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#94448 - 08/18/07 06:35 PM Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions
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I have been offered a Tadashi Grand Piano (6' 2")that is about 22 years old. (1986)

What is the quality of "Tadashi" brand? I heard that they may go under the name Atlas and went out of business. I really like Yamaha and Kawai Grands, what do you think would be a reasonable price for this grand? It is in mint condition.

Also, any and all opinions are appreciated. Thanks!

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#94449 - 08/18/07 09:37 PM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions
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Junk. Pass on it.
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#94450 - 08/18/07 10:14 PM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions
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Are you sure curry? It sounds and plays exactly like a Yamaha. The build quality is good aswell, and the action is very responsive, with a deep, growling bass.

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#94451 - 08/19/07 01:32 AM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions
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My experience with the Tadashi brand piano only has to do with their uprights. I had their largest upright for many years. It was indeed made by the Atlas Piano Co, which was located in Hamamatsu, Japan. They went out of business some time in the late 80's. From what I remember when doing research on the Tadashi, their grand pianos were pretty good in quality. The bass on my 52" upright was excellent. Some of their uprights though had problems in the treble area, and mine was one of those. I always felt it had an issue with a lack of good sustain in the upper treble, ie the 5th, 6th and 7th octaves, (the "killer" octaves) however I did not read anything about this type of problem in their Grands. I would have it checked out by a piano tech before you buy it.

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#94452 - 08/19/07 01:45 AM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions
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Here is more info I just found on the Web about the Tadashi Piano:


TADASHI PIANO CORPORATION

A young, progressive company, Tadashi has combined the superior technical resources of Japan with a classically based understanding of the professional musician's demands. Left behind are the outdated and immature tonal attitudes of the current Japanese products, which have been replaced with a piano capable of emulating the sound of the great European instruments. In the past, the Japanese insisted on the adoption of their own concept of tone if the buyer was interested in the benefits of Japan's technical superiority. Tadashi recognizes the superiority of its Japanese technology but is able to admit that Europeans are the masters of tone. This marriage of philosophies creates a piano line that compete in price and quality with the Japanese and yet has the sound of the great pianos which cost twice as much.

The Tadashi piano, known to some under the "Atlas" name, was the first piano in Japan to receive the U.S. seal. In its long history of development, it used the resources of the Shizimoka School of Acoustics and the Tokyo Conservatory of Music for tonal research and acceptability to the musician. This well-thought-out instrument is being marketed very conservatively under the auspices of President Rimas, a former concert pianist.

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#94453 - 08/19/07 03:13 AM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions
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The secretary at our school has a Tadashi grand and I played it at the Christmas Party this last year. They had bought it back in the '80s in Houston. It played okay and reminded me of Japanese pianos of the 70's-80's.
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#94454 - 08/19/07 11:08 AM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions
Juan Ramirez Offline
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I do indeed like the bass alot. Not as much as a Yamaha bass, but still.

The treble is what I really like because it is mellowed yet still singing. It does not pierce like a Yamaha treble would.

What do you guys think would be a fair price for a 6' 2" grand?

Thanks for all your help!

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#94455 - 08/19/07 03:27 PM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions
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I had sold a few "Tadashi" /Atlas pianos in the 80's. Tadashi was a Canadian company. Previously, they brought out the 'Stegler' (Samick) piano and lost that when Samick began to distribute their own. The Japanese Tadashi's were made by Atlas and in my opinion, the highest quality Japanese piano in its day. It used wooden action rails and was built more expensively and traditionally then its counterparts. Have it checked out by a tech, and pay 40% less than if it said 'Yamaha' on it if it's ok. Later, when the yen skyrocketed, that started to use the Tadashi name on Indonesian and other lower quality pianos, so make sure it's a Japanese Tadashi.

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#94456 - 08/19/07 04:06 PM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions
Juan Ramirez Offline
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I have been offered the piano at $5600 incl. delivery and free tuning. It has also been regulated and comes with a 2yr parts and labor warranty.

The Yamaha C3, which is the comparable 6' 1" Yamaha grand to this, has been offered at $12,500, out of my price range.

Do you think its a good deal? I may be able to bargain with the dealer.

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#94457 - 08/19/07 05:52 PM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Juan Ramirez:
I have been offered the piano at $5600 incl. delivery and free tuning. It has also been regulated and comes with a 2yr parts and labor warranty.

The Yamaha C3, which is the comparable 6' 1" Yamaha grand to this, has been offered at $12,500, out of my price range.

Do you think its a good deal? I may be able to bargain with the dealer. [/b]
Have it checked out, and if you like the tone, the touch and the dynamic range, offer $4800, and ask for a 5 year pinblock/bridge warranty. You may get it.

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#94458 - 08/19/07 08:25 PM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions
Juan Ramirez Offline
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Alright

Would $4800 be a killer deal? What would you guys consider a steal of a deal for this piano to be? I thought $5600 would be a steal of a deal considering it is in completely new condition with no defects or dings or marks, and it comes with delivery, free tuning, and bench.

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#94459 - 08/20/07 01:41 PM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Juan Ramirez:
Alright

Would $4800 be a killer deal? What would you guys consider a steal of a deal for this piano to be? I thought $5600 would be a steal of a deal considering it is in completely new condition with no defects or dings or marks, and it comes with delivery, free tuning, and bench. [/b]
Hi Juan:

Forget 'killer deal'. If you like the piano, and it's in your price range, and it checks out with a tech, it's a lot of piano for the money.

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#94460 - 08/21/07 01:21 AM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions
Juan Ramirez Offline
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Alright, I'm going to go to barter with the dealer, we will see how it pans out.

Thanks for all the help, and any more opinions are greatly needed \:\)

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#1780490 - 10/31/11 12:52 PM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions [Re: Juan Ramirez]
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Mr. Fiore (AKA "curry")with all due respect, obviously doesn't know what the definition of "junk" is when talking about pianos. I had the TADASHI Piano Dealership in Washington State in 1986, I also had an EVERETT Piano Dealership (by YAMAHA)and a successful piano rebuilding and refinishing shop ... so I definately have a little different perspective on the subject of what is "junk" and what isn't. My personal piano is a Steinway Model O for "professional reasons" only, but I'd recommend a 6' 2" TADASHI over the Steinway any day ... and at any price.

In the late 1980's, TADASHI Pianos were by far the best off-shore pianos availble in the USA. TADASHI'S parent company, Brother Industries, Ltd., of Nagoya, Japan, a multi-national /mulit-billion dollar conglomerate, started in 1908 and is better known for manufacturing some of Japan's finest (and most expensive) sewing machines, office equipment and CNC machine tools. However, TADASHI Pianos attention to quality was nothing less than astounding. If you owned a YAMAHA or KAWAI piano in Japan in the late 80's .... so what. If you owned a TADASHI Piano .... you had "arrived".

I regret that I didn't see this post earlier .... I hope you bought that TADASHI piano right away, beacuse if you passed on it in favor of a YAMAHA ... then you've been duped.


Edited by Rusty356 (10/31/11 01:01 PM)
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#1998474 - 12/12/12 04:49 PM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions [Re: Juan Ramirez]
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hello,
I want to buy a grand piano Tadashi of 165cm, I sell good value and I need to know if is japanese or no, and if a quality piano like Yamaha or Kawai. Its serial number is 3045574 and looking at the atlas pierce piano Atlas ,I see a mistake, and would not generate a number and i don't know date of manufacture.
Sorry for my bad English
Thanks

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#1998732 - 12/13/12 02:03 AM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions [Re: Juan Ramirez]
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Help please

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#1998836 - 12/13/12 09:50 AM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions [Re: Juan Ramirez]
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#2017905 - 01/20/13 03:37 PM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions [Re: Juan Ramirez]
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Thanks


Edited by moy12 (02/09/14 04:01 AM)

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#2017935 - 01/20/13 04:37 PM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions [Re: Steve Jackson]
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Quote:
Originally posted by Juan Ramirez:
Alright

Would $4800 be a killer deal? What would you guys consider a steal of a deal for this piano to be? I thought $5600 would be a steal of a deal considering it is in completely new condition with no defects or dings or marks, and it comes with delivery, free tuning, and bench.
Hi Juan:

Forget 'killer deal'. If you like the piano, and it's in your price range, and it checks out with a tech, it's a lot of piano for the money.

Steve
Exactly. Buy the piano and not the deal.

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#2017998 - 01/20/13 07:15 PM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions [Re: Juan Ramirez]
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Originally Posted By: Juan Ramirez
Alright, I'm going to go to barter with the dealer, we will see how it pans out.

Thanks for all the help, and any more opinions are greatly needed smile


This was Juan's final post on this particular thread - dated August 2007.

On another thread in September 2007 - he mentioned that he ultimately paid $3,200 for the Tadashi. Apparently he got his killer deal. We've not heard from him since. grin



Edited by carey (01/20/13 07:17 PM)
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#2018038 - 01/20/13 08:44 PM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions [Re: Juan Ramirez]
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I guess the deal killed him!
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#2018235 - 01/21/13 09:05 AM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions [Re: Juan Ramirez]
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thanks


Edited by moy12 (02/09/14 04:03 AM)

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#2018434 - 01/21/13 01:58 PM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions [Re: Juan Ramirez]
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Anyone??

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#2018450 - 01/21/13 02:23 PM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions [Re: Juan Ramirez]
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I tried searching on the internet as well and came up with very little -

HOWEVER - I did find this prior Piano World thread......

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...y%20or%20n.html
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#2018550 - 01/21/13 06:15 PM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions [Re: carey]
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Originally Posted By: carey
I tried searching on the internet as well and came up with very little -

HOWEVER - I did find this prior Piano World thread......

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...y%20or%20n.html





Edited by moy12 (02/09/14 04:04 AM)

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#2018727 - 01/22/13 12:58 AM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions [Re: sistimorgan]
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Originally Posted By: moy12
Originally Posted By: carey
I tried searching on the internet as well and came up with very little -

HOWEVER - I did find this prior Piano World thread......

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...y%20or%20n.html



thank you very much for your help. this site and I had read but little help. On my piano has that label Made in Korea under, in a bar structure, does that mean you can be manufactured by Samick or Young Chang?, Since these are the only brands that manufacture in that country. I do not understand that its soundboard say made in japan and elsewhere made in korea.


Take another look at one of the posts from the thread I referred you to.

"Tadashi's were made in Japan in the 1970's, and first sold in the US as Atlas, but they ran into trademark problems, so they sold them as Tadashi (they remained Atlas in Japan, which created the interesting case where the piano sold under a Japanese name in the US and a US name in Japan). In the 80's the company tried to stay competitive/relevant by relocating production to Taiwan, and then Canada. It didn't work out, and they went under in '87. An importer revived the name with a half Japanese, half Korean piano-that didn't work either."

Also - Larry Fine's Piano Book from 2001 contains the following statement: Tadashi "went out of business in 1987 Several years later, the Tadashi name was revived by an American importer who, using the Tadashi name and piano design under license, had the piano made partly in Japan (but not by Atlas) and partly in Korea. The idea didn't exactly catch on, and the name is not presently being used."

This most likely explains the origin of YOUR piano - and the reason for the "Made in Korea" label on it.
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#2018889 - 01/22/13 09:37 AM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions [Re: carey]
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thank you very much Carey!


Edited by moy12 (02/09/14 04:06 AM)

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#2018913 - 01/22/13 10:15 AM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions [Re: Juan Ramirez]
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The amount you paid was probably fine. You can try to post photos, but I doubt that anyone here can tell you where the action was built. It really doesn't make much difference. As long as the piano is in good condition - and as long as you like and enjoy playing it - that's really all that matters !!!
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#2020928 - 01/25/13 06:01 AM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions [Re: Juan Ramirez]
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Thanks, .


Edited by moy12 (02/09/14 04:07 AM)

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#2021054 - 01/25/13 10:57 AM Re: Tadashi / Atlas Grand Piano Quality and Opinions [Re: sistimorgan]
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Originally Posted By: moy12
Thanks, . This information has been very helpful!!
I will put some pictures of my piano tadashi, How do I do?


This might help.......

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...tml#Post1945071
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