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#918352 - 04/04/06 12:37 PM
what`s "n.d."?
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I`m wondering if sombody could help me out with this abbreviation: n.d. as in the sentence: Eastern Counties Newspapers, n.d.:7. Clearly some reference, but what does n.d. stand for?
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#918353 - 04/04/06 12:52 PM
Re: what`s "n.d."?
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Without further context, and just based on what information you give, this sounds like it means "non-daily," that is, a newspaper that is not printed daily, but rather: weekly, or twice a week, etc. So, this seems to mean that there are seven non-daily newspapers in the eastern counties that are being referred to.
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#918354 - 04/04/06 01:04 PM
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maybe "no date"? Doesn't sound very logical..
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#918355 - 04/04/06 01:09 PM
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Let me quote the whole sentence: In their 'Guide for Journalists', Eastern Counties Newspapers(ECN, n.d.: 7) proclaim:'Our papers are independent of all political parties and must be seen to be impartial and unbiased.' Eastern Counties Newspapers is a news group in England, the quote is about their editorial policy. "n.d." refers to some kind of document issued by the group for its staff. This is not to be understood separately, it clearly refers to ALL the newspapers in the group. The number could refer to the page, but why n.d.? Beats me completely.
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#918356 - 04/04/06 01:21 PM
Re: what`s "n.d."?
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With this additional information, and without further context, this still seems to mean "non-daily." That is, ECN is a group of seven newspapers, all of them non-dailies. (If a newspaper is truly impartial and unbiased and independent of political influences, then it would have to be one of the smaller non-dailies. The big daily newspapers are all heavily biased and politically influenced.)
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#918357 - 04/04/06 01:39 PM
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"no date"? Well, it DOES make sense! I`ve just checked their website: they publish four daily newspapers.
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#918358 - 04/04/06 10:07 PM
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It's difficult to tell without the full context in which this appears. "No date," or "not dated," is a possibility, but from what information you've given, this doesn't seem to fit the context that well. "New(s) document" might be possible: a reference to a word processor document file on which this was originally typed, with the identifying number 7; or this could be the approximate UK equivalent of the US term, "internal memo," a publication (identified by the number 7) for use within the organization itself, on which a draft of this advertisment originally appeared; or this might identify this as an ECN non-news publication (books, pamphlets, etc.), which has the identifying number 7.
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#918359 - 04/06/06 08:05 AM
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Thanks a lot Gyro. It does indeed seem to refer to some kind of memo (that`s what I first thought), but the number most likely refers to the page number. The other quote in the book with 'n.d.'is as follows: "[...] A good story does not need to be dressed up or overwritten. The facts will speak for themselves.(ECN, n.d.:13)." This clearly indicates we are dealing with one document whose page (part?, issue?) numbers are given. Surely, it would be best to get the explanation from the horse`s mouth, the publisher, but they don`t bother to reply to queries.
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#918360 - 04/06/06 12:01 PM
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If this is a book, is there some kind of bibliography somewhere in it with a list of references? If so, then these sound sort of like footnote-type references to a bibliography-- or something similar--with "n.d." being the initials of someone whose work is cited. And then the numbers would be page numbers. Or, if the items in the bibliography are listed numerically, then this would identify the item in the list--for example, if the book itself were written by someone with the initials "n.d.", then somewhere in the book there might be a list of articles or publications written by him, and then the numbers would refer to numbered items in that list.
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#918361 - 04/06/06 12:43 PM
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If the "n.d.'s" only occur in association with quotations, then this almost surely marks them as footnotes to some type of bibliography. Is there a name with the initials "n.d." anywhere in the book? And if so, is there a list of articles or publications somewhere? Then there would be some kind of correlation between that name and the list.
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#918362 - 04/10/06 01:28 PM
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I`ve just got the reply from the publisher. "n.d." stands for NO DATE.
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