masks itself under the banner of rationalization.

Sid,

As quickly as I flared up, I settled back down. No, I'm not going to let these jokers drive me away from a place I enjoy.

In real life, one can practice selective avoidance. Actually I've learned to do that with a few people here already. So I'll just extend it to several more. Quite simple really.

KB, you seem like a nice guy. At least you don't practice the all too transparent pseudo-macho carp some others here wallow in. But please try to avoid diagnosing people you only know online. It really makes you look silly.

And sometimes under the banner of religion.

As a famous guy once said:

"By their fruits ye shall know them."

It has. Religion has often been used for the purposes of evil.

In this case, however, the Pope is speaking out about abortion, which is a murder of conveniance, and gay marriage, which is the secular murder of a God-given gift.

To decry murder is not evil, is it?

It is when there is no murder. Your calling gay marraige any sort of murder is merely your opinion. And one I find idiotic. And to villefy people over your (and the pope's) heinous misconception (yes, merely my opinion) is indeed evil.

Would that the same position of moral certitude were afforded those who view war as murder.

Kenny. May I ask you a serious question for a moment?
Are you *really* concerned about what the pope thinks?

Yes
He's influential.
It affects me.

There are other influencial religious leaders Kenny, and not all would call you evil (though I don't think the Pope is calling you evil either).

Hey, I'm influencial, and I think you're a great guy...

In the matter of gay marriage, I must be awash in a sea of idiocy, as the majority oppose such an institution in this country, even within most of the "enlitened" areas.

As for villifying people, the Pope, nor I, did any such thing. I said the institution of gay marriage is evil. I said abortion is evil.

This a matter of right, and wrong. It is not a matter of individual castigation, as posed.

Is any death in a just war murder?

Such obfuscation is irrelevant. My observation stands. Until there is uniform agreement on an unequivocal definition of murder, there will be no agreement on abortion nor on war.

Amen.

Good call changing the title of the thread... it wasn't bringing nearly enough hits the way it was.

I would be very concerned if I were Kenny. Let's just take a very crazy scenario in which the pope, any pope, calls for the widespread extermination of all homosexuals. There are a lot of serious Catholics that might do exactly as told if they believe this is the will of God. Granted nothing like this has ever happened in the past...but it could. (yes I am aware of a certain time of history, just kidding)

Is that crazy scenario a real possibility?

I share my country with more than just a few religous extremists in possession of some dangerous views about women and their place in society. They don't concern me in the slightest and - strange as this may seem - I believe my lack of concern makes a positive contribution in opposing them. If you were to let the barmy rantings of every fruit and nut on the planet affect your day to day life what sort of life would you lead?

Yes, the majority do oppose it, which I was shocked to discover at the last election. But since when does majority opinion mean anything real. there was a time when most people on the planet believed in witches and sorcery. I guess they must have existed back then, huh? In other words, yes, a sea of idiocy would be my estimation.

Right and wrong? I still have yet to see ANYONE ever demonstrate how gay marraige or homosexuality is "wrong". Could you demonstrate that for me? Without referencing what you think your god wants. I have yet to see how gay marraige has ever hurt or ever will hurt anyone or anything. I would think after all this debate, something real would have surfaced by now.