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#948768 - 12/23/07 08:15 AM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!
Morodiene Online   content
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Registered: 04/06/07
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LOL Chris! Actually, I think it is due to the fact that I'm a voice teacher. We have to be able to really listen very well to the sounds our students make so that we can help them make adjustments. Plus, I've done a bit of recording myself, and so I can hear through the issues that come from lacking a $1,000 mic and professional equipment \:\) .

This was actually quite entertaining, and like one poster commented, I'd like you to try something similar when they're all in tune. I'd be really curious to hear how they sound side by side like that.

So when do I come get my free piano? \:D :p
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#948769 - 12/23/07 05:00 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!
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Registered: 08/10/05
Posts: 17847
Loc: Lexington, Kentucky
Shucks. Wrong again. \:D

Thanks, Chris, for setting up the game. It was lots of fun, even if I didn't get a single gosh-darned piano right.
Mason & Hamlin A -- 91997
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#948770 - 12/23/07 05:19 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!
Damz Offline
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Registered: 11/19/06
Posts: 264
Loc: Montreal, Canada
Following Chris' first count, 20 persons had a shot at it and gave the following answers :

1) grand (1), upright (6), clunker (11), digital (2)
2) grand (3), upright (2), clunker (0), digital (15)
3) grand (16), upright (1), clunker (1), digital (2)
4) grand (0), upright (11), clunker (8), digital (1)

50% of the people had all 4 answers correct. 80% got the grand right and 75% guessed which was the digital. The most missed answers are for the clunker and the upright, with 55% guessing each of them right.

If I add up Chris' count, we have :

1) grand (2), upright (10), clunker (13), digital (7)
2) grand (8), upright (3), clunker (0), digital (21)
3) grand (22), upright (6), clunker (1), digital (3)
4) grand (0), upright (13), clunker (18), digital (1)

Again, most people guessed the grand and the digital correctly (phew!), with 69 and 66 percents respectively. Only 41% found out which recording was of the clunker; this statistic holds true for the upright, with both pianos having been confused for one another a lot, as made evident by many comments throughout this thread.

Prior to Chris' count and posting of the comments by his student, only 2 people out of 12 (17%) had all their guesses right, dropping the overall statistic to 38%, compared to 50% following his recap. This can be explained through the fact that having access to the comments made by his student and to the previous statistics helped the subsequent people in finding the right answers.

All in all, I think we did a pretty good job, considering the non-optimal recordings and tunings. As a whole, our ears can rest assured. Some individuals should question their need of upgrading their $1500 digital for a much more expensive grand piano, though ;-)

#948771 - 12/24/07 05:33 AM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!
Chris H. Offline
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Registered: 10/14/05
Posts: 2919
Loc: UK.
Wow Damz, thanks for those very informative statistics. That must have taken up quite a lot of your time.

Regarding the final comment about the digital vs. grand. If you want to make a good recording without lots of expensive equipment the best way would be to go direct from a digital into a recording device. I could have done that. Instead of using a mic I could've just hooked up the digital to my MD recorder but this would have sounded much, much better than the other recordings. If you have an even better digital with a really good sample of a concert grand then that would give you a near perfect result. However, what the recording can't show is the difference in feel and touch between a decent grand and a digital. Also, if you were in the room and listening live you would notice the differences much more. Much as I admire the advances made in modern digital pianos they still can't compare to a good acoustic. I wonder if this will change in the future.
Pianist and piano teacher.

#948772 - 12/27/07 11:02 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!
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Registered: 11/16/06
Posts: 3450
Loc: Western Canada
Originally posted by Chris H.:

Only one person thought it was the clunker. I know who you are, where you live and I will be coming for you \:D
Chris H, let me just that say that if a student can play 4 different pianos, and adjust to each one the way yours did, then I'd say he has an outstanding teacher! Sounds to me like you are "Outstanding"!

Now, the grand had a moment and the doctor says it'll be a few weeks before my ear totally heals from the damage. Let's just agree that your grand did have a "clunker" moment! (How soon till your tunes comes over.)

Oh, and for your information, you'll never find me cause I'm hiding somewhere under the "Witness Protection Program"! \:D
Jazz/Blues/Rock/Boogie Piano Teacher

#948773 - 12/28/07 09:11 AM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!
Chris H. Offline
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Registered: 10/14/05
Posts: 2919
Loc: UK.
Thanks for that Diane. I can't take all the credit for Ben's playing though as I was lucky enough to inherit him when he was already very good. I think all of us know that students like this are few and far between.

You did actually here some whiney notes from my grand. I hear them too and it drives me crazy. Next tuning is scheduled for the 7th of January. It would have been December but my tech could not fit me in. When the weather starts to turn in November it puts all of the pianos out of tune (except the digital of course!). I will be glad to have them done.
Pianist and piano teacher.

#948774 - 12/28/07 10:39 AM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!
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Registered: 04/12/05
Posts: 10429
Loc: Williamsburg, VA
Yippeeeee, I got 'em.

Although as many noted the choice between the Knight and the Schimmel was tough. No shame in reversing those two, though I suspect anyone actually sitting at the keyboards would be able to tell the difference by touch alone.

And I'm really glad I'm not eating my proverbial hat over the digital!
Grotrian 192 #156455


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