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#945159 - 01/15/08 08:52 PM Interview with a piano teacher
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I thought this was an interesting interview with a piano teacher at USC. He seems a bit intimidating. Don't know if I'd feel comfortable with a teacher like this. Interesting what he had to say, nonetheless.

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#945160 - 01/15/08 09:19 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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Oh wow! My favourite quote was "I'm not there to help you practise."

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#945161 - 01/15/08 10:47 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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Sort of seems like my kind of teacher. I do better under teachers that yell at me.
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#945162 - 01/16/08 02:21 AM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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Thanks for posting that. He was my teacher's teacher. Based on his comments on integrated practice, he sure doesn't sound like someone who believes in practicing hands separate. LOL!
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#945163 - 01/16/08 02:47 AM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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Oh wow! My favourite quote was "I'm not there to help you practise." [/b]
Much of what he says you'd take with a pinch of salt. Circumstances, even for him, will differ from lesson to lesson. Yes, those who reach a high enough level to become his students will have the imagination to know how to practice. Others, especially the young, will need help with this.

Thanks for posting Akira.
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#945164 - 01/16/08 03:00 AM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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Daniel Pollack has a history of annual clinics in Olympia WA that I would like to ask performers and piano teachers if they have attended these in the past.

I could do a little more web search and get some info, but I'd like to know a little first hand feedback if possible.

I've been in Washington State since 1981, and a member of MTNA since then, and I was not aware of his long term teaching here.

Thanks for any background and feedback!

Thank you for posting about Daniel Pollack, Akira.

Betty

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#945165 - 01/16/08 09:35 AM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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I thought he had a good many things to say about teaching, actually. His comment about practicing made sense in the context that by that point, the student should already know how to practice. It is the job of private teachers- ones with beginner and intermediate students- to teach them how to practice, and progress practice techniques through advanced repertoire. I like his comment about being more than just a teacher, but being a mentor, and friend, a psychologist, etc. How true that is! I'd be very interested to hear him do a master class to see what exactly he does, because that's what matters more than what he says.
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#945166 - 01/16/08 12:13 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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I've played in masterclass for him before. Very smart man, a bit ambigious though. He did however, seem to be in a bad mood in this particular interview.

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#945167 - 01/16/08 05:41 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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He is a coach strictly for advanced level players. He isn't friendly, he's dogmatic, and he takes it so seriously.

Many more clips with him:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Daniel+Pollack&search=Search
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#945168 - 01/17/08 02:01 AM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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I observed a master class with him. He is very articulate and persuasive. He quoted his own teacher, Mme. Lhevinne, in many instances. It's been several years, but I still remember MANY things he said from that master class, and I've appropriated his words in my own teaching: Just this morning, I told my choir to sustain the melody line and make it not "sag"; I told my other class to sing with dark "round" tone--two of the many words I frequently borrowed from Mr. Pollack. He is very inspiring. Too bad he charges too much for private lessons, or else I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to have him teach me piano.
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#945169 - 01/17/08 03:26 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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I've played in masterclass for him before. Very smart man, a bit ambigious though. He did however, seem to be in a bad mood in this particular interview. [/b]
He didn't give off the impression to me that he was in a bad mood. I just took his demeanor as someone who is serious about what they do and has certain convictions.
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#945170 - 01/17/08 04:32 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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He isn't friendly
Right after I forwarded that link to my teacher who studied with him at USC, I got a lightning-fast and terse reply from him saying he wasn't interested in him at all, had "no respect" for him as a person, and that he was an "awful person." He didn't say anything at all about his teaching.
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#945171 - 01/17/08 04:33 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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Too bad he charges too much for private lessons, or else I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to have him teach me piano.
Do you know what his hourly rate is? Just curious.
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#945172 - 01/17/08 04:44 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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Originally posted by rintincop:
He isn't friendly
Right after I forwarded that link to my teacher who studied with him at USC, I got a lightning-fast and terse reply from him saying he wasn't interested in him at all, had "no respect" for him as a person, and that he was an "awful person." He didn't say anything at all about his teaching. [/b]
Unfortunately, people in the music world aren't often the nicest, and they can hold grudges. It happens to the best of people, so I don't really take one person's reaction as necessarily meaning anything, no offense. Just without knowing the particulars, I'd rather not judge either way.
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#945173 - 01/17/08 05:26 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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if he were my teacher for 1 day, either i quit or he quits me after that lesson... it's just too scary. he's for advanced students, which i'm not.

but it's interesting to hear the teaching philosophy from a teacher like that.

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#945174 - 01/17/08 05:26 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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I don't know...having grown up in the musical scene of L.A, from what I know and hear, his reputation is not particularly high. I don't like his playing, and very recently a friend of mine went to play for him and he charged her 350$ for 45 minutes, and refused to make any critique on her playing, good or bad. I played the 4th Ballade for him a while back in a masterclass at the Colburn School when I was a senior in high school, and to be honest I don't remember much about what he said - I remember not actually understanding a lot of what he was talking about, and, while he was not terribly mean or strict, I do get the impression that he's not very genuine, and is - contrary to what he says in the video - quite frustrated indeed with the way his career turned out.

Then again, this is speculation, I have never actually studied with him for a long period, so I could be wrong.

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#945175 - 01/17/08 05:27 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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Unfortunately, people in the music world aren't often the nicest, and they can hold grudges.
Maybe it's more a piano/classical music thing. ;\)
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#945176 - 01/17/08 05:30 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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ignore this \:\)
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#945177 - 01/17/08 05:32 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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Wow...$350 for 45 minutes? That seems like something I'd pay for a lesson with Horowitz or something. I've never heard his playing, and that is a big part of what matters in the advanced level. Of course, the other part is what he can do as a teacher and facilitator. Sounds like you didn't learn much, nor did your friend.

**edited to add: Does anyone know what famous pianists have come from his studio? Certainly when someone has made a name for themselves at a good school, they'll get a lot of the most talented people out there by default. But if they can consistently produce excellent pianists, then that counts for something. Proof is in the puddin'! \:D
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#945178 - 01/17/08 05:35 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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Originally posted by Morodiene:
Unfortunately, people in the music world aren't often the nicest, and they can hold grudges.
Maybe it's more a piano/classical music thing. ;\) [/b]
Could be, although I knew some real jerks in the jazz world too (and was a personal victim in the vocal world). I attribute it more to the "diva" mentality that some musicians have. It really gives the rest of us hard working nice people a bad name!
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#945179 - 01/17/08 06:17 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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Unimpressive.

I tend to measure pianists like that by using the name-drop ratio. In other words, the number of interesting ideas divided by the number of times they have to drop their teacher's name.

Some people can get away with it. A colleague of Pollack's at USC often mentions Ms. Genhart and Mr. Mannheimer, but it's usually because he's giving them credit for a particularly brilliant idea he doesn't want to usurp.
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#945180 - 01/17/08 07:30 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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Too bad he charges too much for private lessons, or else I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to have him teach me piano.
Do you know what his hourly rate is? Just curious. [/b]
I asked him after the master class, and he said he charges $300 per hour. That was several years ago. He may have raised his rates.

I once studied with another big-name professor who charged me $150 per hour. I could afford only a handful of lessons with him.
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#945181 - 01/18/08 05:13 AM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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I don't know...having grown up in the musical scene of L.A, from what I know and hear, his reputation is not particularly high. I don't like his playing, and very recently a friend of mine went to play for him and he charged her 350$ for 45 minutes, and refused to make any critique on her playing, good or bad.[/b] I played the 4th Ballade for him a while back in a masterclass at the Colburn School when I was a senior in high school, and to be honest I don't remember much about what he said - I remember not actually understanding a lot of what he was talking about, and, while he was not terribly mean or strict, I do get the impression that he's not very genuine, and is - contrary to what he says in the video - quite frustrated indeed with the way his career turned out.

Then again, this is speculation, I have never actually studied with him for a long period, so I could be wrong. [/b]
Have you any idea what he did do for his money in that 45 mins? Also, did he show any generosity with his time?


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#945182 - 01/18/08 04:06 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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I can relate to just about any master class pianist or teacher - they always have something that offers a new insight, a new way of saying it, or things to think about. Or they demonstrate their personality and character during their presentation.

The one that turns me off most quickly is the "ego" speaking. "I", "I", "I".

Another type that turns me off is the "mumbler" as though nothing being said is very important, or "I know you've heard this all before".

I have little knowledge of Daniel Pollack, but from what I'm reading about him here, I'm even more curious about him than I was previously. I'd like to think I'd find him interesting and contributing to my knowledge.

In my lifetime, I remember two performers who I did not enjoy (not that I saw them all - but I say quite a few). One was Kris Kristopherson and group - all dressed in black standing still on the stage - barely projecting to the audience. Even though I was writing notes about the performance for review purposes, I actually could find nothing to write about. Scratch that one.

The other was Peter Serkin, with Nehru jacket and love beads. He also played remotely and therefore, I listened remotely, and have nothing to remember from that occasion.

Mind you they said not a word in teaching - but their persona's were barely present and they didn't have much to give at those particular events.

Both events were about 25 years ago. To me, non-happenings.

Why do we relate to some and not to others?

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#945183 - 01/18/08 04:44 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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Betty - projecting and remote playing in which capacity - physical presence or the playing itself? If you closed your eyes and listened without the love beads and or the black immobile figure, would the performer have given a different impression? How we present ourselves on stage physically, even what we choose to wear, does make a difference and something that we who are still learning need to become aware of.

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#945184 - 01/18/08 05:22 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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Hi, Keystring,

I don't remember the program contents, I just never settled in to any part of it. They were wearing the fad clothing for the era, and perhaps what added to this lack of impression and nothing memorable, is that I have a loss of vision discrimation at twilight with dark colored vehicles they melt into the pavement for me until they turn their lights on. Maybe this was similar. With Kris, all members had the black turtlenecks and pants, shoes, so the head was visible and the hands somewhat. It may have been a very personal idiosyncracy on my part - but that's definitely how I remember the experience, it wasn't. Neither the music nor the person(s) communicated to me. Around the same time, I saw Neil Sedaka, and Andy Gibbs and the Brothers Gibb, and those were memorable songs and sounds and the entertainers were fantastic. (This is really dating me!)

At Neil Sedaka's intermission, the piano tuner came out and tuned for about 40 minutes before going on with the program. Even that part was interesting. No one seemed to mind.

Some performers seem not to be totally aware of the audiences experience - not so much on the professional stage - but definitely in the community level of performance. (Water bottles on the stage for the band, purses, next to their chairs on the stage. Scratching, waving to friends. Adjusting clothing. You know?

This is the 'critic - presenter' in me, who thinks recitals, performances, music, should be memorable in public. And, we're all in the mix together!"

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#945185 - 01/18/08 05:33 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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Would a single lesson with a great teacher help really?

I find that in order to help a student really, you do need to know him somehow. Masterclasses and single lessons with "amazing" people (not that Pollack doesn't seem amazing) seem somewhat overated to me.

I've had a few, masterclasses and can't say I remember them vividly. Or that I went home with some deep thought in mind. I would imagine that a 45 minutes lesson must be even worst to that account.

Is it just me with such thoughts?
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#945186 - 01/18/08 06:35 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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Thanks, Betty. I imagine that if the disembodied person in black had played powerfully and well, he would have reached his audience and even make them want to close their eyes in order to hear him better. Between the crowd-waving amateur musician, and the silent statue, I think I'd prefer the statue because he's not distracting. When we perform ourselves, we have to remember that we are visible to the audience - we are not just producing sound. When I was in various choirs, great attention was paid to how you walk on, in which hand you hold the music, when you open it (everyone together), when to close your music again etc. Proper dress, facial expression, they all are part of the show.

This does get away from the theme of masterclasses, however.

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#945187 - 01/18/08 07:18 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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It's in the theme, Keystring. When you have the center stage, and you are the focal point, you must consider the listener who is participating with you. Whether it's communication in music, speaking engagements, tv camera interviews, or making introductions, or being a member of the chorus, all of what the audience sees and hears is their impression of you (singularly) and you (collectively).

If you are memorable, your speech or music is memorable, or your "act" is memorable, for all the good reasons, you will light up their lifes.

A few little missteps and you have shortened your "15 minutes of fame". (Andy Warhol).

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#945188 - 01/18/08 08:38 PM Re: Interview with a piano teacher
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Would a single lesson with a great teacher help really?

I find that in order to help a student really, you do need to know him somehow. Masterclasses and single lessons with "amazing" people (not that Pollack doesn't seem amazing) seem somewhat overated to me.

I've had a few, masterclasses and can't say I remember them vividly. Or that I went home with some deep thought in mind. I would imagine that a 45 minutes lesson must be even worst to that account.

Is it just me with such thoughts? [/b]
I would agree. Sometimes, there's not much that you can do within a master class. Many things take time to really get good results, and it seems like it's all just a bunch of "quick fixes" to satisfy the audience's need of hearing a dramatic difference.

However, I did attend one master class that was eye-opening, put on by instrument maker Keith Hill and pianist Marianne Ploger. I have yet to go to a master class that was as enlightening to the performer as it was to the audience as this was.
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