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#955998 - 05/28/08 02:51 AM How to play trills in Mozart?
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I'm getting confused...what's the proper way to execute trills in Mozart's piano works?

Most editions I own give realizations that start on the principle note. That includes my Henle Urtext editions.

Then I read somewhere that it was Hummel (Mozart's student) who started the "trend" to start trills on the principle note. Mozart himself followed the tradition of CPE Bach and played trills from the note above the principle note.

I'm really confused now.
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#955999 - 05/28/08 02:58 AM Re: How to play trills in Mozart?
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He was taught from CPE's book, so go by (buy?) that. Even JS sometimes starts from the principle note sometimes - go by ear.
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#956000 - 05/29/08 02:39 AM Re: How to play trills in Mozart?
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i generally start on the note above....
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#956001 - 05/29/08 08:42 AM Re: How to play trills in Mozart?
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I've been learning triplets for the duplets parts in K545. Sometimes they work and its easier to keep in time with the bass but sometimes I struggle to play them fast enough. Any technical aspects I might find useful? Would a composer mind a player using triplets even if its not notated?
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#956002 - 05/29/08 09:53 AM Re: How to play trills in Mozart?
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Dead composers mind nothing.
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#956003 - 05/29/08 09:59 AM Re: How to play trills in Mozart?
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I go by ear. Sometimes I start on the note, sometimes not. As long as you don't trill too fast - iirc Mozart said he didn't like very fast trills - I think it sounds fine.

Edit: Jamie, I'm sure a dead guy wouldn't mind, but you might want to try that section with a metronome, hands separately and together, and draw lines from the right hand notes straight down through the left hand notes to see where they fall.
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#956004 - 05/29/08 10:53 AM Re: How to play trills in Mozart?
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Dead composers mind nothing. [/b]
lol \:D

I just meant in a formal sense if I were to play in an exam. Whats the etiquete apart from play anything except K545. \:D
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#956005 - 05/29/08 10:56 AM Re: How to play trills in Mozart?
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You'll be marked on how well you understand the style. That will include appropriate trills.
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#956006 - 06/07/08 03:04 PM Re: How to play trills in Mozart?
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Take a look at "Ornamentation and Improvisation in Mozart" by Frederick Neumann, Princeton University Press, ISBM, 0-691-09130-7.
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#956007 - 06/09/08 02:56 AM Re: How to play trills in Mozart?
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I think it does depend on the context in many situations. It is my understanding that you start on the note above for Mozart in general. However, if they are short trills or within a quick passage, It is not possible to do a 4 note trill without it sounding to busy (say trilling on D, start E-D-E-D), and so you do a shorter 3 note trill (say in the above example, D-E-D). In those cases it depends on the sound.
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#956008 - 06/09/08 01:53 PM Re: How to play trills in Mozart?
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...and mind you don't swoon!
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