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#953247 - 09/21/08 04:14 PM Playing pieces from same composers
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In last 4 months, i havent play anything else except Mozart, Beethoven and Chopin.
Im wondering if this can slow down progress?
I also dont play nothing from baroque, because i dont like a single piece from this era.
Do you teachers see something wrong with playing "same" pieces all the time?

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#953248 - 09/21/08 04:17 PM Re: Playing pieces from same composers
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If the pieces are teaching you something, then I don't see a problem with it.

And even though you dislike Baroque music, Bach is an absolute must in order to build your repertoire and technique.
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#953249 - 09/21/08 05:08 PM Re: Playing pieces from same composers
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Ok, thanks for answer... They defenetly teach me something:9

About bach... what is so special about him? I rather do scales and czerny... Is Bach really that necessary?

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#953250 - 09/21/08 05:25 PM Re: Playing pieces from same composers
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Bach's music is good because it's contrapuntal, which means our job as pianists is to bring out certain elements of it while holding onto others. Playing a fugue, or even a prelude is going to stretch the brain like no other composer will because of all the multitasking you have to do.

Simply put, with Bach we develop the ability to voice and to reason harmonically. We develop finger independence and learn how to use terraced dynamics. We develop an understanding of how to play with the proper Baroque style, though that varies from person to person. We expand the brain's capacity for music itself, because there are many elements in his music that need to be looked after all at once. Different voices going at the same time, interesting harmonies, stretto or canon, counterpoint, etc. Really what it comes down to is Bach fugues are especially healthy for the developing pianist's mind and fingers because honestly, no one else could write a fugue quite like Bach.

Scales and Czerny come nowhere near the level of complexity or difficulty in a Bach work. You may only be familiar with his preludes and sinfonias at this point. I'm assuming you haven't gone into the Well Tempered Clavier just yet. That is the bread and butter of pianists worldwide. There is always something to study there, always something new to look at, because Bach's music has so many layers to it. Much like an onion, you peel a layer away only to find something else is there.
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#953251 - 09/21/08 05:37 PM Re: Playing pieces from same composers
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Thanks for constructive answer... I will try to find some his pieces that i like:)

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#953252 - 09/21/08 05:43 PM Re: Playing pieces from same composers
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Greenrain, don't forget that most of the famous composers, especially Chopin, played Bach all the time.
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#953253 - 09/21/08 05:51 PM Re: Playing pieces from same composers
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Ok, i will learn his invention number 8:)

Maybe its a little too easy, but at least im going to enjoy it, cause it's one of the not many bach pieces that i like:)

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#953254 - 09/21/08 05:53 PM Re: Playing pieces from same composers
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Good on you!

To be honest Bach's music always put me to sleep until I started performing more of it. I sang Bach, I played Bach, and then I fell in love with the fugues. It might take some time for you as well.
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#953255 - 09/21/08 06:04 PM Re: Playing pieces from same composers
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4 months is not a problem.

If you went 4 years without playing any Bach, I'd say you were ignoring some incredibly useful and musically gratifying repertoire.

But 4 months with Mozart, Beethoven, and Chopin? I'd call that time well spent!
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#953256 - 09/21/08 06:09 PM Re: Playing pieces from same composers
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Ok, i will try to include as much bach as i can:)
But i guess its nothing wrong if i mostly stick to these 3 (4)?

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#953257 - 09/21/08 07:26 PM Re: Playing pieces from same composers
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One word of caution:

If you are good enough to play any prelude or fugue in the WCT, then it doesn't matter what you play first, or when you move to the next.

However, I would suggest that students concentrate more on the preludes than the fugues, in the beginning, because the skills you learn in them are more useful *now* for playing technical sections of the music of other composers.

And some of the Three-Part Inventions or "Sinfonias" (same thing, two different names), are wonderful pieces. I don't think they are less demanding than the fugues in the WTC, because although they may may be simpler, technically, their musical demands are immense.

Here is one of my favorites, Sinfonia no. 7, Gould:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSymCRbOrsw

I prefer this played more slowly and more thoughtfully, but the performance is utterly convincing to me, and you can immediately see how neglected the sinfonias are.

Great pieces!
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