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#948602 - 10/01/05 07:50 PM Teaching leger lines --
Glyptodont Offline
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Registered: 05/19/05
Posts: 377
Loc: Wisconsin
I hope I am not out of order posting this question here.

In another thread, when a student complained they had great trouble with the notation for deep bass notes, a respondent suggested that flash cards be used to teach notes in the very deep bass. This would -- of course -- include key #1, which is an A, as well as probably the octave above.

These notes are not encountered that often.

When uncertain, I usually just write the note into my sheet music -- e.g., "C" .

As I continue playing, I find I have learned quite a few of these deep notes, including those showing six or more leger lines. (I believe a note on the sixth leger line is a D -- as I recall.)

Is it somehow "not cricket" to write in the note names for these very deep bass notes, or must one study the flash cards?

I suppose the same would go for the very high treble.

How do you address this issue with your students?

Thanks for listening--
the Glyptodont

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#948603 - 10/01/05 08:10 PM Re: Teaching leger lines --
Monica K. Offline

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I don't know if it's cricket or not, but I'm with you, Glyptodont: I write in the note names for these very high or low notes! Beats having to stop mid-stream and mutter "empty garbage before dad flips A C E G etc." But I write it in pencil, so once I know the piece well I can erase it in case anybody stops by and wants to watch me play and that way I don't embarrass myself. ;\)
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#948604 - 10/08/05 01:25 AM Re: Teaching leger lines --
John Citron Offline
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Registered: 07/15/05
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There's nothing wrong with writing out the names of notes that are way down or up on the staff. You have to remember that you don't use them very often, and most likely, the teacher didn't get that far when teaching you to read music when you first started.

Once you learn this note, you may never need to write out the name again because you'll recognize it just like you did the others by writing out their names.


#948605 - 10/08/05 07:00 PM Re: Teaching leger lines --
Mark Davidson Offline
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Registered: 06/29/04
Posts: 116
Loc: NC
Hey, you do what you have to! Write anything in the music you need to. I will say, though, that with practice - flash cards or whatever - these notes do get easier to recognize quickly. I know because I did that once, and learned them well, but then stopped practicing them, and forgot them, so now I write them in.

#948606 - 10/10/05 10:04 PM Re: Teaching leger lines --
sixover5 Offline
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Registered: 10/10/05
Posts: 1
I had this problem before, then I made some flashcards. I put thim on my website and you can find them here: Piano Skills

Unfortunately for you, I only have the trebble done so far. However bass should be done in the near future (2-3 days hopefully). Hopefully they can help!

#948607 - 10/13/05 09:15 AM Re: Teaching leger lines --
lilylady Offline
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Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 4983
Loc: boston north
Yup, it's cheating!

Sure we don't use some of them much, but I prefer learning/teaching the names, or knowledge of the chord name (which often is the bass note).

It is easy to learn the basic:
CBD, FACE which are "skips" - line to line or space to space repeated over and over.

I then teach some landmarks - Two lines up and two lines down as high C and low C.

From there the GBD, FACE can be easily figured.

I also teach "relationship", groups of notes and patterns to look for, right from the beginning. "In a row", "skips" etc. This works for leger lines as well as beginning reading. Thinking in terms of musical 'words' not single letters.

Often when they get very high or very low, the easier one is read with the 8va sign.

Hope this helps.

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